Length of discussion topic
@allknowing (138003)
India
June 16, 2010 12:10am CST
I just came across a discussion which ran into thousands of words which makes reading an effort and invariably I am sure users would rather skip it than give their response. You guessed it right. I skipped it. And that I suppose is the only way in discouraging those who present pastorals here! What is your opinion on this? Should not the discussion topic be short and to the point?
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
17 Jun 10
I have left many comments here before leaving my own response and here all I want to say (again) is that we ALL have a choice whether we read or write long or short topics when starting a discussion.
A thought crossed my mind while arrivig this far: should your theory about allowing only short topics also be adopted for the responsea? BAsically your idea is that myLot should prohibit us from doing what we enjoy most? They give us guidelines not rules and they leave it up to us from then on. It is up to us to respond on the topics that we prefer, regardless of whether they are long or short. That is up to each individual Lotter. If a topic is long and the response is irrelevant then it can be reported but there are many of us who have no problems if the topic is long, if it is interesting and well set out, and we welcome them.
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@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
18 Jun 10
OMG, limit the number of words I'm allowed to leave in a response, I can't take it. I will have to leave mylot again. I stopped by quite few boxes that you left comments in if you would like to continue.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
18 Jun 10
Yes. I have read and re-read your comments and counter comments elsewhere Diana and they all make sense. As you said somewhere to each his/her own. I was only concerned that those long winded topics and comments and counter comments do not get bypassed because of their length.Users may not express it in words but I am sure there will be many here who do bypass them for want of time. This is my observation and surely I am allowed it voice it!
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@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
16 Jun 10
Well I enjoy the longer discussions most of the time. It shows that the discussion starter took the time to express themselves. Usually giving lots of details and makes a discussion much easier to continue with, with so many different directions available to take the discussion in.
On top of reading the long discussions, I also read through all the responses prior to responding (as asked by mylot). That way if I only can say the same thing that all other mylotters have said then I just can comment rather than repeating the same thing.
Your right that some of the longer ones, people will just skip over and that's perfectly ok, as there are many discussions started everyday that you can move on to. I don't think a limit of words for length should be set but for shortness I would be all for. I hate reading 2 line discussions, they mosly require no thought for a response and you can see those discussions don't have the back and forth going on most of the time.
Everyone has their own way of going through discussions, I actually look for specific discussion starters to respond to first. Some will skip everything that isn't under 5 lines. Others will only answer topics in certain interests. That's what makes mylot so interesting, you never know what you will find from one day to the next.
One last thought, I hope you read long responses. As always just my 2 cents worth!!! Happy Mylotting!!!
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
17 Jun 10
I have only recently become aware of Beanie and that instance was during an extremely long dicussion, with pages of responses all with many comments. I can confirm that Beanie had read everything before commenting to me and since then, and after adding each other to our lists, I am now aware of her activty and I love how she participates.
I agree that everyone has their own way of dealing with topics and that many of us, as soon as we see particular users have started a topic, will pounce on it because we know that there will be a lot of interaction.
A long topic often gives the chance to respond with lengthy responses then comments too and many of us enjoy doing that. I would not like to see any limits set at all. We have choices here and we are free to do almost anything that we please. I would like to see it remain that way
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
17 Jun 10
Beanie, I agree with you on all points. I also read the entire discussion and responses before responding. We have encountered each other quite often, because we both do this, and I believe that is how we became friends ... through interacting and responding to each other in many different response boxes on numerous discussions.
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@allknowing (138003)
• India
17 Jun 10
This for once is not worth just 2 cents but much more as I am going to mark it as the Best Response![em]thumbup[/em. But let me wait for a couple of days more.
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@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Tough question to answer for me. I have responded to some pretty lengthy discussions, and my responses themselves were pretty lengthy.
I guess you could say it has to be a discussion that's in my interests of course and I usually know this by the first paragraph.
In other instances, if it was a casual interest of mine and I find the discussion is too long, I don't bother with it, but other people do. So, I guess they don't find it too long.
