Catholic Church Or The Disgusting Church
By gewcew23
@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
April 2, 2010 2:17pm CST
Is there anyone who finds the current action of the Catholic church as despicable as me, or do you just love the Church so much that it can do anything it wants to? Yes to the Catholic apologist, when your priest molest young deaf boys, and your current Pope protects the priest instead of the boys what do you have to say? It is interesting how I do not see that many discussion on the matter. Is it that you do not care?
One other thing, it is interesting how Muslims are encouraged to denounce act of violence in the name of Islam. Why don't we start encourage Catholic to start denouncing the criminal behavior of the church's hierarchy
If you care here is a news link,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/25/pope-us-priest-children-abuse
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18 responses
@laglen (19759)
• United States
11 Apr 10
Ron - you are absolutely right and I didnt mean to imply that ALL priests are pedophiles. Pedophilia is a mental disorder that is not curable. Barely controllable and only if the offender will admit and commit to a life time of struggle. Not all priests are pedophiles. Considering how many priests there are in the world. I did not mean to imply. I feel safe in saying that most Catholics abhor this behavior. I know plenty of people of this faith and they would never condone this behavior. My comment about who you can trust could apply to teachers, doctors, police, the list goes on. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church is in the crosshairs at this time. Good job calling us on this!
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@itsmychoice (382)
• United States
4 Apr 10
Those children were not a threat to the Catholics because they could not confess to the sins by mouth. So they think if they can't confess by mouth, it doesn't count. Therefore it is not a sin to them.
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@coolcoder (2018)
• United States
5 Apr 10
Gewcew, yes, I am proud to be a Catholic apologist, and yes, I will defend my Church and my Holy Father against hate-mongers like yourself. You apparently haven't done your homework on the entire issue, but then I didn't expect you to. What I find despicable are people like you spewing venom about something they don't have the entire story about. Go to any Catholic website (EWTN comes to mind; I posted a couple of links to some articles a couple of days ago in response to another hateful diatribe you put on here). Put down the Time and the Newsweek and the Guardian and start reading from sources that are of the Catholic persuasion, not of the liberal trash-talking persuasion.
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@snoopyfan (1312)
• United States
10 Apr 10
Hey coolcoder don't bother wasting your time with this hateful person. I have to laugh gewcew since when have you ever listed both views. Your hatred of God is so crystal clear. You do nothing but spread hate all over this board. What happened did you try to flirt with a priest and he turned you down? I have to laugh you are the most biased person I ever met. You don't listen or even attempt to learn anything new. Each time someone on here proves you wrong which is what happens 9 times out of 10 you result in childish insults. Everyone sees exactly what you are.
Awesome job coolcoder for sticking up for the church I am proud to be Catholic and don't really care what gewcew thinks. I have yet to see a interesting discussion from her. All the same nothing but hate and spiteful comments. I find EWTN a lot more credible that you will ever be gewcew. I really hope you don't have any kids to be spreading all of this hatred in the world. That would be really sad.
Are you ever happy? I don't know if you have been abused or what but you really need to see a shrink and work on all of your mental problems. I can't imagine what it is like to be so angry and bitter all of the time. How do you do it?
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
2 Apr 10
If this had of happened in any other environment, like say a male teacher playing around with his students, or a hockey coach, ANYBODY else, would have been punished, and dealt with. (rightly so) I'm thoroughly disgusted with the catholic church and the handling of these numerous cases over the years. He should have been defrocked, and handed over to the police. Him, and other child molesters should be put in jail. I don't care what their occupation is.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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2 Apr 10
I agree, the needs of the children outweigh other considerations
all the best urban
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@jennysp8 (855)
• United States
2 Apr 10
I find the whole thing disgusting. First off, the higher ups in the church don't care because it is a greedy business - not a place of god - nothing more. And for those who care to claim that it isn't a business - try explaining to me why my ninety year old great-grandmother received a letter in the mail from her Catholic church stating that she was past due with her monthly "givings" (can't think for the life of me what they call that-lol). The woman was 90!! Went to church there her whole life - just lost her husband a few months prior and she was basically going nutty. But hey, the church wanted their money and need to send a collection letter to her house.
Grrrr..okay, I shouldn't have started. Off for some coffee.
Good discussion though!! :)
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
2 Apr 10
I am not Catholic, so I can't say how the average Catholic feels about this outrage, but speaking from a less involved point of view, I must say that not only is this reprehensible from the standpoint of not acknowledging the harm to the victims nor preventing it, but the Catholic Church itself is harmed by this. They do themselves no favor to keep trying to hide what will eventually always be found out and known. If they want people to have trust and faith in them as an organization, they should put the children ahead of ANYONE else.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
2 Apr 10
The problem I am seeing is what you just said you are not a Catholic. When I read outrage, I sense these people are not Catholic. Just like with Muslim denouncing faith based terrorism, it will take Catholics them self raising up and denouncing this behavior.
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@itsmychoice (382)
• United States
4 Apr 10
The Catholics don't judge themselves or any other on the payroll, they think they are the supreme Deity and equal to God, and as such pass out all the judgments against all others. They even think they are so great that they have the members confess their sins to the priests. Catholics are the false religion as far as I am concerned. Jesus never ran bingo games, or any gambling whatsoever. Jesus actually judged the high priests at the time of his trials for money exchanging in the temple, so they had him killed. I still believe the Catholics were the high priests at that time, but were not split off yet in that denomination.
