Got a question for lawyer.

@Lakota12 (42600)
United States
June 15, 2010 10:40am CST
I do hope we have some lawyers in here. I know a couple that have felonies and they have served their time in jail/prison and the charges was almost 7 years ago. Now when they apply for a job they are told that they cant get one for they have felonies!? Is this right for employers to do this? One has 3 months left before the full 7 years is up and teh other I think was said 6 months before the whole 7 years are up. When they get turned down on jobs doesnt this make them want o go back doing what they were doing? and that just would gt them into trouble again after they have worked so hard to do things right.
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@manokob (19)
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
it may be it may be not. I mean if an ex-convict who had fully served his/her prison term and joins into the mainstream society fails to get a job immediately, then he/she should be patient and look for another means if he/she is willing to do things right. i have an acquaintant who had served 5 years in the callaboss cell and almost found no job when he got out. yet with his patience he learned during his prison years helped him persevere amid the ordeal of being rejected by many employers. his calm approaches and humble endurance was noticed by one wealthy man and he was hired though he did not apply for the job. its just a matter of humble acceptance that once you are a felon then prepare yourself for the consequence. if one is stubborn enough to think that because he cannot find a legitimate job anymore then he resorts to indulge in any malfeasance then let him go ahead and take the risk.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Jun 10
they have served time and have been straight for almostt he 7 years and yes they have worked butt his job was going to be permenent till this came back on them, On this one they had left outthe feloniy stuff and found out later even if they had put it in they wouldnt have been sent out on a job . Just like the other places they tried to sign in for work and these are temp places they couldnt even put in an app for they put down they had felonies. Hope some rich guy finds them and hires them!
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Hi Lakota~ I am not a Lawyer! But, was a Legal Secretary for over 20 years. That isn't why I am responding. My BF/roomate was in prison for 13 years. He has been out for 3 years and is hoping to get off parole next month. But, unfortunately that has nothing to do with his Criminal Record when an employer wants to check! I don't know if it varies from State to State or if the 7 years even matters. The records are not completely dissolved. Depending on what the crime is and what type of job they are going for will also make a difference. It is true that alot of employers will not hire an ex-convict. My BF had someone helping him when he went to get his job. But, unless these people lie on an application and the employer doesn't check and I don't suggest this they may always have a problem! My BF hasn't been able to get a different job yet. He has been at the same job now for almost 3 years and he wants to move on to a better one. Like I said, I don't know everything about the laws and the differ in different states and some employers are willing to hire ex-cons, but being honest is the best thing!
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Thanks for responding and they did tell it all and were turned down for even filling out and app at some places so they lied on this one decided if they ever check them out they would be able to talk to them and explain. oh the 7 years must for thats when it is to go off record hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. and they are almost there one has 3 month left the other 6 months left. They are so close ya wouldnt think it mattered but looks like it does now hmmmmm I just dont know I guess thy wil haveto take temp jobs a day at a time right now. They served their time and are off parole this just dont make since to me when they have gone this long with out so much as a ticket for parking
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I'm no lawyer, but I do know this. It is legal, if that's what you mean by "right." Companies do have the right to hire & fire as they please so long as it's for reasons other than race, creed, etc. Perhaps the bosses fear that they might still be thieves (if that was their crime--you didn't specify), & have to deal with finances, or, if they were child molesters, & they would have to be around children, etc. It may seem harsh, but with such blots on their records, you have to understand, it naturally scares people, & in the case of that last crime, given the rate of recidivism, for good reason! A good reason everyone should think of the consequences in the basic, practical realm, before risking jail! That said, some businesses are, therefore, in a position to protect themselves, & of a mind to give folks second chances. When one breaks the law, one shouldn't expect to be welcomed back into society easily. Trust must be earned. Merely having served one's sentence is in no way proof that one has changed one's ways. In fact, few ever really manage to come out of prison without having been trained in far worse crimes than for what they spent time in prison. This is why children are treated differently by the courts, & are sent to less evil & socially toxic environments than their adult counterparts go to. Even then, they come out knowing far more about how to commit crimes than when they entered. There are agencies which will help the couple find & get jobs. I'd look in the yellow pages for such places, were I them. And you & they could pray for them. Maggiepie "He who knows nothing is nearer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors." ~ Thomas Jefferson
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Yes i do know this and then again they need something to do or it leads to being stupid!
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
16 Jun 10
That's where parents & other role models come in. They should recall their own teen years & come up with ways to keep their kids occupied. It doesn't always mean keeping them entertained; a good Summer job would go a long ways toward keep them from idleness, which is the root problem. That, & just, early on, instilling a good set of ethics into them. These days parents let too many non-creative things glom up their kids' time...things such as TV, mall hanging, & video games. "To parent" is a 24/7 VERB, & far too many people are letting their kids become SEP--Somebody Else's Problem. They need to stop being lazy! Maggiepie "He who knows nothing is nearer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors." ~ Thomas Jefferson
@celticeagle (167070)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Jun 10
If the job is one where the person has to bonded then they couldn't work there if they have felonies. DOn't felonies follow you longer than seven years in some cases? Depends on the circumstances I would think. Hope you get the answers that you seek. Perhaps they need to look into the laws from their side before they apply for certain jobs. Then they aren't so let down and know ahead of time.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Jun 10
naw they dont have to be bonded. and yup they have looked itto it long and hard. I think if they killed some one it would never come off but thats not thier crime! you can read what happened above here. thanks for responding
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@celticeagle (167070)
• Boise, Idaho
17 Jun 10
If they had a good lawyer it could be disponged or whatever. I hate legal problems and political crud. It is just never fare or just. Not too much anyway.
