Should we let Naomi quit band?
By TheRealDawn
@dawnald (85146)
Shingle Springs, California
April 28, 2010 12:34pm CST
Naomi started band this year. Her chosen instrument was xylophone. It quickly became obvious that she wasn't a natural. Actually, Cary is able to play her songs on it better than she can and he hasn't has any instruction. I guess it lost its allure for her and sometime before spring break she asked if she could quit. I told her that she could quit at the end of the school year. Yesterday I came home and R says, "Naomi wants to quit band." "Um, did she happen to mention that I already told her she could quit at the end of the year?" "She wants to quit now. I think we should talk to the teacher." Well duh she wants to quit now, does that mean we should let her bail out on an obligation? And who is this "we" anyway? Because if I were a betting person, I'd be betting that he means that I should do it. So Ok fine, he doesn't support my decision. Naomi doesn't like it any more, doesn't want to practice and isn't that good at it. This would mean she would bail on a planned concert btw. Should I let her quit now? Why or why not?
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@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I think unless it's getting in the way of other things, you should make her see it through. My mom was the type who let me quit everything. Sometimes I quit because it was too hard for her to get me to and from lessons or meetings, and sometimes I quit just because I didn't like it.. but it set me up to believe I never had to stick with anything, for any reason. I've never in my life held a job for more than 6 months because whenever something happened that I didn't like, I'd just quit and never come back. Soon it became difficult to get hired because employers would see my work history and realize I was not reliable.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 10
I agree with you. Not much solidarity in the parental ranks right now, though. I do believe I will give the husband the music teacher's name and let him deal with it.
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
28 Apr 10
That's going to be a problem you'll be facing a lot after the seperation. You two will have to come to an agreement on it, otherwise the kids may play one against the other. When you say no they'll no he'll say yes (though it may already be this way). So glad hubby and I see eye to eye on these things.
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@sleepylittlerose (1648)
• United States
28 Apr 10
Letting her quit at the end of the school year would be her only option if it were up to me. She is too late into the school year to drop it now. They have made it into the last quarter now and most school systems will not even consider allowing the drop. I completely understand hating the band as I was forced to play the flute in middle school. But I buckled down, did my best and got through the year. She will be ok. Don't push the practice anymore than you have to because all it will do is make her hate it even worse. You may want to send a message to the band director just so he/she understands Naomi's feelings toward the band and so that there are no surprises when it comes to the concert.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 10
Husband wants to contact the music teacher, so I just sent him the e-mail address.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
28 Apr 10
hi dawnald I know she has lost her enthuiasm but still to quit
now might be teaching her that any time she doesnt quite like
something she can just bail out. I feel that since it is
not that long to the end of the school year she should wait and
quit then. Its so easy to learn to bail out of things at the first
little problem and sometimes you will regret it in later years.
Of course if its making her really miserable your idea of quittingat the end of the year sounds more like a winner to me.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
29 Apr 10
My parents made me take piano when I was little. I absolutely hated it. Never learned much because I didn't care. Still have no interest in piano at all. Lot of wasted money and time, for ultimately nothing.
I think a bigger problem is that you and your husband are not together on decisions. The moment a child learns that they can play one parent against the other, they'll continue to do that the rest of their childhood, and it will cause them to think they can weasel out of things later in life. That's a very bad lesson to teach a child.
One suggestion is what my parents did with me, which is if I asked either of them something, they would always say "Well, I think it's ok, or not ok, but let me ask your father/mother first". So they would always consult each other, before telling me either way. Thus I never had the opportunity to play one against the other, and neither was saying the other didn't support their views in front of the child (me).
Back to Cary. Well, I can only tell you how my parents handled this. If I ever wanted to be involved in "X" thing, they would always make me support "X" thing, with my own money. I had jobs I had to do, and they paid me for some of them, and if I wanted a new "X", I had to pay for it, or split the cost 50/50.
It's really easy to walk away from something when you have nothing invested in it. That's a hard lesson to learn too. Look at these sub-prime no-money-down mortgages people are walking away from.
I really do not have direct answer, because I can see both sides. On the one side, you should keep the obligations you sigh up for. You signed up for this, you should stick it out. That's a good lesson to teach your children. I agree. Alternatively, my parents spent two long years banging their heads against the wall to make me practice piano, frustrated me, caused me to never want to be around them, and wasted tons of money on lessons that I don't remember any part of.
