Are you in favour of an online education system?
By ronaldinu
@ronaldinu (12422)
Malta
March 31, 2010 6:08am CST
Yesterday I had a seminar about an online educational system. The school administration are considering of adopting this system for the whole school. Each teacher has to submit a profile, where he can assign work online, insert his assignment marks online and assessment marks are worked out automatically. As an ICT teacher I can see the advantages of this system. The parents can be given access to their students account and thus they can check which homeworks were done and which were not. On the negative side, the online system is taking for granted that everybody owns a computer and has an internet access at this day and age. Which I don't think it is the case. The parents monitor more closely the teacher's work and I don't like any parental interference at all. For example I sent a note to parents whose children did not do their homework. Some were grateful others were not and continued to defend their son! What do you think are the advantages/disadvantages of this system?
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
31 Mar 10
Like you, I can see pros and cons. If a student doesn't have a home computer, is the school prepared to provide one, plus internet access? And there is something to be said for personal interaction over a computerized one.
I disagree about the parental "interference." I'm sure there are parents who are hard to deal with. You're always going to come across people who are hard to deal with. But when a parent becomes more active in their child's education, that is not interference. Parents should be active when it comes to what a child is learning; after all it's their child and they have the right and responsibility to be a part of their education.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
31 Mar 10
The new system will be part and parcel of the present system. It is just a new way how to do things, inserting assessment marks online instead of doing it on a piece of paper. So students who do not have computers and internet access are not disadvantaged.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
31 Mar 10
You're the one who said, "On the negative side, the online system is taking for granted that everybody owns a computer and has an internet access at this day and age. Which I don't think it is the case." I assumed by that that students without computers would be at a disadvantage.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
31 Mar 10
Students can submit their work either online or else via the usual traditional pen and paper method. However, I do think that parents who have access to the internet can supervise more their children work, if they are handing it on time or not.
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@vinster888 (27)
• United States
31 Mar 10
I have been an internet user for as long as I can remember. There is one thing I can say for sure. There is minimal good that comes out of a person under 16 using the internet. Why? Well as a research tool, none is better. The internet is the largest library there is. All you have to do is filter through all the crap. The website designers are great at figuring out ways for the youngsters to circumvent the protections and locks. Next thing you know, kids doing things they shouldn't be doing. You say you trust your kid? Well, you should rethink that. Have you looked outside and seen what children having privacy and doing what they want gets us? As far as a college education, absolutely, the internet is good. For any lower levels like say 10th grade and lower, no way.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
31 Mar 10
Hi vinster888, I agree with you that older students should have the wisdom to filter crap from gold. But I do think that young children should be educated from young age to use the internet wisely. You can use it for educational and recreational purposes. It's the parents job to ensure that their children are engaging in educational sites and exploiting the internet for good use.
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@vinster888 (27)
• United States
31 Mar 10
I do believe it is the parents responsibility, without a doubt. I also believe it the the parents responsibility to decide what is actually for children and what is not. I see way too many minors with MA rated video games or saw the latest R rated movie before I did. I'm sorry but in no way shape or form is that acceptable in my book. I don't care how much the parent tells the kid its not real and all that. I might as well give my 10 yr old a cell phone with a text and email plan. I think not. I have way too many brain cells left for that one.
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@nilzerous1 (2434)
• India
31 Mar 10
Online system may work as a parallel system in case, students are not able to attend classes.
Nothing can replace impact of a real teacher in a classroom. Personally, during my school days and later on while I used to teach students, I found it extremely important to demonstrate before students for their proper understanding, to reiterate words and phrases to indicate its importance.
After completing my formal education, I took a CBT trial offer - online computer training. All I can say is that I really felt the absence of a real teacher.
Regarding online assessments, I think it is okay, if done within a limited extent. A student should be prepared for different aspects. A student may not get the impression that exam is something he/she can manage from home for good. Exams help them preparing for tough challenges of life as well.
Anyway, I am absolutely against the idea of giving parents access to their children's accounts. This may come in the way of development of relationship of mutual trust and respect between students and teachers. As such, before experimenting, you might consult counselors for its psychological impact on students.
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@nilzerous1 (2434)
• India
2 Apr 10
I am absolutely against the idea of giving parents access to their children's accounts:
I think this will invite more complexity in developing a good student-teacher relationship. Most parents would call teachers every now and then. Besides, students may not just find any interest, if access is granted to their parents. Plus, parents may even help them in taking online exams. Just let students decide whether to share their accounts with their parents or not.
And make a section, which will be accessible by parents. It must be different from students' section.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
2 Apr 10
I think that your suggestions must be taken in consideration as they make a lot of sense. Having a different account for parents is a good idea. Thanks for your feedback.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
Online system may work as a parallel system in case, students are not able to attend classes. Thats the aim behind our local school online educational system. it will never replace the traditional system. It is only an aid. As you have said a teacher can help a student by encouraging him, challenge him or correct bad ways in his behaviour that a computer cannot.
