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Philippines
June 13, 2010 12:18pm CST
Hi friends, I know I have been posting several discussions here about my dog Louise. Today was such a tough day she gave me. I almost had a heart attack. I want to cry but no tears would come out and I worry so much right now I cannot sleep. I was invited to a beach party of a relative of mine. My 11 year old male cousin asked me to bring Louise, I said no at first but he insisted and I asked him to ask permission from his mom. His mom said it was ok. We brought the dog with us and no sooner than 15 mins when I was just starting to eat lunch. Louise allegedly bit a 3 year old girl. I said allegedly because the mom never saw what happened and on;y relied on what the child told her. Louise was tied up under the bench of our open cottage. This little girl and her adult companion were running and the adult was ahead of the child. The child came near our cottage where Louise was. One of my cousin even saw that the child stopping by Louise and holding her hand up. Louise was on a short leash. 5 of my companions saw that the child was only scratched by Louise's nail but not bitten. The wound no more than 1mm in diameter. It's like when you place 2 tiny dots vertically and that's the size of it. It was barely visible. I immediately washed the wound with soap and water. But the mom was over reacting she was crying and all her relatives were surrounding her. They were even being rude to us. I told the mom being a nurse that it was not a bite wound but a scratch wound from Louise's nails. I asked her why was her daughter left unattended by her adult companion? She said she let her daughter run around freely. I pointed out that if that was the case then she knows there were 3 stray dogs! What if her daughter was bitten by the strays and not by Louise what would she have done? Louise was tied up in our cottage and her daughter came near unattended. I took her daughter to the hospital. We were just there 5 mins. The nurse and the doc did not even perform wound dressing since it was barely visible and very tiny. The mom was still frantic asking that her daughter be given rabies shot! I told her that my dog has a health card attesting that my dog is rabies free. But at that time it was not with me. The doc prescribed antibiotics and paracetamol for pain and she was insisting she might have fever, The doc almost rolled her eyes and told her that she might or night not have fever. Because the mom was insisting so much her daughter should be given rabies shots and tetanus shots. The doc prescribed her. I told the doc my dog is fully vaccinated and the child is also completely vaccinated for measles so she need not get the rabies shot. Doc said that was to shut the mom up. However, I called a doctor friend of mine the owner of my malshihs she said since the wound was in the leg and just round 1mm tetanus and rabies vaccines were not needed. If she insists she could get tetanus shots but not rabies. There should be a 2 week observation for the dog. But she has seen my dog and said that Louise is a healthy dog no need to worry.But both docs doubted that it was a bite, instead it was more of a scratch. The mom was not satisfied she asked that her daughter be brought to a private hospital. I obliged and the senior nurse who the other nurse referred the case because the mom was saying it was dog bit and I was saying it was a scratch. The senior nurse said upon looking at the wound that it was just a scratch! She explained what a bite would look like. The mom insisted that it might have been just 1 tooth! To which the nurse replied it was most unlikely, but if it was it should be deep not ver very shallow almost to nothing. To this the woman was relaxed and she looked embarrassed. I asked her are you know satisfied? Oh by the way, before we left the beach the child was not crying anymore. In the car she was singing already. In the hospital she was walking round. I even asked her in front of her mom if her wound was still painful and the child say "no". I told the mom if it was a real bite her child would have not yet stopped crying. To which she replied perhaps the girl was just startled. I said most definitely. Anyway she decided to continue with the vaccine. We will be seeing each other tomorrow and I will be bringing my vet's certificate. If the woman would press for money and more treatment, if you were in my shoe what would you do? What would you do with Louise? Would you give her up? I have done all I could and placed her in training school. Her trainor has already increased the fee because of Louise's case. I simply do not know what to do. Here I was thinking we were making some progress but then this happened and I dare not tell my family because I know their stand on this since the incident with my cousin. Guys please help me think through this and help me pray all well be well. Thanks. Candy
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13 responses
• United States
13 Jun 10
Oh little Candyfairy, I know I'm not going to tell you what you want to hear. When you wrote the discussion about your cousin being bit, I responded then by telling you Louise sounds like a fear biter. Fear biting is usually started when they are puppies and not many can be cured of this. You really need someone with exceptional experience in this area if you are to make any progress. Right now it doesn't sound like its happening. If you would like to keep Louise, I would make sure she does not go around children, people, or be left alone. It really doesn't seem safe. I know you believe the child should have been supervised and you are right, completely. But that is beside the point right now, the damage is done. Look at all you're going through from this time to the time before, is it worth it? And, if she bites someone and they take you to court, be prepared for a good lawsuit, and the courts would probably put the dog down. I'm sorry, this is just my opinion, but I think you know all this. I'm just worried about you and the future and what will happen. Take care hon.