Sometimes the one's that are short and to the point, I find myself asking them questions to get more information, haha. I guess you can say none of this really bothers me that much, I like short and long.
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@Theresaaiza (10487)
• Australia
16 Jun 10
I tend to skip extra long discussions too unless if they greatly interest me. We really cannot force people into making their discussions to a length that one or two persons prefer. it's their own life. But yes, you have an option to skip it. It's also a challenge for us because we learn tips on how to generate responders from the mistakes of others.
A post of 4-6 lines is fine with me. Your disc was fine with me. Have a nice day!
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@allknowing (138003)
• India
18 Jun 10
A post of 4-6 lines packing what one wants to say is not impossible!
@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
17 Jun 10
It seems that my definition of a "short" discussion is much different than many other people's definition of it. I read people saying that a good length for a discussion is seven to twelve lines. That is probably one of my shortest discussions. I do tend to write longer discussions, but I also try to make them interesting and capture the reader's attention and interest. If I do that is wonderful. If I don't, then they can just move on to the next one that catches their eye, especially if it is only one or two lines. That is fine with me.
I have my own writing style. I take pride in my writing ability, and I will not shorten it to satisfy people that don't want to be bothered to read more than a few lines. Just as I have the right to make lengthy discussions, they have the right to ignore them. The variety here is what appeals to many people, in my opinion.
The thing that I find most interesting, though, is that I have noticed that the people that take the time to write longer discussions also take the time to comment back to all the responders. The shorter discussions, especially the ones with only one or two lines, seem to be the ones that have no back and forth interaction between the original poster of the discussion and the responders, which would be the point of a discussion, right? I am not saying that is the case with all of them, but just keep that in the back of your mind during your travels around myLot and see if you notice the same thing.
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@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
18 Jun 10
Hello PA, I have to say the same thing that my definition of a short discussion would probably be around 12 lines I too love to have lengthly and interesting discussions (well of course by my definition of interesting). The short ones while I may participate to a degree are near as fun to me as the long ones. I like it when a mylotter takes the time to give me details to a discussion instead of making me guess what they were trying to say.
I agree that the discussions that are longer do tend to respond back and the one liners don't. I believe this is due to the misconception that they are earning for the responses to their discussions and of course you and I know this isn't the case. They are also the ones that start one 2 liner discussion after another in a lot of cases, never bothering to comment to any. I always wonder do they rate the responders???
As always PA I enjoy interacting with you here at mylot.
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@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
2 Aug 10
Beanie - I do think that some people are under the misconception that you earn more for getting more responses on your discussion, which is not true. If you get a lot of responses, then you have more opportunity to earn, because you can choose to comment back to everyone and further the discussion. However, you can do the same thing with fewer responses as long as everyone involved is actively participating in the discussion, especially if they jump around into different response boxes. Similarly, if the original poster of the discussion does not choose to comment back in the discussion, then they do not earn more no matter how many responses the discussion receives.
Allknowing - I do understand what you are trying to say here. You think that the discussion topic, what we first type when we "start a discussion", should be short and to the point, because not only will it give you more opportunity to expand on the topic in the response boxes but also more members might choose to respond to shorter discussion topics. I agree that some members do overlook the longer initial discussion topics due to their length. I also know that some members will avoid discussion topics that they think are too short. I think it is all a matter of personal preference and neither is necessarily right or wrong, unless of course it is too short and violates the Guidelines.
I also know that you, Allknowing, do actively participate in the discussion, meaning back and forth interaction. I do not think that anyone that has read you on here would argue with that.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
18 Jun 10
Dividing topics using fews words and many words having the distinction of them being responded/commented and counter commented differently is not what I would endorse. Any topic be it using few words or thousands getting attention depends on how eye catching they are. My only point was because of their length good topics sometimes get bypassed.
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@mturacom (632)
• India
16 Jun 10
Ya, making the discussion short and to the point is necessary for getting better responses. If it is a big one then most of the people don't even read completely and just respond thinking about the idea they got in initial few lines. And sometimes we get off topic responses as they might miss the main object of the discussion.