Of course one difference is, I never signed up for piano, nor did I ever tell them I was interested in learning it. They wanted that, not me.
But whatever you do, you should be united with your husband on this, and if you go to the teacher, you should do so together. Marriage is 'we two are one', not two people living separate lives in the same house.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 10
I hope not, but you see what a good job we're doing of being together on decisions and communication...
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 10
Well we are getting a divorce, so that tells you something right there.
What ended up happening is that he sent an e-mail to the music teacher. The teacher said that Naomi is doing quite well, and that we should try and encourage her to stay in band until the end of the year. There is a concert June 1st and they need her. Knowing Richard, he will have the talk with her before I get home. :-)
@climber7565 (2579)
• United States
17 May 10
We often cling to the concept: "Start quitting now and be a quitter for ever", or something like that? well here is the call on reality, why not teach our young ones to find their one thing they love to do and will be likely to be good at? Something that will help them make a living as well in older years? I say let her quit that something she hates, but help understand why she is allowed to quit this, and I would say replace it with something else she maybe good at, sort of as part of keeping her commitment. She should also still help the band for the rest of the year, in some way, since its not ok to pick up something and quit, abandon the classmates who depend on her part. I also think you were correct at demanding her to quit at the end of the year, but why make her miserable about it? If you talk to the teacher is a good thing, help her stay in band and pick up an instrument she would like better, if there is a sit for her.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
17 May 10
We did talk to the teacher and she can quit after the concert on June 1st. It's only 2 more weeks now anyway... Finding something she likes better, that might be interesting...
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
24 May 10
She will be happier once the concert is behind her I think!
@climber7565 (2579)
• United States
17 May 10
Hello, it sounds like things are working out for better. I bet your daughter must feel happier. :)
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
28 Apr 10
Let her quit now. I am a musician and it is hard to practice And do well when your heart isn't in it.I loved practicing. My mom Never had to Make me practice. In fact she wouldn't been able to make me practice.Music is the one thing that Has to be heart driven. If your heart isn't in it , it won't be good. Yo can't force a person to love Any music. Either they do or they don't. Let her quit. If she isn't practicing , she won't do well at that concert. Music is the One subject that at first you don't succeed, you Should quit.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
29 Apr 10
Music isn't like Algebra,a required course. It is an elective.And if she isn't into band , see if she would like chorus or the orchestra.Music is such a personal thing. It shouldn't be forced. maybe her artist flare will come out somewhere else.
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
15 May 10
hmm..i would tell her just do the concert,and if she's still against it,maybe..
kids can be really iffy about instruments..
i know i wanted out of clarinet class,but with my asthma,it was kind of pointless.i don't know if you've ever watched spongebob,but squidward was better than me at it.
just didn't have the breath for it.
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
24 May 10
in my case? oh yea.
at least he occasionally gets a melody going.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
28 Apr 10
Hi there Dawnald,
Hmm. Good question. When I was a kid, I was one that had to try out for everything and join up to everything. My mother got a little frustrated with me when I would drop out things early but she did not stop me. My father supported me in my choices. Many times, I just decided that it wasn't for me. Still, It was good that I tried it out or I'd not have known. I think if I knew ahead that I could not walk away if I felt like it that many things, I'd probably not have even tried. Also there were many things that I did stick out and learned so much from them. Even the ones that I didn't complete, I took some learning with me from the experience. I was the same with my own kids. I encouraged them and supported them in all things and I did encourage them to give their all. When my daughter got upset at her coach and wanted to quit basketball for example, I agreed that she could but first I wanted her to go to her coach and tell him why she wanted to quit. She was good and I knew that her reasons for quitting were not because she didn't like it. Thankfully, the coach convinced her to stay. I would tell Naomi that she can quit but she should go to the instructor and tell her on her own.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 10
Interesting, I wonder how Naomi would react to that...
@GardenGerty (160702)
• United States
29 Apr 10
I think I vote for this idea. Sid, you are really good.
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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28 Apr 10
Hi dawn,
I agree with you, end of the year is not that long and she should hang on for a little bit longer, sometimes if you give in to what kids want now, they will never learn, tell her to be patient, its only a few months to go and as for "R" he is always seems to be saying the opposite of what you say, looks like he is trying to get the kids on his side, well, thats how I see it, maybe I am wrong.
Tamara
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 10
I gave him the teacher's e-mail address. He can deal with it. Or not...
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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28 Apr 10
Hi dawna,
"I knew it"!! that don't surprise me at all. hugs.