• Philippines
13 Jun 10
hi dear it's past 1 am here. I still could not go to sleep. I keep rewinding what happened in my mind. You are right dear about Louise and I am also thinking of the unthinkable. She keep snarling at my brothers too. She can be a darling to me but evil to the others. What makes a pup a fear biter? I really wanna know. I brought Louise with me to socialize her but it seems that right now I cannot trust her. Dear I am pretty shaken in all honesty. My family does not know yet. Lately all I did was to spend on her and nothing on me. Her training costs me an arm and a leg. Friend I hope this is all easy.
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• United States
13 Jun 10
Awwww, I really feel so bad for you but I'm also concerned too. No, she cannot be trusted at all right now. Here is a link to a good website that explains it much easier than I could..........http://www.2ndchance.info/aggressivedog.htm..........I hope this helps you understand a bit better. I know how expensive training can be, but you also need the right trainer. Just like psychiatrists...if people don't get the right one, money is spent worthlessly, and it's not cheap. I hope that website helps you a little...take care hon.
• United States
13 Jun 10
Awwww, I really feel so bad for you but I'm also concerned too. No, she cannot be trusted at all right now. Here is a link to a good website that explains it much easier than I could..........http://www.2ndchance.info/aggressivedog.htm..........I hope this helps you understand a bit better. I know how expensive training can be, but you also need the right trainer. Just like psychiatrists...if people don't get the right one, money is spent worthlessly, and it's not cheap. I hope that website helps you a little...take care hon.
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• United States
13 Jun 10
I haven't read your other discussions about Louise, but I'll try to give my advice on this, even if I am walking into this blind. What more treatment can a woman ask for for no more than a scratch? I know I'm answering your question with a question, but I'm not aware of what more can be done to help calm the mother other than this. This isn't my specialty, however. If she presses for money, it would be embarrassing on her part. I also think it would be a trivial court case, and I doubt any extensive time WOULD be spent on it, even if it were to go to court, which I can pretty much ensure you it won't. Just remember that the mother left her child unattended and that even the senior nurse and doctor(s) considered it a scratch. If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't be too concerned over anything other than trying to calm the mother down. I can't speak on what I'd do with Louise because I have not read your other discussions, however, based on this alone, and just this, I would keep the dog. My dog is a demon who does NOT stop biting. I don't think this scratch should count against Louise. Remember, the mother left the child unattended. My nicest and most well-mannered dog scratched me.
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• Philippines
13 Jun 10
Hi friend thank you for your advice. I guess I'm just shaken at the intensity and all the drama. I love Louise that is why after she bit my cousin when everyone said to put her down I beg 1 more chance. I dare not tell them anything right now because I know I would loose Louise. But as I mentioned on the above reply God forbid I am thinking of the unthinkable. I hate it this way really I do. The mom has over sensationalized everything and all her troops. You should have seen what has happened you would be out of wits. I managed to keep calm but inside I was about to break down. What more can I do? I have done all I could with this Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde persona of Louise.
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• United States
13 Jun 10
If like the other commenter said based on your other discussions that I have not read, it is 'fear biting', then yes, you really should keep the dog away from children. It would be bad if Louise were to bite someone. Sorry about your pouch.
