Why Obama Doesn't Go To Church??????

Actually, I think he believes he's his own "god." I doubt he's really that frightened of a God he clearly doesn't believe in or respect. I think it's just another PR event. Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

Interesting maggie. What evidence do you have to support these beliefs...or is it just a feeling?

I do not want to ruffle any feathers here but I believe Maggiepie is right. I give you a big thumbs up, Maggiepie thanks for putting the way I seem not be able to--- quita

Wow, Epic! I always love how you pull no punches. Have you read my various posts, here? I just posted one about how he's a liar for his cause. I see it as no great jump to imagine he'd take Communion in a PR moment just to further his aims! Muslim or not, I think he shaves his "god" every morning... Thanks for the info, by the way, re the SS#s. Could you post a link to that? I want to get the full story. TIA! Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

P.S. While you're at it, please post a link re the "complicity in murders" as I know zilch about that. Not that it would surprise me to find it were true; we are discussing a Chicago machine politician, after all. Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

Actions speak louder than words....

Yes they do...and receiving Holy Communion, which is what the First Family did, was an action that spoke volumes. That is something that goes against the Muslim belief that Jesus was nothing more than a prophet.

An obvious conclusion, given all the evidence. Kudos. Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

Thanks Green cake and to you The metallion, you are right too.

All that flap about Reverend Wright, you still think he's a Christian. Brilliant.

If he's not a Muslim why does he say that America is a Muslim country.....He can speak for himself but not for me......

Here are two interesting ones: [i]Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam. And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslims Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there’s got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples. One of the great strengths of the United States," the President said, "is ... we have a very large Christian population -- we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values[/i] Oh the horrors.....

i suspect you are taking a quote completely out of context nzinky. i am sure annie knows the one you are referring to? if not i'll go and find it

Keep an eye out for news reports tomorrow. The Obamas are supposed to attend church for Easter.: http://visionchristiannewswire.com/2010/04/president-obama-to-attend-church-on-easter-sunday.html

Well I wouldn't be surprised if it happened to me. I haven't been to church in years and don't plan on going anytime too soon!

No one wanted to stand close to my brother when his first child was baptized for that very reason.

On the contrary! Nearly all our leaders have been Christian at times in their lives! Listen carefully as to why I say this. You see, you're forgetting the most important Christian rule (yet another one President Alinsky doesn't follow)--forgiveness! The moment people cease to sin, & honestly repent & try to make amends to the best of their abilities, they're following Christ's directive again (thus automatically Christian again, which should be obvious), & He forgives them. They get clean slates. One has no reason to remain in sin! You seem to assume people once they sin, that's it! Why, when they don't have to? I never said or implied any such thing. You might want to search your heart as to why you think I meant that, & why you would want to impute such evil motives to me. Just a thought. Anyhow, at some point, we have all become sinners. Those who repent, & do penance, are again Christians, i.e., followers of the Christ. Those who do not, as the hypocritical reprobate occupying the Oval Office, does not, are not, by definition, "Christians." As I said before, they are following someone else.... Oh, & just by the way, it doesn't matter what the name of one's faith may be...it is one's actions which define one as Christ-like, not the brand name. Christian is as Christian does, remember? Think of the Parable of the Good Samaritan. For that matter, think of Christ's willingness to keep company with the non-Jewish, & even with formerly very non-Godly people! He never said, "This or that brand name religion will lead you to Heaven." I don't care what temple or church one attends. What matters is whether one follows Christ's teachings to the best of one's understanding. That said, He did found ONE Church & gave it knowledge & power, so it's a place one can learn most thoroughly & fastest what He wants us to do, & only a fool turns down experts. Or have you ever tried to attempt your own brain surgery? Still, Christ-like behavior is found everywhere, even, ironically (& unknowingly) among a few atheists, occasionally. Thank God for that, because being among those who act like the Christ is the only thing that makes this world a bearable place! The rules of Christ are equally applied to all of us, chief among them forgiveness for one's enemies ("charity"). To my regret, I've stopped following Christ many times, but at this moment, I'm Christian, & will remain so until or if I sin again. But if I sincerely regret my sins, & change, He will forgive me, even as He forgave His own murderers. After all, it was He who told us, "Forgive 77 times." (That was a contemporary idiom of Jesus' era, meaning "ALWAYS forgive"...just FYI. ) I can almost hear your next question: have I forgiven the man in the White House? Of course! Every day he offends me, other patriots, & most important, God, so every day I must forgive him. (How blessed I am to have such a frequent spiritual task! LOL!) But many mistakenly equate forgiveness with excusing the sin & forgetting the person ever sinned. This isn't what Christ taught! I can forgive a dangerous bear, who was created to do bearish things by God Himself, for biting my hand. But I'm not stupid; loving God doesn't mean one checks one's brains at the Church door! God told us to be "gentle as lambs (or maybe it was doves?), but wise as serpents" when dealing with the world. We have the usurper in office because God wants him there, no doubt (based on long experience), to bring something good our way, eventually. It might even be something he opposes, but it will happen. It could also be that God has "hardened the man's heart," in effect, blinded him to his own evil, to chastise us for our collective evils. God has done that sometimes (& it always succeeds!). Everyone, whether doing good or evil, serves God, knowingly or not. Americans who know what our country was designed to be (which, due to the usurper & his ilk, now isn't) are doing all they can to point out we have a devious & savage bear in the White House, & that he's there only because God wants him there, & that it's our patriotic duty to restrain him & try to undo the hideous damage he's doing. This would all be sooo much easier if the "President" would even try to be more than a nominal Christian... Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

