When does being frugal/thrifty turn into hoarding?

@speakeasy (4171)
United States
June 15, 2010 6:21pm CST
We have all heard about people who hoard things. There are even television shows that focus on hoarders. They claim there are 5 stages of hoarding and that even a person who has a "collection" is the mildest form of hoarder. But, with today's economy the way it is - it makes sense to be frugal/thrifty and save things to be reused or recycled. Throwing away everything you are not currently using (or have not used in the last year) fills up the landfills and ends up costing you money the next time you need that item you threw away. So, at what point does being frugal/thrifty stop being a good thing and turn into something bad (hoarding)?
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@puccagirl (7294)
• Israel
23 Jun 10
I would say it is a bad thing as soon as it turns obsessive, and that it takes too much of your time, or you feel bad as soon as you throw something out. If being thrifty gets in the way of your life in general, you have a problem. It should really be a part of your life, not your general way or life or purpose in life!
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@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
24 Jun 10
Definately, if being thrifty starts to take over your life, that is a bad thing. Some people turn being "thrifty/frugal" into a way of life. But, it doesn't always turn into hoarding even for people who are excessively thrifty (misers). My point in this discussion is that there is no clear cut point at which saving things to be thrifty/frugal become hoarding. Eveyone agrees that the severe cases of hoarding are hoarding and are bad. But, at what point does a thrifty person slip over the line and become a hoarder. Even professionals disagree on that point and that is why they have 5 levels of "hoarding"; with people who simply have a collection being considered the mildest form of a hoarder. Even though, most people see nothing wrong with collecting something and do not consider that "hoarding" at all.
@vandana7 (100617)
• India
16 Jun 10
Hi speakeasy - an interesting discussion. I think being frugal is alright. It makes sense to be a hoarder sa well in your country I suppose. Out here, it doesnt. We have everything available at walking distances. Out there it would be difficult to do it. So may be some people turn into hoarders as it would require them to search a lot for same thing, or be expensive. It depends upon personal requirements, where the person stays, income of the person, etc. In my case, keeping somethings even for a six months may amount to hoarding. :) (I hoard soaps - they are given free with toilet cleaners, I cant use up as many). :)
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Personally, I think it is a matter of what is being hoarded and whether it affects your life or not. If it really is trash/rotting garbage - that is hoarding. Also, if there is no room in your home for you because of all the things you have accumulated - that is also hoarding.
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@GardenGerty (160949)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Frugality becomes hoarding when it interferes with the functioning of your day to day life. If you cannot sit on the sofa, or walk through the house for the stuff that is there, it is hoarding, even if it happens to be "good" stuff. I have to fight this battle with myself, to some degree, and with every member of my family. I am ready to turn loose of some stuff, and organize the rest, but sometimes I cannot get any cooperation.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
I will accumulate things for a while myself and then go on a "cleaning binge" and get rid of a lot of stuff. I have a problem with my husband though. He wants to collect and keep everything he gets even if he will never need or use it again. We have gone back over his life and traced the roots of his problem to his mother and father. His father was in the military and they moved around a lot. Come moving day, his mother would wait till the kids were at school or out to play and then go through their things and get rid of a lot of their stuff without any input from them. He grew up being afraid that his prized possessions would suddenly just be thrown away and now he "clings" to his things even though he knows I will not get rid of "his stuff" without him saying it is alright.
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• United States
16 Jun 10
It's funny how our parents influence us so much. We react to our parents' lifestyles and sometimes do the opposite, while other times we cling to it and emulate them. In many ways I am my mother's daughter while in other ways I'm totally different.
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
16 Jun 10
It's a matter of what your holding on to. The dirty paper plate with leftovers from last weeks lasagna dinner that's been sitting on the counter does not need to be saved. The half eaten apple stuffed between the sofa cushions doesn't need to be kept either. Hoarders tend to form some weird emotional attachment to their junk. They literally bury themselves under litter because they can't let go of anything.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
And, those are some very sick, sad people. But, we all form emotional attachments to things that others would consider worthless - some examples are - foreign stamps, collectable plates, and how about those tiny collectable spoons that are completely unusable. With the decaying food issue, that can have several causes. - being too lazy to clean up, being to ill or weak to clean up, and being lectured when younger about wasting food. Throwing away "perfectly good food" may be an issue that has been "drilled into them" and now they cannot throw it away even when it is obviously no longer "perfectly good food" anymore. (Or, it may simply be too disgusting to touch to throw away at that point!) I know I have occasionally found a container of leftovers that was pushed back into a corner of my refrigerator that was so disgusting - I threw it out container and all!