I myself am a bit lazy at reading complete discussion and either just skip it or respond by just guessing what it is about.
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@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
18 Jun 10
This also means that when the discussion is too short and the responses are even shorter it gives little room for continued interaction, thus everyone here for earnings looses. If people didn't have to search around so much for discussions they want to participate in but could just have 2 or 3 a day that they responded and commented too, wouldn't that be so much more fun. How about earn the same amount or even more, by keeping a discussion going??? Sounds like more fun to me!!! As always just my 2 cents worth!!!
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
17 Jun 10
If we don't read the entire topic before responding we also risk losing our response as it would be irrelevant. If we cannot spare the time to read we should not even attempt to respond.
Have you noticed that the discussions with a short few lines as the topic often have shorter responses than those with a longer topic? Surely this means that many Lotters enjoy them?
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
That is the sorry state of affairs - reading half way through, totally misunderstanding the topic and giving wrong opinions and responses can confuse everyone resulting in wastage of time and energy!!!
@Buchi_bulla (8298)
• India
16 Jun 10
I totally agree with you allknowing. In the little time that is available for many of us to spend time in internet, we try to respond to maximum discussions and in between we must find time to put our own discussion too now and then. We will not have so much time to spare for a single discussion. If my friend starts, then I will read, otherwise I will skip that discussion.
@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
18 Jun 10
I elaborated on this in response #5. Making the same or more responses/comments each day by just visiting 2 or 3 discussions per day. However this would require participation of course from multiple mylotters, I see this done in a small group of people here at mylot and they also never complain about not getting to payout each month either. So I say they must be doing something right to just bounce back and forth in a few discussions. Hmmmmm food for thought!!!
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
17 Jun 10
Assuming that the majority of myLotters are here for the earnings, responding to maximum discussions is not necessarily the most effective way to earn here. It is more worthwhile to spend time furthering the topic in several responses with extra backwards and forwards comments rather than to spend the same amount of time responding on many discussions,
Both admin Alice and the FAQs make it quite clear that myLot is not a questions & answers site but that it is for discussions - and discussing is where the earnings lie.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
There could be some good discussions that many of us skip because of the length of the discussion which could be avoided so that due justice is given.
@echomonster (2226)
• Greenwood, Mississippi
16 Jun 10
For me, it all depends on the topic. If it's interesting, I'm not going to let the length dissuade me from reading it. What if I'd let the length of War & Peace or other great novels dissuade me from reading them? I would've lost many hours of reading pleasure and be a less educated and cultured person today. Shorter discussions in general do work better for discussions, but sometimes a complicated topic does need to be longer than the norm.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
How is one to know if the topic is interesting unless one goes through the entire 'pastorol'? If you have the time surely no one stops you from sitting through any number of lengthy discussions but sadly so many such discussions are skipped as most who are here are short of time.
@echomonster (2226)
• Greenwood, Mississippi
16 Jun 10
Oh, I don't agree there...I can generally tell if a discussion is going to be interesting to me based on the subject and the first few sentences of the message. Unless the writer has a very indirect style and starts off talking about something unrelated to the main topic, the beginning of the message sets the stage for the rest of it.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
17 Jun 10
If you see some of the lengthy topics here the subject has nothing to do with the topic per se!
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
18 Jun 10
hi allknowing I dislike most those posts of one or two sentences in which a bunch of seemingly unrelated words are put together and I try to understand it but it makes no sense At times when I know this is a person who does not have English as their native language so I ask them politely to tell me what they were asking. I do read those long ones that belong to mylot friends list as they have always had a reason to be long. I do necessarily leave all long ones alone as sometimes they are really interesting and show a wealth of details. too short is often not to the point as sometimes its just a few words that again are hard to know what they want. Usually I find if I make a discussion of four or five sentences that do show what I want, I well get many responses.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Jun 10
sorry allknowing I will reread it as I seemed to have got the
horse before the cart. ah topic I see so I do apologize as I
must have been in too much of a hurry.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Jun 10
hi again now I understand and thats odd. I wonder if this person was thinking of writing a book and got carried away by his or her topic.
