"Religion only exists if people believe in it...

Explain how we are all creators? We are indeed the product of our creations, as in our mind can make many things happen. All the man-made achievements here on earth are made from the result of humankind's mind. I like your chess and placebo analogy. I did not know that energy is exerted when one thinks but that makes sense as even the brain requires energy.

Thanks Eddy... I like the book by P.D. Ouspensky's take in his story "The Benevolent Devil" from his book "Talks With a Devil". This really nails a plausible Idea of what is meant by us being creators before falling for this Dimension. And if you really want a book that will blow your mind he also published "Tertium Organum" (The 3rd Cannon of thought) as it puts this Dimension into perspective. Also Alan Watts with his book "The Taboo against knowing who you are" has great analogies for explaining the Dimensional beings that we are. If you message me an email address I can send you some ebooks that will be of great benefit to you. In a nutshell we come out of the earth but we are not really from the earth. The creation/creator of the universe no doubt has an inclination for us to realize and be aware of just how amazing we truly are. We will all shed these bodies like snakes do there skin and our habits and conditioning will chart our awareness. I first became aware of a greater force then myself by doing a specific exercise during Tai Chi as I felt for the first time my ability to actually feel a push and pull sensation of resistance between my hands for prior to that it was just book knowledge of the occult to me, I suppose everyone has there triggers. We have a direct "will and influence" over the ether's or creative forces that be. This taught me alot and I've personally understood precisely why those who know what this all means often don't speak to the fear based and the non-initiated multitudes.... It's almost like the movie Constantine where you can't get in the club if you can't use your own abilities to get in or if you aren't licensed so to speak. Keaunu says to Shia labeouf... "You can get in if you can get in" ... Anyways to answer your question it all depends on your definition of "Creator" ;-) to some the miraculous is just a mere science or gift and to others it seems as if they are beyond reality or creators. Look into the founder of Aikido(Steven Segal takes this art to the dark territiory as the practice was never intended to break limbs and hurt another to the point of no return, it is an art that specifies "Nobody really wants to fight" and it protects your opponent from himself ultimately) ... The founder "Morihei Ueshiba" supposidly was in touch with the old world gremlins and fairies of Japan. There were even writings that he developed the gift to see the "white light of intent" and act accordingly to the properties of circular motion to "return to sender" as it were... But what quite really did he create if not only the rite of passage. Anyhow I'll be glad to throw you some ebooks cause this whole creator talk is i suppose subjective for lack of mutual communication. Hope this answers your question or opens up a new door of perspective/angle.

That is an apt argument. How do we know that God really exists aside from a Holy Book or scriptures? There has not been any concrete legit evidence that there is a True Creator or an Higher Being of the world. I was merely saying that God might not exist to a person who does not believe in Him in respect to that one individual. It's all on what the mind believes.

Air doesn't exist if we doesn't breathe, or air doesn't exist if we don't believe in it. That is what you mean in simple words. And about Christianity, it will be stronger day by day and as time pass by. With the advance in science and technology, Christianity will prove its truth. And the amazing fact is that a true Christian can never turn back even if the whole world doesn't believe in what he believe and saw. It is personal, not influenced or inherited.

It's true that Christianity is withering in many European countries. But it's gaining so much ground in Africa and Latin America. South Korea, China etc are picking it up as well. Religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam etc have withstood the test of time. I would be really cautious to make a pronouncement on the demise of such religions.

Sorry phynx15 but your reply does not seem to make much sense except for the bit where you say that christianity gets stronger day by day which is patently not true. I know that it still has a strong following in the bible belt in America but 100 to 150 years ago in the UK churches were full every Sunday but now they are nearly empty and many have been pulled down or put to other uses. Of course most religions continue to have followers long after they have disappeared from the main stream but they all have their life span and they will all go eventually. It is just a matter of time

Soulgazer that is a very interesting point that a person has all their knowledge because someone told them so. What about the stuff that one learns on their own. The feelings and senses? One learns about pain through experience. If I touch a hot stove I learn that it is hot or and that it causes pain (assuming that no one told me this)I'm just playing devil's advocate that not Everything is learned by the interaction of hearing through learning from others. Bird I did not say that I did not believe in God I was merely speaking from a different point of view. My question to you is what about those who do not believe in the Christian God but instead believe in Buddha for example is God going to condemn all humans who do not believe in him? Would that not make him a cruel God?

Knowledge that really counts?! and please tell me... don't you know everything only because someone else told you so?! ah the lambs are so simplistic tonight run along to your Sheppard little one.

I have heard that the mind can work in powerful ways. One can imagine one does not exist or imagine that the pain is not there or the pain is not real. Many people say "mind over matter" in there attempts to conquering pain. I understand what you're saying that even if I do not believe in gravity, there exists scientific proof that proves that gravity is real. I was more talking about things that cannot be proven. On the other hand I think that the mind is so powerful that it can really trick or convince their owner into believing or not believing something.

I guess I was talking about it on a one-on-one basis, as in because the mind is the most powerful organ I can convince myself wholeheartedly that something does not exist and will not listen to rhyme or reason to the contrary. That would be considered an irrational person, so their ideas would not be pertinent in a scholarly argument anyway if that person cannot except what other people are saying. My point is to that one person who believes that he/she is right then it is right to their own minds. This is just hypothetical and I am not willing to do that of course, this is just for argument's sake. I'm sorry if I am unable to make it clearer. Please tell me exactly what aspect of the argument you are confused on.

You are technically right. I, however am speaking on a mental playing field. I can say that you are not real and just a figment of my imagination. You might perceive yourself to be real but if I do not think you are real then you are not real to me. It is kind of like a study of philosophy and psychology.