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@uath13 (8192)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Yea, I'm probably doing a little of that tonight. There's a few meals that have been...forgotten. At least They're getting thrown out & not stuck in a corner to continue rotting.
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• United States
16 Jun 10
LOL...I used to clean house for a friend who lived in a cockroach infested apartment. One day I found a honeycombed half apple between the stove and the counter. I took it to her husband and showed him..."You know you wouldn't have so many cockroaches if you didn't feed them so well." I told him. He just chuckled. It's amazing what some people do.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
22 Jul 10
there is a difference between hoarding and being thrifty i think. the difference is being thrifty is saving money, looking for the best deals etc but hoarding is just keeping anything and everything.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
22 Jul 10
Personally, I think it is more of a matter of "excess". Hoarders do not always end up "just keeping anything and everything". Many of them have specific patterns to their hoarding - example - things that are all the same color or shape. There are a few who keep absolutely everything; but, those are the extreme cases of hoarding. Many hoarders start out being thrifty and saving things that have the potential to be reused - egg cartons, newspapers, empty cans and jars, etc. All of these are items that can be reused in small quantities; but, in excess become a problem.
@RobtheRock (2433)
• United States
16 Jun 10
I agree that holding on to filthy things such as plates and things is bad. But there are some people who hold on to things that eventually get dirty and they can't afford to clean them. Yet, the things are worth something. I collect coins, stamps, books, and other things. Most of my stuff is in storage. I also have some collectibles and am afraid that because of all the stuff I've saved, the "money" things might be thrown away when I die. I also have a habit of saving all paper trails such as bills. One reason I do it is because some folks have a tendency to approach you years later and say you haven't paid for this or that. I hate having a lot of junk in my place. But some things must be done. As for hoarding, I know if they do right, my loved ones will be able to cash in on what I've saved.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
22 Jun 10
Yes, you do need a will and you do not need to pay a fortune to get one - here is a site where you can prepare your own will for free - http://www.free-legal-document.com/how-to-write-a-will.html I am glad to hear you have not been paying a lot for your "collectibles". A wise person once said you should "only collect things that you enjoy yourself" because they are not a sure thing for an investment.
• United States
17 Jun 10
I think collections are OK and I think they can be great hobbies. I think it really starts to become a problem when you're constantly going out and looking for things to buy. It becomes a 'need' instead of a want to go out and add to your collection or to save a little bit of money. I like saving money but I don't go and buy something simply because it's on sale and I have a coupon. I use coupons for the things that I need and use. Nothing more.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
18 Jun 10
"I like saving money but I don't go and buy something simply because it's on sale and I have a coupon." - lol This reminds me of my ex-husbands mother. She saw a great sale on toilet paper and went out and stocked up. The stuff was so harsh that after making the mistake of using it once every one else went out and got some of our own which we would always sneak into the house and take with us to the bathroom to avoid using her toilet paper. Even her daughter who was going to school and living with her was bringing home toilet paper from the school to use. I do have to admit, she did save a lot of money on toilet paper during that fiasco; but, she was the only one using it and she lept wishing she would hurry up and run out of it so she could buy something softer. Her stockpile of this cheap stuff lasted her almost a full year and everyone was much happier when it was gone.
@elmiko (6630)
• United States
16 Jun 10
when your on that tv show.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Sorry, but, you won't see me on one of those shows anytime soon. I don't have near enough "stuff".
@nicholejade (2430)
• Canada
16 Jun 10
I know this topic all too well. My grandfather was a huge hoarder. Everything from chicken wires, to old cars (that do not run, rusted out buckets), to paint that is years old. My mother also has the same disease. It is a mental illness that has affected my entire family. It got so bad at one point that we gave her a set date she had to get rid of it. She saved alot of things over the years and some things she didnt know she had. Being thrifty/frugal is that same thing. But some people who are being frugal/thrifty aren't so bad. It's the ones who are hanging onto clothing that they haven't worn in 6+ months. They even say that you should clean your dressers and closets every 6 months and get rid/donate the stuff that you are not using. There are people who will save napkins, ketchup, mustard, relish packets etc, newspapers etc and it just keeps piling up. That is just too excessive for me. Yeah I would save a few things but not it all. Newspapers do add up pretty fast as well as fast food condiments as well if you eat out enough. Thankfully my mom is slowly turning around and we have actually watched what she buys and we give her an allowance. There has been lots of wasted money through the years as she has clearly seen while cleaning this stuff up.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
18 Jun 10
Personally, I think 6 months is was too fast especially for clothes. I do go through clothes to make sure they still fit each season; but, if they do fit (unless I can't imagine why I ever bought an item in the first place) it goes back into the closet. Some items are strictly vacation/resort wear and I do not always get a chance to actually go on vacation every year or maybe just once a year. Halloween costumes may be saved for several years before they can be reused without everyone recognizing it as "last years costume" and don't forget the wedding dress - even if you never wear it again yourself most people want to keep it for a daughter or granddaughter to wear. Food condiments I simply open and add to a jar in the refrigerator when it starts to get low; because otherwise they would just accumulate. Newspapers, they boy scouts have a newspaper recycling bin in the city near us - almost 20 miles away. We store them in a small shed until we have enough to fill the back of our hatchback and we take them in and dump them when we have a full load. But, it is very easy for all these things to accumulate if we don't periodially go through them.