Yes we do not need to write a long winded introduction to our discussion
as that will defeat the purpose of the discussion. I think most of my topics have been a paragraph or two as i did not have time nor did I want to try to write a short story. he he.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
19 Jun 10
I feel sad that my topic of discussion is not understood by you. Is it because it is too short?If you read it again you will see that I am only referring to the topicand not the discussion. In another of my topics I have referred to the benefit of having long discussions - responses, comments and counter comments in order that, that topic gets the status of 'discussion'
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Jun 10
I will read an extremely long discussion if it's posted by a friend but, otherwise, I skip the very long ones too. I prefer the short and to the point ones as well. We're all here for basically the same reason...to earn by posting...so if it takes too much time to read the discussion, it defeats the purpose of being here.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
There are other sites that have rules that state the number of words within which one should frame the discussion/response.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
17 Jun 10
'There are other sites that have rules that state the number of words within which one should frame the discussion/response.'
Each site has its own rules. There are none here on myLot that state how much or how little should make a topic for discussion but we are told that we have a choice - to respond or to move on.
@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
18 Jun 10
@ mysd, I would be so disappointed if mylot only allowed us so many words when starting a discussion.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
15 Jun 11
I actually like detail when it comes to discussions..especially if it is an important subject to me. Sometimes it is the only way that one can give a fair response. However, I have seen discussions that were so long they were hard to read. I think there is a happy medium. Not too long and not too short.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
17 Jun 11
It is a good thing when a discussion comes back to life JenInTn. I respond to yours because I find them interesting!
@allknowing (138003)
• India
15 Jun 11
My topic is about 'topic' and not discussions. I too like long responses. Anyway glad that you have brought to life this discussion which is 13 months old.
@homeshoppers (6166)
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
if it interest me then i will read them but if seems that they just copy and paste it in the other site instead of just giving the link to it then perhaps i will skip it. theres too many interesting topic in long discussions where we can also get some idea to share with.
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@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
My point is unless one goes through the length and breadth of the discussion it is bound to be not understood resulting in giving wrong responses. Invariably users only read the heading and mess up the discussion!!
@annavi23 (6522)
• Philippines
16 Jun 10
hi allknowing,it depends i guess on what topic is the user is stating.
well,some users here really have been doing very long ones which i can say seems boring to read,but it also depends on what kind of topic is he/she is stating.
some would elaborate more of their started ones so they can gain responders to it, some just go straight to the point that leaves just two lines of their started ones. i don't like the very short topics here there were one or two liners,my friend!
i would love to read more from each other's users topics for they can be relevant or interesting topics to read and respond upon.whatever it is,i want to learn while earning here. and reading while learning with other's thoughts is such a great opportunity here. all of us will learn from each other day by day.
but i would love to read if it is very interesting topic,sometimes there were topics whih the title itself catches my attention and i hardly read on its contents cause sometimes it's contents would be boring hen i just respond on however the title goes.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
As long as one has the time to read through it is fine but many a time the topic is read through half way and response given which is irrelevant to the topic. May be there is a point there in that, that in itself could initiate a new discussion "I did not mean that actually I meant bla bla bla..."!
@annavi23 (6522)
• Philippines
20 Jun 10
yes,if some users here would be more specific on giving or starting their own discussions,make it more relevant and straight to the point,having those super over lengthy ones would make others feel bored or lazy to read the whole thing so they respond on what they know about just the title itself.without knowing the whole topic being discussed.i also do like to state that i hope those who wants to respond take time to read the whole thing before responding to make our discussions more useful and straight to the point.
@oldchem1 (8132)
•
16 Jun 10
I think that it all depends on the subject matter' some points do need a much longer article than others.
I tend to be guilty of writing long responses if It is something that I am interested in like a book,film or holiday - my fingers get a little carried away!!
However I do enjoy reading longer discussions if they are that type because you get interested in them.
