What would you do? How do you feel about this?

In other words, the horse is due to be delivered the same day as your gran's memorial? Ouch. I just don't think you should give her any more money until you've seen and checked out the animal. And if she won't deliver, then find the time after your gran's memorial to go yourself. This whole situation stinks...............and I don't want to see you taken advantage of at such a time. My thoughts and blessings are with you sweets.

Yeah, sigh. That sucks, but she emailed me back last night and said Saturday is the day she is bringing her, so as long as she gets here early enough in the morning, I can still have time to get showered, and dressed for Gramma's Memorial. I was hoping she could shift it to Sunday, but apparently not.

Yep, well think about that fella from Scotland. He had to trust me implicitly and he never even spoke to me on the phone. Yet, I still arranged everything and tested, quarantined and shipped him 10 Registered Sheep. I had to make him pay me in advance, on trust. I already agreed to pay her the travel cost, although I don't think it will cost her $100 to travel for 1hr and 41 minutes, by mapquest's estimate. She says her vehicle is a deisel truck hauling a trailer, so I think she will be paid for her time as well. It is a fair deal for me, as a regular trucker would have charged $250. I'm pretty sure I can make the trip in my own vehicle for about $40 at most. As that is all it would cost me for a round trip 2 hrs one way, at most. I don't have time to drive all the way up there right now, with Gramma's Memorial on Saturday now, too. I have to try and convince her to either come in the morning on the original scheduled day, or the next day, Sunday. Sunday would be better, as Saturday will just be too hectic. But I can make it work if that is the only day she is available. Although I can't miss my Gramma's Services if she insists she has to come in the afternoon. After all, it IS unavoidable having her pass away so suddenly. I just thought that my Uncle said he would have the services a little later, so that all the family could come for sure. So, maybe that is when the most of them are available, I dunno.

If you look at this from a purely commercial point of view She is probably doing you a favor by delivering it. And the last thing she wants, is having you to try to renegociate the deal when she gets to your place, because you do not like something. It was your responsability to go to her place to see the animal before purchasing it. I would not buy an animal without seeing it first. Particulary if it cost $1000. Buying an animal is not like buying something standard like a television. All televisions of the same model look the same. And if it is faulty, the seller is responsible. But with an animal, they are all different.

And besides, she is more than financially covered, if I just 'changed my mind'. I will not fight her if she kept the deposit of $400 for a $100 trip. She really can't lose here. I thought of that too, and I agree with you. She played a part in this too, by accepting your deal, so she now has to carry it through.

Yes, I understand asking for full price up front, shipping included, actually, if you are to never meet the person. But she is delivering the animal herself. If not, it would be her husband, so a person of trust to her, to accept the money on her behalf. I have asked her to bring a receipt with her and she has agreed to that. That way I have proof of purchase when I go to register and/or transfer the animal into my name. But with livestock, and since she is only 2 hrs away from me, the usual routine is to transfer the bulk of the money in person upon delivery. It would be different if I had been able to travel to her place, known where she lived and seen and touched the animal first. I could have paid for it in full then, prior to delivery, because I would have also demanded a receipt showing full payment. As it is, I only gave her the $400 by depositing it in her account. I have a receipt from the bank for that, but it doesn't say what it is for. And if I had to go to court, it would be dubious if it was for any other purpose.

Yes, when she said she has a 'rule' that she doesn't deliver any animal until it is paid in full, I told her that she already had a large deposit, almost half, and that was more than enough for me to have trusted her to pay without having any more details about her or having seen the animal 'hands-on'. It is a regular practise to exchange the bulk of the money (often by cheque, actually) on the date of the actual physical exchange. I told her that I had the balance, IN CASH, here in my drawer waiting for her when she arrives, including the delivery fee we agreed on. Because I know full well, that if she showed up with the animal, and I refused her, she could legally drive back home WITH the animal and keep my $400 deposit. So, I told her that the worst case scenario for her, would be, that she drove down here (2 hr drive) for a $100 charge, and drive back, with the animal and still get to keep the $400. Why would she need more security? I already feel stupid for having given that much without actually seeing the animal in person. But I only got nervous when she asked for the balance to be paid before delivery. Really, a 10% deposit is more in line, but I have given her 40% already, so she knows I will pay it when she arrives. She knows I want the animal and am not backing out.

Annie I have to be honest I do not like the sound of this at all I really hope my instincts will be proven wrong Please let me know how it all works out Hugs

Well, she made it here on Saturday, as originally planned, thank goodness. And she was all she said she was, so I paid her as I had promised in cash and she is now MINE! I'll try and get some pics soon, then you will see why I was so excited.