@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
13 Jun 10
No I would not and you will not either your Dog was on the Lead the Child was unattended You have the word from Doctor and Nurses that it is not Bite Show her Mum the Photo of my Leg and tell her that is what a Bite is Your Louise was under Control, the Child was not and the Child went up to the Dog and raised her hand so no way do you give in to the Mother and I mean that, in this case it is the Mothers fault for letting the Child roam around unattended
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
Hi Gabs, Would you please email me the photo of your leg? I'll pm you my email address. The mom is a complete psycho, the child was given 1 shot of tetanus toxoid and 1 shot of anti-rabies vaccine and she wants to get all 3 shots! I just wanna strangle her. I asked a doctor friend of mine to come over and check the child. The mom and I agreed on what time. My friend drove 11/2 hours to the city and then that lunatic sent me an sms telling me she cannot come and she had some many alibis up on her sleeves. My friend is an animal bite specialist and I guess she was ashamed she might be told off that it was not a bite for the 2nd time! I showed my friend Louise's certification and she said all the child need is 1 shot of tetanus toxoid and not anti rabies! I just can't believe the nerve of that woman she sent me an sms to bring my friend to her house! This enraged my relatives and told me to stop minding her. My friend also told me to not mind her anymore first because I did my part, 2nd I can refuse treatment since the child was unsupervised and was entrusted to a mentally challenged adult!
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
16 Jun 10
Hi Sweetie Of course I will no Problem at all as soon as I have your Email address I shall send you the Photo This Woman is pulling a fast one here I hate People like that they annoy me I haven't even sued the Woman whose Dog bit me, this is disgusting what this Woman is doing, you fight her and also write down this about your Friend and that she did not bother coming to the appointment, collect all your Evidence Sweet Send me your Addy and I shall email you the Photo
• Canada
16 Jun 10
the doc said a scratch, not a bite. a scratch is a scratch, is a scratch. a pro outta know.
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
what can we do when there is an over reacting mother hen who only believes on what she wants to believe and not on logic and fact?
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
15 Jun 10
My daughter was "bitten" by a dog when she was three years old. Now, I don't think that she was really bitten, but scratched in a major way by the dog and it really didn't freak me out that this had happened to her. She was spending the night with her grandmother and grandfather and they had gone to the next door neighbor's house to deliver Christmas gifts and Kathryn stepped on the dogs paw. What she had on her face was far greater than what you've described with the little girl at the beach, but I still wasn't terribly bothered about it. The neighbors volunteered to pay medical expenses even though I didn't even really want to take Kathryn to the emergency room. They ended up giving her preventative antibiotics and cleaning the wound up. If it were me that was in your situation, I would agree to pay the reasonable costs for the visit to the hospital, but I would refuse to pay for those things that the mother insisted on.
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
Hi dorannmwin, Wish the mom is level headed like you. I have done my part taking her to 2 hospitals and buying the meds and the vaccines. But she presses for the 2nd and 3rd dose. This is no longer indicated as I even went to the ministry of health where the resident doctor on the animal bite section said that the child does not even need an anti-rabies vaccine. Just the tetanus shot. And bites are not just 1mm long and shallow. I even asked a doctor friend to take a look at the child and then the lunatic mom did not show up on the scheduled time! My friend drove 1 1/2 hours to the city and we just got stood up and the nerve of her to tell me to bring the doctor to her house! I can only say she is a psycho!
@laniekins (4579)
• Philippines
17 Jun 10
Oh poor Louise but every mom will do the same thing, they will always overreact cause they love their children. I think it is a scratch and not a dog bite. I've been bitten and scratched by my own dog long ago by accident and I know what is the difference between the two. It's just so sad that even if we take care of our dogs and love them like human they will always be dog and ready to bite. You can put a "busal" to Louise to stop her from biting, I just don't know if she will like that. As much as possible do not leave Louise alone or out of sight in a public places to prevent such incident. I have two dogs who never fails to bark in strangers and even my family members. I don't know why they are like that but I still don't give them up.