Tamara
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@hmkoct5 (2065)
• United States
29 Apr 10
My son did the same thing when he joined baseball. He was horrible at it and didn't like it at all. But, we told him since he had made the commitment, he needed to finish the season. He never had to play again, if he didn't want to, but he had to honor his commitment. I think it's important to make kids follow through on their commitments because otherwise, they may learn that it is easy to just quit whenever times are tough. I know others will disagree with me, but this is how I feel.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 10
I think she will stick it out through June 1st. After that she can quit...
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
30 Apr 10
I have always had one rule when my children sign up for something...you don't have to do it every year but if you sign up for it, you have to finish the season. I have never been faced with one of them hating what they were doing but I have had them not want to do it again. I think that if she is miserable..well...she's miserable..but if you've spent alot of money..I might make her tough it out. I guess it depends on several things. I don't think it's actually giving up if you hate it. We all try things we decide is not for us, but if we commit..well..that's different because you've promised people.
I guess I think it's ok to give something up provided it's not been at a great expense finacially or personally.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
30 Apr 10
We are paying a rental fee on the instrument...
@vandana7 (100303)
• India
29 Apr 10
My decision would be the same as yours Dawn. :) I think as a child I too had fingers in one pie too many. :) And of course, I wasn't good in most of them. :) But may be Naomi needs to know that it is not only about wanting and then changing mind, but about not failing to deliver as well. In this case, a planned concert would be disturbed. May be you could talk it with her, explain to her how difficult it would be for them to find a suitable replacement at such short notice, and so on. BTW I think that is what R should have done instead of taking such a stand.
@madteaparty (2748)
• Japan
29 Apr 10
Well, even if I find weird that someone can have any problem to play an instrument such as simple as the xylophone, every person has his/her own handicaps, so I'm nobody to judge.
Is the band an after-school activity at school? Because in that case, if she's not happy with it she should be able to quit. It's better that she has a happy school life instead of having to be forced to do something she won't like
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 10
It's during school hours. The music teacher says she's doing just fine. We're going to tell her that and encourage her to keep with it until after the concert.
@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
29 Apr 10
she's probably getting cold feet about the concert - afraid she'll make a major goof most likely
I think a discussion with the band teacher might be in order - it could well be that s/he might be happy to see Naomi's back if she's not doing well - but can't kick her out either
I would pressure her to stay in unless the band teacher says its fine, but I wouldn't do it with Naomi in the room, the teacher might not be so open if talking in front of the child.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 10
I sent him the teacher's e-mail address and he dealt with it. We're going to try and encourage her to stay at least through the concert, which is June 1st.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
29 Apr 10
Hey dawny! I really shouldn't even be responding to this one!
I am the "ultimate quitter"! I took up violin and quite because
I sucked and it hurt my chin! I then took up flute and quit
that too because I sucked! So, honestly hon, forcing Naomi to
continue really doesn't make sense! I know you don't want to
hear this, but if she doesn't like it, doesn't play well, then
what's the point? She isn't going to do any better and is only
going to be miserable! Take it from someone that knows! When
you don't like something and are really lousy at it, just give
it up and walk away! There is no point "forcing" the issue because
all it will do is make her more resentful and miserable! So,
save yourself the fights and let her out of the contract!
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
29 Apr 10
I wasn't planning on making her keep it up any longer than the end of the school year. But like somebody else said, if she's stopped practicing, she's basically quit anyway.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
29 Apr 10
I wouldn’t let her quit until the end of the year because it would teach her that when you commit to something you’ve got to see it through. My daughter does ballroom dancing and she tells me she loves it but she’s had times when she just didn’t want to go and I encouraged her to because of the commitment lesson; she went and told me later it was fun. Sometimes they just need the occasional push although it does sound like Naomi has stopped enjoying her musical instrument so she will probably benefit from doing something else but I would encourage her to stick it out for the year. Good lesson; you can’t just quit when you stop liking something.
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 10
Or even just "we need you for the concert" and "how can we make it more fun for you"?
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
28 Apr 10
I know my Mom would have made me stick it out. And while I would have hated it, I would be glad in the long run I did. Starting and finishing a project are important lessons to be learned. I wouldn't let R "win" on this one. Just tell him he can make the next "learning" decision (if it's the right decision ). You sure Naomi isn't just scared about the upcoming concert?
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
28 Apr 10
I think maybe she's frustrated that she isn't very good at it...