Well, originally when I asked her how long I had to pay for her, she said she would give me a month, with free board. She asked for half up front, but when I offered her $400, she said okay. Now that the delivery date is nearing, she now stated that she wouldn't deliver her until the balance was paid in full. I don't see why. It wasn't part of the original agreement, not that we discussed that part, just the deposit. Most animals of this kind that I have had deals made and completed are done with a smaller deposit and the bulk of the money is paid upon delivery or pick up. And yes, if she doesn't come down with the animal within a reasonable time frame, in trying to force me to pay her in full, first, I guess I would have the right to demand my deposit back, as then, she would be backing out. Thanks.

I think worst case scenario, if she brought her down and she wasn't as she described her (breach of contract) then I would be willing to pay her travel ($100) but expect her to refund the rest of the $400 (net $300). That would be my fault for not taking the time to drive up there and see her in person first. I told her that if I just 'changed my mind' after she had already made the drive down here to deliver her, she could always just drive back home and be well overpaid for her trip, by keeping the horse and the deposit.

That is pretty much what I told her. That she was already in a position of financial power already and I didn't feel comfortable, nor required to pay any more 'up front' until she arrived here. She is delivering her herself, so I don't see the problem. I have tried to look up her addy and telephone to no avail. I just emailed her and asked though, so I have it on record.

Knocks on wood..I hope you get your dog soon...

Not legally, no. If she changes her mind, she has to return the deposit. But if I don't know how to contact her other than email, I can't find her to ensure I get it back. And I think part of the reason that she sold this animal at such a low price, was because she needed the money. So, me holding out until she shows up with the animal should give her even more reason to deliver her. So, she will get the balance as soon as possible. *fingers crossed*

, it is a horse sweetie.

very cool glad you like her and all worked out!

That is what I did. I held out, until she delivered her here to me, and then paid her in full what we agreed for the balance on the purchase price and the delivery fee. She is beautiful! I am very pleased with her.

Glad you sussed the scammers out before you lost your $200. Sounds like you will do well with your online business. She just emailed me to confirm delivery on Saturday, so here's hoping all goes as planned.

That's what I told her. That I thought it was much more appropriate to wait until she delivered the animal before paying the balance. I feel that she already has more than enough up front to guarantee thath she will be paid the balance when she arrives. Unfortunately, I now have one more complication. My Gramma just passed away and the services are on that same day. Unexpected, but I obviously have to go. So, I have emailed her to ask if she can deliver her the following day...Sunday OR first thing in the morning that day, as I will be too busy doing my chores in the morning and then the afternoon is shot with the services and all. I have to honour my 92 yr old Gramma. I loved her very much and she will be missed. The entire family will be there, and we don't all see each other very often, either, because we all live so far away from each other.

That would require an address to serve her. I have looked on the telephone directory and there is nobody with that name in that area listed, so they must have an unlisted number. I should have known better, I am an idiot.

I just deposited the $400 in her bank account, so I have that information and her email.

There's always one of those online people searches... Hopefully it's not a fake number (throwaway or something)... But if you sent the money via paypal and it's a scam,you may have recourse through them.

Annie, it's my understanding that your deal was, you pay a deposit, she delivers and you pay the balance. She is now changing the contract between you and the law does not allow that. So if you can't get her to keep to the original contract, then you sue her butt. You've done it before and won and I have no doubt you can do it again.

Well, my understanding of the law in this country and this province, is that when you enter into an agreement with someone, and you give them a deposit, if the person (ME) who gave the deposit changes their mind before the transaction can be completed, the receiver of the deposit (HER) get to keep the deposit. That is actually the whole point of the deposit, to secure the item for yourself. It proves your intent to pay for it. And I fully beleive that I have proven myself now, and it is her turn. Not my turn to prove some more. Now, if SHE refuses the complete the transaction, then, yes, she must give me back my deposit.

Well let's just hope that she will come with the animal and if not that she will atleast give you back the deposit.

Thanks Tamara. I do not feel it is right for her to be asking for any more money from me at this point. IF I decided that after the animal arrived, that I did not want it any longer, then I would be backing out of the deal, so she would have every right to keep my $400. Although, if it was for some health problem or anything she described her to be and she was not, I would expect that she would have to give me the whole deposit back, as that is not 'good faith'. I have shown 'good faith', so I don't understand why she is expecting me to do more, particularly when she doesn't even have to wait for a cheque to clear. I have promised her cash when she arrives. I don't think anybody could ask for more. *sigh*

It is a horse, not a dog or cat. And this particular type and colour combination are fairly rare and usually very expensive. The price was amazing and they are only 2 hrs from me, so they are supposed to deliver her themselves.

Thanks for your opinion. I needed some more backup support to make sure I wasn't being too demanding. I mean, I don't want to piss her off, but I also need to protect my interests, too. I've been stupid enough already, I think, in trusting her with a huge deposit before even having touched the animal.