@Krisaea (114)
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
It is good to be frugal and thrifty at the same time. Some people are just tired of having old and used things around them. But personally, i am fond of saving useful or recyclable things. Those boxes, cans etc that can be use for anything else were save but i use them . I do not just put them in the corner.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Personally, I think there are extremes in both directions - people who cannot throw anything away and people who throw all sorts of things away even when they are practically new and still usable. I have personally known both types of people and really do not understand either one.
• United States
16 Jun 10
Being frugal or thrifty is not really the same thing as hoarding I don't think. Hoarders have a lot of things they don't need while someone who is thrifty might not throw away some old clothes but they don't continue to buy clothes too. I believe that some people who collect things are would be hoarders, too.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
So, if they don't throw away old clothes and do buy new clothes to go along with them - they are hoarding?
@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
22 Jun 10
LOL...I still have to insist that frugality saves money, hoarding saves stuff. When I think of hoarding, I think of the old woman in "Labyrinth". If you've seen that movie, you'll know what I mean. This woman carried all sorts of stuff strapped to her back, so much that she was bent over like an old crone. She was handing the girl things, "Oh, you need your teddy bear!" "Oh, you can't go without this pretty little mirror." That sort of thing. Finally the girl stopped her and said, "This is all just stuff!" When we collect stuff it clutters our lives and we get devastated when we lose our "stuff"...such as in a fire or earthquake. Amassing stuff weighs us down and diminishes our freedom. Being frugal, on the other hand frees us and makes it possible to enjoy life to its fullest because we have to evaluate our own priorities in order to know what we can do without. I am extremely frugal but have never saved anything that I don't use on a regular or at least semi-regular basis. My resources are extremely limited so I don't spend money on things that many do regularly, such as cable TV or a new car. Being frugal is finding stuff that you can make do with and throwing out stuff that has no value. Frugality helps the savings account grow. Hoarding crowds your home with things that you never use. I recycle all the time. In fact, if I'm out on a walk and find cans or bottles that I know I can turn in at the store for cash, I collect them...but then I turn them in for the cash. I don't save newspapers because there is nowhere nearby to turn them in to recycle. The bottom line is, do the things you are saving get used or not? Do they help you live without spending your money or do they suck your savings dry? Frugality carried to the extreme is not hoarding, but being miserly. The two words, Frugal and Hoard are not even synonyms.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
23 Jun 10
I think you have summed it up nicely; but, many hoarders believe they are being frugal and other people believe they have to throw everything away immediately if they aren't going to use it in just a day or two. Determining the dividing line between frugality and hoarding is what makes this so interesting.
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@breisa (165)
• New Zealand
16 Jun 10
lol... God this reminds me so much of my mom! She didn't threw away/donate all of our used clothing, and other random things. They just stay in the mini garbage pool in our house, aka the attic. :( I guess it becomes so bad when you begin to hoard lots of irrelevant things. Instead of recycling, it just makes more garbage inside the house. I really hate it when that happens.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Many people have alwasy saved things for future use (thrifty/frugal). Childrens clothing and furniture for future children/grandchildren. Photos (though now these are digital and stored on-line). Old letters - though many people now use email. Wedding dresses. Attics have been treasure troves for people to go through providing glimpses of our past/history). I think a lot of the problem is that we no longer have big roomy attics or cellars to store things in any more and our houses/apartments can only hold so much stuff!
• Singapore
16 Jun 10
think it is a personal thing. In my opinon, when someone is being frugal/thrifty , his actions do not affect you. But when the same person is said to be hoarding, his actions can affect you directly/indirectly
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Can you explain more? If you are hoarding, how would that affect me or vice versa? Also, if someone is being frugal/thrifty, doesn't that affect me by making more available for me?