So Then What?

What if he refuses to step down, impeachment trail? Do you think Democrat who control Congress would impeach Obama?

Impeachment would be in order and I think, as much as I don't care for Congress right now, they would begin the process. If they didn't, all h*ll would break loose in this country. But this is so hypothetical it's hard to play... Obama will never make such an announcement, even if it was true. He's enjoying the power too much... And he'll fight like h*ll to keep that power.

Well yeah the odd of this happening is one in a million if not a billion, but if some people are going to send their whole time here on MyLot trying to make the case that Obama is ineligible then they also need to state how they are going to resolve the issue.

As I have already asked what if Obama does not resign?

Biden wouldn't be able to pardon him unless he was convicted and, I agree, the possibility of federal charges being filed would be great.

Now that is an answer!

WEll technicly if he wasn't qualified, he didnt really win and isnt actually the commander in chief, he illegaly seized power and in doing so, commited an act of treason, even a bloodless coup I cant claim one hundred percent accuarcy in this, the legalities may turn out more complicated then that although in my opinion it shoudln't be. technicly there is no provision in the constitution for removing a president other than impeachment, but this is an etiorely different set of circumstances. This is not a matter of a legitimate president being impeached and removed for a transgression of some sort, this is an ilegitimate leader sizing power, a man who isn't genuinely president. Let me state for the record I do not believe this to be the case. I believe Barak Obama was legitimatly qualified to be president. Unless someone puts up some compelling evidence to the contrary, this is what I will stick to. but it's fun to think these scenarios through if for nothing more than a good intellectual excercise. It gets people thinking about the unthinkable, because it is only unthinkable until it happens.

xfahctor, this is definitely an out of the ordinary situation but it seems to me that the authority to remove a president has to come from the legislature following the impeachment process. The U.S. Attorney's Office could charge him with treason and even arrest him but he would still, technically, be the president. Since he is also the Commander In Chief of the military, no one has the authority to order his removal from office by military force. This is why we have the impeachment process...to avoid coup like situations. At least that's my understanding of it.

Yes life would go on if the President of the USA was born in another country.

Okay arrest me then.

No it wouldn't. You're talking about a treasonous act. Fraud. A lie. You don't know what you're talking about.

Why would they be subject to ethics violation, and who would charge them with the ethics violation? The Republican, they are the minority party and cannot force the Democrats to do anything. Ethics violations are voted on, who is the majority, the Democrats. So Obama would only be impeached if the GOP retook the House in November, and got a 2/3 majority in the Senate which is mathematically impossible.

They would be subject to ethics or misconduct violations because they are required to adhere to a code of conduct that does not include circumventing the Constitution or the legislative process. If Obama confessed that he was not eligible to run for president in the first place then he *is* in office illegally...no one could dispute that regardless of how much they liked the man. Both the House and Senate police themselves and, no, I don't know much about this but I do know that it's not the lawlessness of the Wild West on Capitol Hill. Unless someone came up with something out of left field that the Democrats could get behind without looking like they were sanctioning a fraud, their only options would be to support the impeachment process or stay out of it entirely when the time came to vote. The American people would also be watching and I can pretty much guarantee that any Democrat who thumbed his/her nose at the legislative process in this situation would not be re-elected. I really don't believe that the entire Democrat party is unethical or stupid. BTW, I do know that not all ethics violations are voted on. Expulsion is but that's the most serious consequence.

That's not how the ethics rules work. There is no legal requirement regarding how a Senator or Representative votes on articles of impeachment or conviction. There would, however, be intense political pressure on all congress critters to impeach. So it's a good thing that this scenario simply isn't going to happen, because President Obama was born in Hawaii, as documented by his birth certificate and reported in the local newspapers when the event occurred.

Invalidating legislation an interesting thing to think about. Of course this is of all likely hood just talk but something to think about.

Technically yes, that would invalidate it, as he was never a legitimate president and never had the authority to sign bills. Now I'm not sure what the process would be after that if Biden would just be able to resign them and have it all be as it is or if there would be some other process to go through.

Yeah and that is a good point, even if Obama was born in Kenya he was born to an American mother.

Well yeah there would be a lot of egg on people's faces.

That would have been an interesting April fools day joke.

Well, that is an interesting twist but not according to the Constitution. The Pentagon has no authority to act on it's own and definitely is not given the authority to appoint anyone to run the country for any amount of time. Only the legislative branch of the government, specifically both houses of congress, can remove a president from office and they can do it very effectively. The charge would be election fraud...possibly treason but election fraud and the not being a natural born citizen part would do the trick. The fact that Biden was Obama's running mate does not automatically make him or anyone else complicit in the crime. That would have to be determined through hearings of the Judicial Committee in the House of Representatives with individual criminal charges filed based on the outcome. In the meantime, Biden would become the president because the first order of business would be to impeach Obama. Once Biden was president he would nominate someone to replace him as Vice President. If he did participate in election fraud and was impeached also, that person would become the president and he would nominate someone to become Vice President. It's actually a very orderly process.