Congressman assaults college student on North Carolina streets....
By xfahctor
@xfahctor (14118)
Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 responses
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Jun 10
That is just crazy. I mean, we've all seen congressman, senators, judges, and other high level public servants say and do stupid things on camera, but this one just takes the cake. I do find the number of liberals defending him on youtube rather amusing. It just shows that some people will defend anything done by someone with the appropriate letter next to their name.
Oh, and just so nobody claims it's a splice job or some such crap, here's the unedited video from the guy's camera phone. Good thing there were two of them so you saw a second view of what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZKie0Z4kaw
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
14 Jun 10
I am a liberal, and I am not going to defend this man. Then again, I am disgusted with Republicans and Democrats at the moment.
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Before it's over, the college students will have beat up the poor Ethridge and he will have just been defending himself against hooligans. Keep watching CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS and any other fun liberal channel.
The poor kids will probably be put under a jail before this is over and done.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
14 Jun 10
Wow, Wow, Wow! Is he insane? The young man was perfectly polite an Etheridge was downright creepy with his weird "who are you" manta! As a politician one would think he would know how to act even for an impromptu interview.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Thank you Taskr36 for setting skysuccess straight in such an eloquent and clear manner. I could never have said it as well as you so again I thank you!
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I'm not really concerned over other cultures in this as both the kids, and the congressman were Americans with no indication of a different cultural upbringing.
"what if these students aren't who they claimed to be"
I don't care, they could be from Mars and still have the right to film and ask questions on a public street.
"Can we be sure that the students had not been stalking him?"
We can't be sure they aren't from Mars, but I don't see you assuming they are. Why should we assume they were stalking him when he himself didn't even make that claim before, or after the incident.
"Why did they have to mosaic their faces?"
Who cares
"Can you also assure everyone here that the video had not been doctored?"
The congressman himself acknowledged the complete truth of what happened in the video when he apologized.
"Last of all, how would you feel or react if you or your love ones are being stalked and VIDEOED in this manner?"
Well you apparently don't know what stalking is. Frankly I think REAL victims of stalking would be offended that you would use such a term to describe a boy who asked a simple question on a public street.
How would I react? I'd say "No" and continue walking.
I recommend you learn about what stalking is so you don't sound like a fool using such a term. It is a serious crime and not one to be treated so casually. Asking a congressman ONE question on ONE occasion on a public street does not fit ANY definition of stalking ANYWHERE in this country.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/nij/topics/crime/stalking/welcome.htm
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
15 Jun 10
whiteheather39,
I like to ask for a matter of clarification here where you commented and I quote: "...where I do not have to be so submissive” I don't think there's any suggestion of mine here about being submissive.
And, where you commented: ".....the Asian culture expects it's youth to be almost cowed when addressing a older person" that my dear friend is respect in the Asian aspect since you only interpreted it as some act of "cowardice".
Also, my real concern is actually on every one having their rights to their own privacy. And as far as the video feed is concern I just have my reservations which I have posted earlier.
[u]Out of interest and still on this video, what if these students aren't who they claimed to be? Can we be sure that the students had not been stalking him? Why did they have to mosaic their faces? Can you also assure everyone here that the video had not been doctored?
Last of all, how would you feel or react if you or your love ones are being stalked and VIDEOED in this manner?[/u]
@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
14 Jun 10
If the Democrats didn't look bad before, they look bad now. Then again, politicians in general are looking evil on both sides. I feel like joining a third party because I am so disgusted with the Democrats and the Republicans. These two parties have way too much power, these politicians have way too much power, and we the voters are giving it to them.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Jun 10
Honestly I don't think this does, or at least it shouldn't, make democrats look bad, just this one democrat. Now if the democrats in the house and senate DEFEND his actions the way some morons on youtube have, that is what will make the party look bad.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
14 Jun 10
But Taskr36, you know they are going to! When do the Democrats not come to the aid of their own? When do the Republicans not come to the aid of their own?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Jun 10
Republicans are definitely more likely to turn on one of their party when there's a moral issue like cheating on one's wife or such. Democrats it's pretty rare. Only Blagojevich and Gary Condit have been victims of that and Condit deserved every bit of it. I'll reserve judgment on Blago till after more facts come out.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I know you have gotten mixed reactions. Bottom line, the kids were not doing anything illegal. Annoying maybe but breaking no laws. However, assault IS illegal. And for a Congressman who is supposed to be a role model... well, I will just say... it wrong
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Speak for yourself. This happens all the time debater, and I do mean ALL THE TIME, especially to congressman and senators from both sides. I remember John McCain being ambushed by some woman saying "Why do you think that health insurance should cover viagra and not birth control?" He was stunned, but politely spoke to her to ask what she was talking about. She told him he voted for this (which wasn't entirely accurate). He told her he'd have to look at the record to see what she was referring to and get back to her. He was completely cool and collected and polite despite the fact that she was in his face with a camera and everything.