@quita88 (3715)
• United States
15 Jun 10
I have a half brother who will be out of prison in 2012 and he doesn't stand a chance in our world today. I do know cons have to tell an employer his a con and kinda think the employer doesn't have to hire him. I know it doesn't seem right and the guys who are reformed are in deep doo doo if they really want to go straight. I do think you need more info than I know tho. I just know my half brother will not be able to do much as he's been in prison for too long and he is an old man now. Later, huuggssssssssssssssssssssssssss
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
15 Jun 10
No they dont have to hire them in the right to work states!. So now guess what? They will be living with us till these months get gone and then hope they either go back to these people or find other jobs they can get permenent! Poor feller hard when they have been a lifer thats for sure. will only get work frm temp services a day to day bases. sad!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Jun 10
they are in thier 40s one is Jimmys sister the other her hubby. came out here for work for there isnt any work in TEnn. They were working and got let go for being felonons and not letting the 7 years gt over with. Jr is working like day to day but that dont pay rent so they will come to stay with us!
@quita88 (3715)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Ewww, well? About the only thing these guys can do is work when they get a chance and try to prove themselves. You don't say how old they are and if they are able to work or not. I hope they get out and do good and do not find themselves in trouble again.
@kingparker (9673)
• United States
15 Jun 10
In general sense, those people served time before are hard get employed due to their previous record. Most employers won't want these trouble again. Or Like their credit history is ruined already. So, they might search for something else, that is charity work, or something else.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
15 Jun 10
Charity work wont make them money to live on so they will be living with us for awhile
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Jun 10
They were like that in Tenn but finding no jobs in the small town they lived in . they buy clothes from goodwill work when they can but that wont pay the rent here at $180 a week and thats a cheap place! SO they will live with us!
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
16 Jun 10
LAKOTA: I disagree. I know a man who put himself through college working 4 days a week selling flowers on street corners. I paid my rent with the same salary. If they're frugal, even a dishwasher job can sustain them 'til they can get trained for something better. They'll have to get used to eating less expensive food, living in smaller, not-so nice places, maybe walking or taking the bus, & giving up a lot of things most folks think are standard these days (think TV, cell phones, brand name, or even new clothes, etc.), but it can be done, trust me. Maggiepie "He who knows nothing is nearer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors." ~ Thomas Jefferson
@meme0907 (3481)
• United States
25 Jun 10
it's difficult for a felon to get a job even after the time has been served-I know some companies go back in yearly increments like 5,10,20 with the passing of time & a good clean record things will get better for your friends. |:)
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
25 Jun 10
Sure hope so and they have been told they will have a clean record after the whole 7 years are up which wont be long now thanks for your comeback it helps hugssssssssssss
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
Just more reasons why criminals should think about what they are doing and NOT BREAK the LAW! They may have been punished and served their time but they have not yet paid the price....they have brought this upon themselves by committing the crime. They are not the only people this has happened to. Others have gone before them and survived and turned things around...they should work their buns off and figure out what to do instead of bludging off others and expecting everything to suddenly be fine. They had lots of time in prison to work out what they were going to do when they got out...they obviously wasted that time.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
17 Jun 10
They dont have trainng for jobs in Tenn prisons. They set there serve thier time and hope for the best when they got out. They have worked at low paying jobs. and have joined a church and let that take over alot of thier lives. MAin reason they moved here was to be close to poeple that dont get into trouble and to get jobs they hate that they have to come stay with us but this has to work out till thier 7 years are up then hoping then they can move on with both of them working and get thier own place again. Now I have grandson in the Miss. prison system and sure know he will haveto face this when he gets out.LIke in 4 years from now. But thats another story hugsssssss and thanks for your input!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Hi Lakota, I'm not a lawyer but I do know that they can do that. Some won't hire you even if you were charged with a felony even tho it was dropped. When my daughter was 17, her then boyfriend got caught breaking and entering into places. She was not with him during the crimes and was not involved in the crimes but when they arrested him she was wearing a stolen necklace that he had given her. It was a very expensive necklace that he'd stolen. She had no idea that it was stolen but got arrested and because of it's value was charged with a felony. Later the charge was dropped. She was working at Petco. When they discovered that she had been charged with a felony they fired her on the spot even though the charges had been dropped. Almost all jobs applications ask if you have ever been charged with a felony. Some places will hire you anyway but many won't. I think it must be legal for them to deny you for that reason.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
16 Jun 10
now that is bad to be charged then dropped but it hangs on grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. in a right to work state they dont even have to tell you why you are let go and thier boss man wanted to keep them had worked all weekend trying to keep them on but was the higher ups that canceled it all out but they were told when the 7 years ar up to come back but I person could stave in that time even if one is only 3 months away from the 7 yers! Makes ya upset when you watch peopel struggle doing good then get dumped on like this!
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Ya it was a tough time for her. It kept coming back to bite her it seemed every job she held for a while. It's been a few years and she is doing better now. Still, it is wrong. She was proven innocent of the charges. She really paid dearly for her bad choices in men and friends she was keeping with at the time.
@rameshchow (4426)
• India
17 Aug 10
Here you all discussing about big big matters......... I am so junior compare with you, and i hope i am not eligible to answer this discussion, but i want to asking is "I am going study law, is this discussion useful for me?". Care to enlighten me...
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
18 Aug 10
Look it over and see what you can find out about this am sure would be of big help to find thisd out before ya study law . NOt sure you would ever have this synario to work with but would come in hand if you were a parol officer! GL