Other times 2-3 lines is enough to say it all!!
@beaniefanatic13 (5076)
• Grand Junction, Colorado
18 Jun 10
@ PA, I bet you keep those discussions open all day too, checking on responses that have been made to see if you can add more comments to the discussion???
@purplealabaster (22091)
• United States
17 Jun 10
I have to agree that longer discussions that capture your interest and draw you in do not seem that much of a bother to read. If they are not interesting, on the other hand, then even short discussions can seem too long.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
I was saying it in the interest of the one who puts up a discussion that runs into several words because not many have the patience to go through the entire 'pastoral' resulting in giving responses that do not help the discussion in question,.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
3 Aug 10
Hi!
I think too much lengthy discussion could prove to be a deterrent and one may not like to respond to it because everyone does not have unlimited time to read lengthy discussions. I also would skip very lengthy discussions. When I start a discussion, I try to keep it to the point so that others could read it without spending much time and could come out with their views. One of the best friends here on mylot, would always start a one line discussion and his discussions are so witty and interesting that he would get many responses to his discussions (now a days, he appears to be in hibernation).. I think short and crispy discussions get more responses and I would prefer to start or respond to short discussions.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
3 Aug 10
all!
Many thanks for your kind words about my topics. I feel humbled and honoured. I agree that shorter and brief and to the point response and comments look better.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
3 Aug 10
I enjoy reading your topics and responses which are always crisp and to the point. This is a place where people come for relaxation and time is of the essence. Hence the crispier and shorter the input the better it would be for all.
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@rosekiss (30414)
• Eugene, Oregon
16 Jun 10
I have responded to long discussions, especially if the topic interested me. It really doesn't bother me all that much if they are long or short, as the ones that are long, to me, can be good because they are well thought out and the person who started it, put a lot of time into it, sayi9ng what they wanted to say, and made the discussion as descriptive as they could. Now, there have been long ones that I have started to read, and as I would get into them, I realized that I just didn't have anything to say back, so I would just skip them. I really don't care one way or the other if the discussion is long or short, as long as I have something to add to it. Good luck to you adn happy mylotting.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
17 Jun 10
If one has the patience as you have to go through the lengthy topic meticulously and respond accordingly nothing like it but I have seen users giving responses that are not relevant to the topic obviously because they have not read through the topic!
@megamatt (14291)
• United States
16 Jun 10
I think there is a happy medium that is needed in topics between not being long enough and having long paragraphs that drag on for ever. Of course, I have no room to talk, as I have been known to go off on some long winded rants on various things. That's the nature of having passionate views about things I suppose. I think that many people if they have an opinion, they will tend to rant and ramble on.
I try and read most of everything, but I do think that its hard once it gets past a certain point. Most people do have a short attention span when it comes to reading. Even I do outside of actually reading books. I can read all day long but when it comes to long discussion posts. However, bless you people who actually write a lot. Keep on caring about whatever you are caring about.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
Unfortunately long discussions get lost on the way resulting in the discussion getting responses sometimes that have nothing to do with them. I don't suppose anyone would want that to happen.
@allknowing (138003)
• India
16 Jun 10
Many a time the title says one thing and the discussion concerns totally a different topic. One should either skip the discussion if it is too long or have the patience to read it through rather than just read the topic and make a mess of it
@allknowing (138003)
• India
17 Jun 10
No one is stopping you. Go ahead but my only fear is that due importance should be given to your shouting. Users are always in a hurry and don't go through the lengthy discussions which might result in your getting wrong advice!
@sagar21 (1579)
• India
17 Jun 10
We can't just skip a discussion ..being lengthy..some expresses their thoughts like that.."a long story"--being more truthful also...
they are in need of a response which will solve their problem...completely...so they try to explain...it...
I think if the discussion category is in our interest group then we must read it and reply...don't just ignore it...
thanks for sharing...
have a great day/night.....
@allknowing (138003)
• India
17 Jun 10
My point is that most of the time these lengthy discussions are not read through and responses sometimes have no relevance whatsoever to the topic.