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@cyberfluf (4996)
• Netherlands
3 Apr 10
I agree that these things are terrible, but I don't believe they are limited to one or two specific religions. Unfortunatly actions like these can take place anywhere and are not restricted to your religion, culture or rase. The Catholic church has been a lot in the news lately and the same goes for muslim terrorists.
We musn't forget all the good, innocent people who have the same religion. The fact other religions get less attention nowadays doesn't mean there aren't any horrible actions taking place. We should allways be aware.
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
3 Apr 10
I am not Catholic, but those that I know who are Catholic are as disgusted as I am about the reports of priests who se*ually abuse children. What I would like to see is proof of Muslims being encouraged to report other Muslims who commit violent acts in the name of Islam. The reports of the acts of Catholic priests is now all over the news papers. The acts that are now being reported happened many years ago. That was a different time when people didn't talk about such things.
@reckon21 (3479)
• Philippines
11 Apr 10
News like this can really bring down our morals. I am a Catholic yet I did not tolerate what those cruel priest have done to those innocent deaf boys. It's something disgusting and unthinkable. Something like from a movie bust so shockingly real that I want to strangle those priest by my bare hands.
Are they nuts for doing it to the boys. Where is their fear in God. How could they act like an animal. My heart goes out for the two boys hope they can recover with their ordeal and for the priest I want them to be thrown in jail.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
5 Apr 10
Confession, repentance and forgiveness is what Christianity is all about. Don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying what the priest did was not disgusting, it was; but he confessed his sin and sought forgiveness. As it says in I John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He (God) is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us for all unrighteousness." That's why Jesus went to the cross of Calvary, so we could have forgiveness for our sins. If there was no forgiveness, what hope would anyone have?
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
7 Apr 10
The newspaper alleges that Vatican officials including the future pope declined to discipline or defrock the priest, Father Lawrence Murphy, who was a teacher at a school for deaf children in Wisconsin for 24 years and was suspected of sexually abusing up to 200 boys.
Makes one wonder what kind of people are running the Catholic Church?
@valentinesdiner (1214)
• United States
2 Apr 10
Please do not lose the great work of the Catholic Church from the pain that it's hierarchy has inflicted on so many people.
It is a painful lesson that they do not seem to have learned through the years in a headlong rush to say "that is the way we have always done things".
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
3 Apr 10
What great work would you dare set besides the literally thousands of children molested by Priests and the literally decades if not centuries the Church has spent protecting those child molesting Priests?
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@rinzgca (316)
• Philippines
3 Apr 10
It gave me goosebumps just reading this! How could they! I had heard that such things were happening. I had an idea that when priests are charged with such cases all the Church does is move them to another place. But look at that! He got moved! It's like he got a new hunting ground since he was moved to a place with children still?!
The Church should really fix themselves and their priests. They should handle such cases properly. A crime is a crime. It should be punished. All the Church is worried about it seems is its face.
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@setsuna26 (2751)
• Philippines
3 Apr 10
I have to agree it irritates me a lot when the church always have to say something with certain policies , or with regarding with how the government will implement rules, where in they cant go tame their own clergies! Its just like what christ said before you mention the dirt of your fellowmen try to look at the mirror and see if you have yours as well.
And i had it with them always telling what the state should do! Theres a reason why the church and the state were seperated! Priest can insist on morality inside church but outside the said place its still the people whom will have the last say.And they should stop meddling with politics, makes me feel so bad bout them as well
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
3 Apr 10
I know that all priests are not like this but there have been enough of them that there is no way that I would my young son to be an alter boy or any part of the church where there would be an opportunity for such things to happen. I don't practice the religion anymore but I grew up in a very Catholic family. We were at the church a lot and I don't recall any instance where the priest was alone with us long enough for anything to happen. I'm just curious as to where the parents are when all this happened or were they just so trusting they let these men alone with their kids? I caught a bit of this on the news. The fact the even the pope has a part in covering this stuff just disgusts me even further.
@AndrewFreyne (6281)
• United Kingdom
3 Apr 10
I think the actions of the Roman Catholic church are an absolute disgrace! The perpretrators should all be ashamed of themselves and they should be brought to justice. If there was any legitimacy to the Catholic Church I think that has been destroyed as a result of the latest events. Any credibility the church has has gone forever. Andrew
@machivado (528)
• Indonesia
3 Apr 10
Honestly..I don't really know anymore for what they are fighting for? What is the purpose of a religion in the first place, and how come it has come to this situation where the primary purpose is no longer important?
If it against the law then let it be under the law jurisdiction.
@kharlav (1669)
• Philippines
3 Apr 10
Oh yes, I just heard the news. I really found it disgusting and I got mad at them as I read the news. The children were really so pitiful. They claim to be so holy and religious and they claim to know so much about God. Instead of denying everything, shouldn't they be an example of righteousness? Shouldn't they be an example of humility? Why couldn't they just humble themselves, tell the truth and ask for forgiveness? And through this act of humility maybe they could act as an example to every Catholics, that it's okay to e humble and ask for forgiveness.
But no, they are so much concerned with the church. Time will come that the truth will come out. God is a just God. And He will punish those who deserves to be punished and bless those who deserves to be blessed. All I could do now is to pray for the children, may they have peace, joy and love.