In fact, I even saw ALAN GRAYSON approached and questioned the same way. He wasn't polite by any stretch of the imagination, but he plainly stated that he won't answer any questions and the person asking should make an appointment with his secretary.
If so many would react this way, why haven't we seen it before?
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Laglen, if someone came up to you out of the blue with a camera and started asking you questions, but wouldn't tell you who they were; What would you do? I bet many of us would have reacted the same way if it happened to US. But, we get all upset when a congressman does it. They are AMERICANS as well!!!!
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Taskr, would YOU react calm and cool if someone started to ask you questions while video taping you, and refused to answer YOUR questions? I agree that he shouldn't have attacked these "students", but I am sure that I am not the only one that would have acted similar to him.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I don't know if I would have handled it like that, but I think I would have been upset that someone whats to ask me questions, but wouldn't answer mine. I don't think any of us would take to kindly of someone video taping us without our permission in public. I don't think he should have grabbed the kid, but the kid should have been honest and told him who he was. What did these "students" have to hide that they couldn't tell him who they were? I hate to disagree with you X, but I am sure that if someone did the same thing to YOU, your reaction wouldn't be far from this.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
15 Jun 10
Clearly, college students asking a member of congress if he supports the president's agenda is only a small part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. That's why they all have cell phones with cameras, so they can tape members of congress defending themselves against impertinent questions. Perhaps when the FTC decides who can and cannot ask questions, videotape anyone, write a blog or have an opinion, these poor, elected officials and the government as a whole will finally be safe from "We the People".
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
15 Jun 10
Well, if I were a congressman and they asked me about my job, I certainly couldn't answer the question or say "no comment" and keep walking. I suppose if I were a public figure and a public servant who was asked about my stance on the issues, I would have no choice but to demand ID and assault them generally until such time as they ceased being so gosh darn curious. Oh, but I would check to make sure the other kid doesn't have a cell phone so my efforts to break the first kid's camera wouldn't have been in vain.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Rollo, how would you feel if someone walked up to you and started to ask you questions, recorded it on video, and then refused to tell you who they were. Would you answer their questions and be happy to do so?
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
14 Jun 10
Rep. Ethridge should be arrested for assault! Have you noticed the complete lack of media coverage on this? You know if it had been a Republican the press would be ALL OVER it and folks would be screaming for this guy's head on a pike, but a democrat does it and all you hear from the MSM is NOTHING.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Jun 10
Well, looks like the media is finally covering it. Now we get to watch it get spun in to an almost unrecognizable version of the event, it's meaning etc. I guess they were just waiting until they got their spin machine tuned up and running on it.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
14 Jun 10
CNN covered it on one of their blogs. They state in the article that the video is "clearly edited". Obviously they didn't bother to find out that the original camera was on the ground after the Congressman knocked it there and the rest of the video came from a cell phone of another student. The audio is the same. They are trying to make it look like a vast right-wing conspiracy.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
14 Jun 10
As a public figure the Congressman is fair game for people to video tape and interview. The student did identify himself and his purpose ("I am a college student and this is for a class project) in a manner that is typical for a school project. Further the student asked repeatedly in a clam voice to be released. To avoid the confrontation all the Congressman had to do was keep walking and say no comment.