[i]Okay, they include everything in the ten commandments plus the 11th one Christ added. They include not slandering others. Lying's a no-no, too. Definitely included is not dealing in an underhanded way to get what you want--no bullying, either. The moment one ceases to follow Christ's teachings & behaviors...one ceases to be a Christian[/i] So, according to the standards you've listed we haven't had one president who was a Christian.

Actually, no mags, that wasn't going to be my next question. My next question relates to this...as does the one after that and the one after that, etc: The moment people cease to sin, & honestly repent & try to make amends to the best of their abilities, they're following Christ's directive again (thus automatically Christian again, which should be obvious), & He forgives them. They get clean slates. Is it your contention that every president we've had prior to this one has repented and tried to make amends for the sins you listed earlier? My next question would be...how on earth do you know this? Were you in the confessional with them? When did they repent? If they didn't repent while they were in office than, again, they were not Christians according to your standards while they were in office. For some reason I can't envision Bill Clinton confessing and repenting his sins while he was the president. In addition maggie, one does not stop being a Christian simply because one has sinned because we're all sinners. If that were true you would be hopping in and out of Christianity every other day based on the way you treat some folks here...no offense intended...just the facts. Of course, I would also be in the same flip flopping boat since I'm not always the nicest girl on the mylot block at all times either.

Actually, he spent a lot of time in the Muslim faith as a boy in Indonesia, even deeply impressing his teachers with his knowledge & faith. So much so in fact, that it was once recommended he become whatever they call those men who climb the minarets & call Muslims to prayer. This is all on record. Just FYI. Maggiepie 2012--CHANGE WE CAN really BELIEVE IN!

Muslims do not take holy communion in a Christian church on Easter Sunday...which is what the president did a few hours ago.

I have not had TV on and don't know but thans for letting me know. Wonder why he went today??

I cannot help but wonder if this a PR thing---I'm quite sure it's not a religious change in our prez--- To me it's a means to show off and hope the American people think he is a Christian. It just blows my mind to think we have a muslim for a president of these United States. And,GOD help us all. God Bless, quita

He didn't proclaim that America was a muslum country either like Obama did...

And he was a wonderful Christian man, eh? If you overlook the deaths taht happened at his hands and that annoying Iran-Contra thing. Glad taht the focus on Obama's church going has a counter-point.

When did he proclaim that?

I not only think he's ashamed of his religion but is also ashamed of our country by the way he conducts business....

I don't know what my neighbors do nor do I care....I know my kids and their families go to church every Sunday......I go also.....Oh, my kids also take their families to chuch with them

I don't think so.

And a socialist/communist, too.

I don't understand the religion thing, personally. But, then again, I'm not religious. I imagine some don't want their president to believe anything they don't believe. That's valid to an extent. Maybe you give your vote to the man or woman running who's a carbon copy of you and your ideology. But I can't see holding something so trivial over someone's head if they happen to be elected. As far as the "socialist" stuff goes, Obama's a whole lot closer to that than simply being a liberal democrat. He is a social progressive, specializing in social justice (read: victimology) and wants the government to be more involved in the lives of private citizens, because he thinks government can not only level the playing field, but should level it for the good of the country. That's transformed to "socialism" because it's pretty dang close. Here's a quote from that great World Wide Web thingy: "Socialists generally share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through a system of exploitation. This in turn creates an unequal society, that fails to provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential, and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public..." Sound like anyone we know? It's not simply some conservative smear. The religion thing is, I think, but that "stuck 100 years before everyone else" isn't quite accurate. Some folks simply see Obama's ideology and do not recognize it as anything good for America.

sometimes it seems more than that. i've been reading about religious attitudes in the middle ages, oddly similar in some ways.

for a person not having any comment on his religion you sure said a lot about it..

nzinky, for a person having way too much to comment on his religion, you sure said very little.

I didn't realize 100-some words was a lot to say about something. I also didn't say I didn't have a comment to make. I said that what Obama believes is none of my business. I don't have a problem with Christians or Muslims. I'm not a bigot.