Anyway, I am absolutely against the idea of giving parents access to their children's accounts. I failed to understand why you are against that parents have access to their children's account. They can monitor if they have done their work or not. It's like having a school diary where the student has to write the deadline of his project/homework/assignment. Than it is up to the parents to verify if the work is done or not.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
31 Mar 10
Here are a few angles. I have taken some college course online (our local college), this worked well for me, I am not a good sleeper so I could do work in the middle of the night.
Now, my nephew failed 6th grade two years in a row (lazy, he knows the work). My sister this past year enrolled him in an online school. My sister works a lot and has another son in 3rd grade (for the 2nd time). My nephew now has all day to screw around and still not do his school work. I am not sure that this situation is helping him at all. My sister is trying to get him back in school, my daughters charter school. We all fear that if he goes to public school, he will be in a gang by the end of the week.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
31 Mar 10
Hmm so an online education system does help him get out of trouble. I do agree with you up to a certain extent. But don't you think that he need socialising, which will help him later on in life. Can he be introduced to scouts or similar social groups that might help him build a solid character?
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
31 Mar 10
People learn in different ways. I use a mixture of sight, hearing and participating. I think having a teacher to talk face to face with is important. It is far easier than doing studying through correspondence. I have experienced both ways of learning. I don't think an on-line educational education system will please everyone. Some parents go on their computer every day and will follow their child's work with interest. Not everyone owns a computer and the Interest does crash from time to time. I am a primary school teacher and so I know that some children do their homework every week. They are the ones with supportive parents. A number of children don't do their homework and typically their parents couldn't care less about it. The advantage might be a teacher could work at home instead of going to the school. He or she could put in many hours of work on the on-line educational system. The disadvantage would be some children's needs don't get met. Their work might be challenging for the teacher to monitor. I wasn't great at using computers until my second year of teaching.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
31 Mar 10
Not everyone owns a computer and the Interest does crash from time to time.
I think this is one of the shortcomings of having an online educational system. the local government introduced a system of having internet service at a subsided rate for a year only to families with low income. I don't know whether this scheme will help to increase the number of internet subscribers later on or not. Some colleagues argue that students can copy and paste each other's work. But they already do it when they hand it on pen and paper. Copying existed since Adam and Eve. Maybe the internet and computers makes things easier. I don't think that copying should stop this system from being introduced.
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@frontvisions101 (16043)
• Philippines
31 Mar 10
i'd say students will more lazy to study cuz there are a lot to find in the internet. like for instance if it's history class, they can cheat their assignments by just searching the net. plus, students will lose discipline on being on time cuz, i believe, going to school at a young age, these kids start to train on calculating their time upon ariving to school, which is essential when going to work.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
Hi Frontvisions, thanks for your feedback. I do agree with you that it can make the students more lazy. Some colleauges have commented that students can copy each other's assignments via email. Though copying still occurs with pen and paper as well
@littlefranciscan (18327)
• United States
31 Mar 10
I think the fact that Colleges already do this shows that this
can and would work if put into place.
Sometimes for children who have problems, whether disciplinary or
psychological; this would enable them to still finish their school.
It can never be the same as physically attending school; but it does
add some alternatives for those who cannot attend school.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
I do agree with you that an online can never replace the traditional system but it can be a definite aid to those who for some reason or another cannot attend school.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
1 Apr 10
Hi ronald, I really only know what you've said here but I would agree with you that everyone don't own a computer. I have no doubt that this line of education will be used effectively in the future but don't be surprised if there are a lot of kinks to be worked out first. Blessings.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
hi Pose, thanks for your reply. Yes I do think that right now in some places it might be on experimental basis but who knows whether it will be on a fuller scale in the near future! We'' ll wait and see.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
1 Apr 10
I certainly think there are pros and cons to this. An online education system is very beneficial but yet at the same time, it might be a bit of a discomfort for those whom are more inclined to traditional learning.. like giving assignments physically and being able to interact live too. But if everything is to be done online, then it might be a lost of human touch. However, it's perhaps useful for the teacher because it's less time consuming, I suppose. If it adds on to more work, then teachers might not be able to concentrate. Perhaps the parent interaction can be reduced a bit..and only students can log in. This is what I think...
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
AS you have said, an online system looses the social interaction that takes place in a normal classroom. Why are you against that parents participate in this kind of education?
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
31 Mar 10
Hi, ronaldinu!
I've heard too many of my students who are able to take what they refer to as "virtual classes" to make up credits tell me they get somebody else to do it. They also find it very easy to look up information so they can act as if they knew it.
When I've taken courses online, I've found it much too easy to be distracted, which makes the process far from optimal.
I think the interaction in classrooms is an important part of one's education...
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
I think that the virtual classroom can never replace the real one but it can be its aid. I do agree with what you have written here. Thanks for your reply!
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
1 Apr 10
hio ronaldinu yes I can also see the pros and the cons too.