This shows what is wrong with out elected officials. They feel that they are above the law and in a class by themselves.
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Sadly it shows how too many politicians feel about the people who put them in office. They feel they are so much above us, so much smarter, so entitled to their jobs, that they don't have to show us respect while demanding it for themselves.
Methinks, sooner than they wish, they will learn differently. People are tired of both parties and their career political terms.
Personally, I think two terms are more than enough for any politician. After that, he should be given a portion - not the full amount - of his salary as retirement, just as the rest of us get - if we are lucky, that is.
@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
15 Jun 10
As I read through some of the discussions on this topic I see lots of people are ready to turn it into a left right issue. In my opinion this is an politician (elite) vs normal citizen issue. If you are a politician or a rich elitist in this country than laws don't seem to apply and if you are a normal citizen than they do, or worse if your a normal citizen than you have no rights, We need some real leaders in this country and get rid of these good ole boys and their power. He kind of looked like he was half out of it to me, like he was hung over.
@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
14 Jun 10
xfahctor,
From the video feed, I feel that the student and his colleague are both equally responsible and seemingly disrespectful to actually start videoing people without seeking the other party's permission. Also, they should have formally introduced themselves before taking people's video and this is a Congressman here.
And, there was a moment of when the students were asked to identify themselves which they had failed to do so repeatedly. So, if I were the Congressman I would confiscate the video camera or cellphone. Retrospectively, the least they could do was to stop whatever they are doing, formally introduce themselves and state their business before continuing with their (which I heard vividly God knows what) project.
I think they are just brash and disrespectful and if it had been a dignitary - they might have been detained or escorted to a safe place to conduct a weapon sweep.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Jun 10
It is perfectly legal to video tape people with out their consent in most states here, no law was broken. There is also no law in ANY state that a person must identify themselves to a member of congress, nor is there any law in any state that forbids disrespecting a member of congress.
However, it is NOT legal to physically grab or shove someone in ANY state unless defending against a physical attack. The congressman broke the law, the student did not, period. I saw no disrespect happening, I saw a student with a camera asking a question of an elected servant.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
14 Jun 10
LetranKnight25 What brought how one feels about the president into this thread or discussion? This was unnecessary, belligerent behaviour from anyone used to being in the limelight as politician are regardless of their party!
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
14 Jun 10
skysuccess Your response make me really happy I live in the USA where I do not have to be so submissive. The young man was very respectful of course it seems that the Asian culture expects it's youth to be almost cowed when addressing a older person.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
14 Jun 10
I saw this today and would have posted about it if I weren't being so lazy, so I am glad you did.
I think the Congressman had every right to ask the student who he was. But the way to ask is to simply ask. When he asked, they told him that they were students doing a project. He might then have asked, students from which institution? They should tell him. But that didn't happen in a civil and constrained manner because the Congressman instead assaulted the young man. Pushing a camera away is one thing, demanding to know who the interviewer is, refusing to answer, these might be fine. But you can't grab someone's arm, refuse to let go and then grab him behind the neck and pull him to you because he asked you a question you didn't want to answer.
They're all scared, they don't want to give answers. They should be scared of a camera when they act like this in front of one.
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@tigeraunt (6326)
• Philippines
15 Jun 10
thats absurd!
i am out of your country and i dont know if the question made him angry or what but he has no right to be physical.
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@LetranKnight25 (33121)
• Philippines
14 Jun 10
Hello Xfahctor,
If such congressman would do such in the Politicians e.g COngressman would do something like that here in the Philippines, he can say goodbye to his career
as for this old guy in the congress. if it's the LAW for people to have the right to video tape a politician, since they're public servants by the way, then why not? he never should have done that in the first place.
but some how i wonder, how come the guy who was recording and asking question, refused to identify themselves, where they can do so.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Jun 10
"but some how i wonder, how come the guy who was recording and asking question, refused to identify themselves, where they can do so. "
The simple answer, because he didn't have to. But the kid was shoved as soon as he asked the question. If he had not shoved him, the kid might even have identified himself. But once the congressman started grabbing and shoving him, I guess he figured, "why bother". With any luck, the congressman will get that identification, when the kid testifies against him in court.
