What would you do if a public servant did this to you?
By debrakcarey
@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
May 26, 2010 10:32pm CST
Last weekend my son went to the river with a friend. They went to a national forest nearby to hike. My son had had one beer before they started out on their hike. His friend had several. The friend slipped and fell 40 feet onto some rocks head first. Some other hikers went up to the highway where they could get signal and called paramedics. The friend's scalp was peeled back and skull was showing. He convulsed, he quit breathing twice. My son, being the son of a medical person, knew what to do to keep him going until help arrived. Some Russian tourists even helped him, barely speaking English. I only hope they weren't frightened by what happened next.
A Conservation agent arrived, then the emergency responders, air evac and a county police officer.
By the time the emergency medical responders arrived, the friend was conscious and responding to my son's questions. He was confused, but awake and talking after about 30 minutes waiting for help to arrive. He did not want to go to the hospital. He refused medical attention once he came out of his unconciousness and seizures. I know him, he's just that way. Stubborn and stupid. (His daughters MADE him go after I drove them home.)
All the 'professionals' except the county officer were concerned and, well, professional. The county policeman was beligerant and rude and since they'd each had some beer, threatening to take them to jail. He used curse words and was very crude in his remarks. My son stood up to him, saying...This man is severly hurt and may die. The officers remark was...he's stupid enough to refuse medical help, let him die. (As a medical professional, I know that head injuries that severe cause people to become aggressive and combative at times.)
I went to the scene to drive them home as he would not allow them to even turn on the pick up to move it to shade or for the air conditioning to be turned on, let alone drive.
The conservation agent even went so far as to ask the police officer to leave, telling him it was HER jurisdiction and he was NOT NEEDED, because he was being so crude and rude.
A fellow mylotter posted a discussion awhile back on the constitutionality of DUI check points and I responded by saying that we should support our police efforts to keep us safe. I thought I'd post this as the other side of the coin. What do we do when public servants act like this. My son cautioned me against calling his supervisor because he felt he'd become a target for harrassment in the future if I did. What do you think? What would you have done if this happened to you?
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
I wanted to, and I did tell the conservation agent what I thought and she put it in her report. I want also to protect MY SON's privacy. You have to understand that we live in the Ozarks. By that I mean, Hatfield/McCoy mentality is still alive and well. Not always and not real bad. But when you run up on someone like that around here, you have to deal with it as the natives do. It's in an offical report, that's all that's needed. You see, I'm not so sure the supervisor would be shocked at his behavior.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
31 May 10
The officer's supervisor, an elected offical, (sheriff) is probably just as corrupt and ignorant.
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@frontvisions101 (16043)
• Philippines
27 May 10
Well, if you still remember the officer's name, you can file a case against him for suspension or even termination. It'S not his business to be there in the first place. It'S the med team's job. He should just mind his own business if he'll just throw stupid remarks. What an a-hole.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
He used to work in our county, you have to understand, this is redneck country and he's one of the good ol' boys. I think he used to have some personal dealings with my son's friend.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
27 May 10
How is your son's friend now? That is very scary. I've heard about head injury victims who get combative and I'm surprised that they let him go--while I realize that we need free will and independence and our rights and all that, I don't think he should be allowed to refuse treatment. I could go round and round with this all day with myself and still not come up with a solution that leaves our rights intact.
I would have reported the officer. There are a couple on every police force that are there for the wrong reasons and they need to GO!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
If they'd have gotten there when he was still unconscious, they could have begun treatment and transported him. But they were out on Devil's Backbone Trail which is VERY hilly and dense woods...took them 30 minutes to get to them. By
Yes, I am with you on that opinion. But there is no way around it. OUR bodies are inviolate. I am glad for that really. But as a medical person, it often frustrates me.
His two daughters who are my son's friends too, they made him go. Apparently, family members don't have to worry about his rights...lol.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
27 May 10
Being a chicken, I'd probably ignore the officer. But in the best of all possible worlds, I'd tell him that the man's head injury was contributing to him acting like an idiot and that his attitude wasn't helping the situation at all. Might complain later, might not...
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
The conservation officer's way of handling it was priceless. My son said she was about 5'2" 125lbs. She told a six foot officer to LEAVE, this is FEDERAL property and MY jurisdiction, you're not needed here.
She called me yesterday just to make sure someone got him to the hospital and to see if he was ok. She also took my statement as to what I felt about the officer's behavior ane put it in a report they do when there's an injury on public land.
@reckon21 (3479)
• Philippines
27 May 10
I could very well understand the policeman attitude maybe he was just disgusted to discover that your son and his friend is drinking and I'm sorry to say it is really wrong. If somebody meets an accident because it's their own doing it will be easy for us to say that...good for them...they know what's wrong and they still do it.
But he should not cursed and not crude in his remarks and he should keep it to himself whatever he feels because there is lives at stake here. He must help save someone and just continue with his job later when everybody is already safe.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
Perhaps I was not clear, my son is 38 and his friend is 54. These are not KIDS out partying. They had a 12 pack between them. And actually neither one was legally over the limit.
I sure hope you never need help after doing something someone judges as wrong. And EVEN if they were drunk and rowdy, the policeman's attitude was unprofessional and life threatening. He does not belong on the police force if he can't keep his private opinions to himself on the job.
@tickle_monster06 (75)
• United States
30 May 10
I would be very uspet if someone acted in that matter towards my family or friends. I could also understand why your son would not want you to report it so he wouldn't become a target for them. I recently reported something and things went sour and I became a target and it is not fun to get pulled over by a poice department on a regular basis. It sounds like your son has a good head on his shoulders and knows how to react in a time of immediate need. Luckily he managed to live through this and be okay thanks to your son and everything that you mom have taught him!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
It's real sad when you can't even trust the police to act in the best interests of the public. The conservation agent acted with compassion and was very professional. Which tells me one thing, it WAS possible to do her job, keep the public safe and respect the individual. She did mention that they shouldn't have been drinking while on such a dangerous trail, but she also acknowledged that it is a PUBLIC trail and as such belongs to the public.
@laniekins (4579)
• Philippines
27 May 10
I really hate those erring government officials/workers, they think that they all got the power so they go beyond boundaries. Most of the time I encounter this kind of people I just quite and don't answer back,if I have enough I then answer back if I know I'm right. In your case, which is worse if I were in your shoe I will report that police in their superior, if possible to the most high officer. I will ask protection to them if in case this official will get back to me. I know its hard to do that but we can't stop them from their wrong doing if we take some steps.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
30 May 10
It's in the conservation officer's report, that's good enough for me.