• Philippines
18 Jun 10
hi lanie, tried putting muzzle on Louise and in less than 30 mins she was able to take it off and destroyed it! Agghh sometimes she behaves so badly, just like a mischievous child. She is with her trainor now and will be with him for 3-4 months depending on hoe cooperative she would be. She comes home during the weekends. It's very expensive to put her in training school but then when you love your dog and want to keep your dog, you just won't give up so easily without doing whatever it is you can before giving up.
@BarBaraPrz (47824)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
13 Jun 10
I don't know what happened before, but that mom sounds like she needs a reality adjustment upside the head. Talk about over-reacting!
@rowantree (1186)
• United States
13 Jun 10
I am so sorry that you are having to live this nightmare with this child's mother, who is clearly an idiot and doesn't seem capable of caring for a child. I definitely would not give up Louise! Never! Louise hasn't done anything wrong. If this crazy woman presses for money & more treatment, I would refuse her. I would definitely get statements from the doctors and nurses who treated the girl and I would get those statements NOW, while they still remember that crazy woman. You'll need to have them on hand in case this woman tries to take legal action against you. Good luck with this and again, I am so very sorry that you're having to go through all of this mess just because one woman wouldn't watch her own child.
@carmelanirel (20942)
• United States
13 Jun 10
My opinion is lesson learned, don't take your dog around this cousin who obviously overreacts to something so minor..If she was around my puppies, she would get scratched up because they are jumpers, and even though I keep their nails trimmed, accidents happen.. I also was told to bring my puppies to this cookout and glad I didn't...The person deceived me into thinking that they would have a fenced in yard to roam, but no, she meant to tie them up on a short leash..No way!!!!tie yourself up..lol But no worries,I am not getting together with this family again.._
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
13 Jun 10
My suggestion is... STOP taking Louise out where there might even be children!!! It seems to me that children make her nervous. As a matter of fact, you should keep Louise CLOSE to you when you're around anybody as it doesn't seem to take much to set her off. If she had been tied up next to you, the 3 year old wouldn't have been up in her face & the child wouldn't have been scratched. If the head nurse & doctor are willing to give statements that the child wasn't bitten, but only had a scratch, you shouldn't have to worry about Louise. Knowing that Louise is prone to bite, it is irresponsible of you to take her out & give her the opportunity to bite!!! Leave her at home. When you take her for walks, tell anybody approaching her that you can't guarantee she won't bite & say it like you mean it!!!
@portisray (503)
• Philippines
14 Jun 10
Hello candyfairy! I have been following your post ever you since you have Louise (well, not all of your post! hehe) But I am sure that every time you post I will say "Oh, here we go again! Another topic about Louise!" I know that you are really fond of dogs... I am too! I have Jaru (Shitzu) and Kim (half Spitz/ half 'Askal' hehe) But in your situation, May I ask what do you mean Louise should be put down? Kill him? Well, that is not the solution... I think he should be put into a cage... Or just inside of you house..Or your room... He will just give you a headache if you want him to socialize... He is a dog... He will socialize on his own terms... If you really want to invest with him, then continue in his training school... But I will tell you that you still gonna have a headache and a hole in your pocket... Anyway, come to think of it, having a dog should not be a pain in the neck (or a s s?) Be practical... Next time, if you want to have a dog, get Shitzu... hehe... Cheer up!
@ericpapasit (1274)
• Philippines
14 Jun 10
I pray for you but just be relaxed ok, everything will be fine
@trivera67 (108)
• United States
14 Jun 10
I am sorry for all you are going through Candy with Louise and that lunatic mother. She sounds like the type that looks for any reason to cause drama even if it is at her own kids expense. I would not if she pressed for anything more from you give in to her. You already did your fair share,taking her daughter to not only one hospital but also getting a second opinion from another doctor. In the future I would keep Louise away from children and perhaps also large crouds of people,it sounds like to me she gets to anxious and acts out in a negative way. I will pray for you that things work out for the best and that you don't have any further problems with this lady or Louise.