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@skysuccess (8858)
• Singapore
15 Jun 10
LetranKnight25,
Frankly, I have my reservations with these 2 students or unbeknown to all, may even be more.
I just marvel how people can be so conclusive here and since you have been objective - I'd just like to share my concerns further with you.
The student had been videoing the Congressman from a distance till he was within talking distance. Instead of introducing themselves and formally tell the Congressman the purpose of their act - they blatantly asked a political question. Now, they are students and not journalists or reporters or photographers from any media and they just do it.
And when the student felt something amiss due to his undoing he then could not come up with the proper words. Sure, the Congressman will get worked up and if I am not wrong he was actually trying to stop the videoing and since the camera had been passed to another person, the only natural thing for him to do was to grab hold of one of them since they look to be of uncharacteristic like.
Out of all this, I am surprise that people seems to side the students and do not see the students invading the Congressman's privacy? What rights are we talking about when people do not respect others' privacy?
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@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Listen to the tape again. The young men identified themselves as students working on a project. The Congressman never asked WHAT project, but continued to demand Who these people were.
Maybe if the Congressman had asked in a calm voice who they represented, he might have gotten a more detailed answer, but he became a batterer before finding out anything.
Why couldn't he just say, "Sorry, I don't have time. Come see me in my office later." Or, "Sorry, am late for a meeting."
@snapdragons (91)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I think this is just another example of the attitude politicians have these days that they are above the people and, in this case, above the law. There was no good reason for this man to act like he did.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
14 Jun 10
It's okay, X, these guys were clearly Tea Party GOP thugs trying to ambush the congressman. They had it coming - or so you would think reading some of the apologist comments on this footage.
As annoying as it is being ambushed by two guys with cameras, there's no excuse for damaging their property and assaulting them.
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
14 Jun 10
I can see why, but like you said, it illustrates that people can't see past a letter. The sad thing is this shouldn't be about a letter. Battery over a simple question is wrong, and there shouldn't be any question to it.
I wonder if people continue to vote for a man who assaults another for simply walking up with a camera and asking a question?
My bet is: probably. This will be forgotten within the next 2 weeks.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
14 Jun 10
I saw the press conference this guy gave, at least he didn't try to offer any excuses or anything. I did read a lot of the comments on the various videos I have seen on it. It was pretty nauseating. It illustrates something I was trying to avoid in this thread actually, that people can't seem to see past a letter. I didn't really want to turn this in to an Obama/anti-Obama story or a right vs left thing.
@mysticmaggie (2498)
• United States
15 Jun 10
They still go to movies of guys like Sean Penn, who seems to have a second career of attacking photographers.
At what point do politicians and actors, singers, etc, forget they wanted the adulation and that's why they got in the business. When it comes in waves, suddenly the photographers and reporters and yes, even kids doing school projects are horrible and should give them full privacy.
It don't work that way, folks.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I was horrified when I saw this. The arrogance Etheridge displayed, the malicious aggression! I'm glad the kids didn't react with violence.
This must mean that our "servants" are getting nervous about the anger permeating the American voters. When one reacts that way to a simple question, you know that nerves are on edge and our reps are very insecure about their stance on important issues.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Jun 10
The student may have been annoying, but that doesn't justify assault in any state in the US. The congressman was way out of line.
@andy77e (5156)
• United States
16 Jun 10
I hate to say this, but I hate college students. Typically the most arrogant, and yet ignorant people on the face of planet. Living off mommy and daddies money, thinking they know something when they don't know jack.
That said, Bob is a typical politician, who thinks he's above being questioned about anything. We need to vote all these pathetic people out of government. Term limits comes to mind.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
17 Jun 10
After reading every comment, I was convinced that I was the only one who really disliked college students. Now I don't feel so alone.
Some folks just aren't cut out to be politicians. I'm not. And this schmo's certainly not.
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
20 Jun 10
He needs to be removed from Congress and penalized for assault. We can obviously see the kind of nasty corrupt people who are running and ruining our country. It's disgraceful.