It does sound good and would work maybe with a few minor'adjustments to be made. Now I also know not everybody has a computer and so
some families might be at a real disadvantage if they cannot
afford the computer and monitor they must have.
I do not blame you as the parents more than likely well know far less than the teacher. some parents cooperate with teachers as they should
and others get angry and will not cooperate at all. which must'
be a real pain in the keaster for the teachers.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
The local government had provided internet service for family with low budget income for a year. My question would be are they going to subscribe the following year. I do share your concern and I do think that poverty might be the shortcoming behind this online system. Thanks for your reply.
@Wizzywig (7847)
•
31 Mar 10
As you say, good and bad points. this would be great for children whose parents are supportive but, you will always have the ones who never check, in the same way that they never checked the book bags for notes. I presume they would only be able to access their own childs account. I think it would be great for children who were ill to be able to access missed lessons. What age range does your school cover?
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
31 Mar 10
My school covers 11-16 year olds. I do think it would be a great tool for students who are sick for some reason or another and they catch up with their work even though they have missed school. AS you have said it would be a great tool for supportive parents but you will still have the odd few who does not care at all.
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@machivado (528)
• Indonesia
31 Mar 10
To be honest I do take interest in online education..but even that's good in some ways, I can't say that online education is the best education available...School is not made just for study lessons but to become a sociable person as well. It is a very important thing to make friends and to discover even the meaning of life in friendship..Online education can't achieve that goal..and it's a very natural thing to happen..who wants to do extra homeworks? Real life, real school. That's how it is for me.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
I do agree with you that online education cannot replace the social interaction that take place between teachers and students and between students themselves. You cannot teach respect for authorities, being on time by an online education system.
@chipesterkhan (2925)
• Philippines
1 Apr 10
I study at AIDE and so far it's been working out for me.
It's not really online.
I'm working in a call center as a Supervisor and it helps me continue my education since I've always been interested in Business Administration. It's CHED Accredited and all I do is study on my off time and submit tests twice a month and take a test in their office for my finals once a month.
I wonder if there are more people who'd be interested in online/distance education as well since I feel the need to still have classmates to bounce ideas off with
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@kun2349 (23381)
• Singapore
2 Apr 10
Everything has got its own advantages and disadvantages..
ONline education is a nice idea, and it's been implemented in some schools over there already.. Alot depends on the discipline of students rather than anything else.. Even if a student were to be in school, they might opt to skip classes.. OR they might be in class, but they are not listening etc..
Thus, it does not make any difference, but only for the students themselves.. hehe
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
2 Apr 10
It has a pros and cons as you have said. The only shortcoming of this online system that I see and I have already mentioned in other parts of this discussion is that this system takes it for granted that everybody has internet and computer access. Thanks for your feedback.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
2 Apr 10
I’ve done a course online before and although I enjoyed it and my tutor and I had great communication there were times I wished I could speak to him face to face. I think that in a classroom environment a teacher can get to know his students on a different level. For example my daughter who is only eight has been having problems asserting herself with certain children at her school. Her teacher and I have discussed ways we can help her with this problem. She’s had this teacher for two years; he knows her well and has gone out of his way to prepare notes for her in regards to increasing self confidence and assertion. These are things that are not on the school curriculum and could not be learned via a computer. I agree that not everybody has access or can afford the Internet. I think that personal interaction is best.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
2 Apr 10
Hi Paula27661 I guess that online education system can never replace 100 the social interaction that takes place in a real classroom. Children learn not only from their teacher but also by mingling and learning to adapt to other situation and students. Thanks for your reply.
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@1anurag1 (3576)
• India
31 Mar 10
i think this system seems to be better in some cases if it is implemented properly. i think there will not be any discrepancy and all the reports will be available to the parents also.
i think this is really a cool thing.. may be student dont like this but overall education is not liked by them. lol
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@louierrific24 (1114)
• Philippines
1 Apr 10
Both systems has its pros and cons. The traditional classroom education gives student a more hands-on type of learning on the other hand the online education offers a faster and easier way of teaching.
In a traditional classroom setting students not just learn school smarts but they also learn the art of interaction and socialization. They learn how to deal with different kinds of people (classmates) on different kinds of situation.
In an online setting, webinars and electronic lectures are often used. The system gives the student freedom. It teaches the student the value of independence as they are taught to be self-reliant. In short, they are taught to teach themselves -- which could be good or bad depending on how the student reacted to the situation.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
I do agree with you. Students have to use self discipline in order to gain and learn from an online educational system.
@besthope44 (12123)
• India
1 Apr 10
Well i do. Online education is most easier, convinient and cheaper way of gaining knowledge in effective way. For people who stay away from cities, have to travel longer for learning. Online education have helped them so well and i really appreciate its efforts!
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
1 Apr 10
It can do a lot when there are long distances, or in case students or teachers are sick for a long period of time. Yes it does help in that way.
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
2 Apr 10
Yes it saves time and money and it can be an issue when long distances are involved (not in the case of my island).