Feminism

Very fair response sarahruthbeth.

An excellent response.

fair enough.

More than either one being superior than the other, Deepak, I feel that they need to be equal to be themselves. There are certain things that men do better than women do. Respect that..give each one their due and move forward. That's how I feel.

Well, equal does not mean being the same (in this case). It just means 'equal rights'...as in ...the right to be oneself..irrespective of whether they are male or female. Not that men or women can be controlled by the other gender or by society's stereotypes(gender) .

Actually, our law gives greater protection to women drannh![from court decrees I am saying this ].If it is safety of women then this is another question .

I did not think in these lines drannh! was talking about the physical safety of women .If men are allowed to have a jolly life after fathering the child and allowing the woman to bear the responsibility all by herself it is defintiely to be condemned.

That depends entirely on what you mean by protection and what you mean by safety, but when we speak of equality we must consider all aspects of human endeavor. The right to have equal education, equal work, equal pay, equal enforcement of the laws that exist but are not uniformly enforced. Here in the US the law is often unfair to men and to women, but our laws give more power to men in the areas that matter most to me. Where the men suffer is in placement of children after a couple breaks up, because the prejudice is that women are the only ones capable of raising children and that is clearly not true. But so many men run off and leave their women with small children and no way to support them. The deliquency rate on child support payment is astronomical. Until recently there was almost no enforcement. I do not call that protection when the courts force the women to stay at home and raise children and the man is free to work, but keeps the money. It takes two to make children and two to raise them.

I don't blame you for thinking that the term was used to describe a certain group of people...that's the general notion and the main aim of feminism is greatly misunderstood because of some women who are trying to be superior to men rather than trying to fight for equal rights.

It's amazing how easily we can stereotype! I've learned so much from this discussion already. I definitely agree that women should have equal rights as men, but at the same time, that doesn't mean women are better than men in any way. (We might be better than them at some things, but I sure don't want to go lifting more than I can handle - we'll leave that to them...among other things, of course. LOL!)

lol...I'm a woman and I've never (secretly or otherwise) thought I am better than a man...and honestly I don't even care about who is better than who. But I feel I need to be given an equal status in society. If a man can choose his profession, so should a woman....if a man can choose when to have a child, so can a woman....that kind of equality. If I can wash the dishes better than my husband (or I like to do it), I'm not one to avoid doing it in the name of feminism to prove something. But then if I wish to have a drink, I wouldn't like someone telling me that I shouldn't be drinking because I am a woman! And you are right...there are men and women who have been bad to the opposite gender...and yes, I've come across many women who take advantage of their husbands or even treat them badly AND threaten to go to court and fight it out because the law favours the woman!! Now, I really can't stand women like that!!

I understand what you are saying...because I've heard women speak like that too...not professionals even...stay at home moms too. I'm not that way. But I do expect both partners to pull their weight in the home and do whatever is possible.

I'm not sure if I'd say they are equal. Even as a generalization, there are some things men do better than women and some things which women are better at. Of course, there are a few men and women who have broken the stereotype but they are more an exception than the rule. And I choose to think that it is because of their individuality and not because of their gender.

Very well said..I couldn't have put it better myself!

If I'm not mistaken, the term 'equality' stands for equal rights and not to mean that men and women are equal and each can do everything that the other can do. It is similar to the line where you said there should not be a discrimination between a son and a daughter and both need to get equal opportunities. When girls and boys are raised in such a family which gives them equal status, they naturally grow up to be individuals who expect equal status from their souse. I don't think that it is wrong. Expecting civility from a spouse and the freedom to choose and express opinions should not be wrong just because the person doing it happens to be the wife. The domestic and work place discords arise because the status of the women is lowered and they are expected to be the followers and not the leaders or partners.

That's exactly how I think and feel.