Another school, Another Obama chant....
@morethanamolehill (1586)
United States
June 16, 2010 12:07pm CST
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=XdaG2GaGnz
Even though "I am an Obama Scholar" is only a part of this chant. It is by far the creepiest part. What exactly is an Obama scholar anyway?
I don't have a problem with positive affirmations for young people. I don't know if it helps much but I don't think it can really hurt. As long they are also taught about something called reality. Positive thinking can, like most everything, be abused and exploited. Sure you CAN be a judge. But that doesn't mean you WILL be one.
I think that young people need positive role models but they should be people that have actually accomplished something. Not someone who passes the buck and refuses to take responsibility for anything.
Any thoughts??
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@dboman (457)
• United States
16 Jun 10
I was all for it until the "Obama scholar" part. What does that even mean? Do they study Obama? Do they study the same things Obama studies? I don't get it.
I love the fact that Obama is a positive role model for young African American men in the United States. This is something I've felt the African American community has needed to show that no matter what color you are, in America, you can do anything. After the institutionalized racism that was in our country for so many years, I thought this was going to be a cultural turning point.
Unfortunately, it seems that many people are embracing the man and his radical ideals instead of the outstanding accomplishment he achieved and what it says about the greatness and opportunities available in America. Instead of being a figure of American Exceptionalism and opportunities, Obama has perpetuated American self abasement and the "unfairness" and "lack of opportunities" in America. He had an historical opportunity to bring the country together, and threw it away for partisan, ideological agenda.
It makes me very sad. :(
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
16 Jun 10
I might perhaps say that "He had an historical opportunity to bring the country together" but has not been strong enough (so far) to prevent it from slipping away BECAUSE of partisan and ideological agendas.
Actually, I would say that he may be a 'man before his time' and that his ideals have been constrained and emasculated by American conservatism, corporationalism and by the apparently common belief that America is all but 'the world'.
Think of Obama as a kind of 'John the Baptist' (whose head was served up on a platter) and you may have an idea of who the real saviour of America will be in some years.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
17 Jun 10
"Actually, I would say that he may be a 'man before his time' and that his ideals have been constrained and emasculated by American conservatism..."
Certainly one way to look at it.
Another is that he's simply a phony, run-of-the-mill politician whose ideas aren't really his ideas at all, but recycled--and often failed--ideas of individuals believing Earth can function as a collaborative so long as massive government dictates and heavily influences personal freedom.
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@dboman (457)
• United States
17 Jun 10
Owlwings...wow.
"BECAUSE of partisan and ideological agendas."
So..."comprehensive health insurance reform" isn't a solely leftist ideal? And it wasn't rammed through Congress on an unethical 50 plus one vote, with no Republicans in favor and some Democrats in the house against it? How about the polls that showed most Americans didn't approve? Just because the Left says that only Republicans are partisan doesn't make it true. People on BOTH sides of the political spectrum didn't want the health care bill, people on BOTH sides don't want cap and trade, people on BOTH sides have criticized Obama's handling of the oil spill, people on BOTH sides want us to support Israel, people on BOTH sides support the Arizona bill.
Here's proof:
House Democrats who voted no on health care:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/08/us/politics/1108-health-care-vote.html
Americans who didn't want Obamacare:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform
James Carville (Democratic strategist) on Obama's handling of the oil spill
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/26/james-carville-to-obama-o_n_590000.html
Poll of Americans who support the Arizona bill:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20004030-503544.html
"Actually, I would say that he may be 'a man before his time' and that his ideals have been constrained and emasculated by American conservatism, corporationalism and by the apparently common belief that America is all but 'the world'."
The "redistribution of wealth" ideal was thought up in the 19th century. Nationalized health care is installed in nearly every Western Democracy. Cap and trade is a form of emissions trading that has been around for at least 10 years. Socialized Western Democracy has been around for decades.
Emasculated? So American conservatism has made his ideals less manly?
The belief in American Exceptionalism and innovation coupled with the recognition that we have been the world leader in military power, economy, and technology for the past 100+ years is often misconstrued as an "apparently common belief that America is all but 'the world'."
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@snapdragons (91)
• United States
17 Jun 10
I only read through some of the comments so I hope I'm not repeating anything someone already posted but that is so wrong. Obama is not an idol to be worshiped by our children. They take God out of the schools but this is okay? It gave me the creeps and made me think of Hitler's Youth.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
18 Jun 10
I agree. But then BO gives me the creeps, to begin with!
Maggiepie
"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have." ~ Barry Goldwater
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
17 Jun 10
THis isnt a good thing to teach our young ones didnt it say in there something about cheating????
Boy if they think he is one to follow they are saddly mistaken what about Abe Lincoln or JFK to follow even JOhn Wayne would be better hoppy roy rogers they all stood for America and the right way to live!
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
18 Jun 10
You know, John Wayne might have been a pretty good president at that!
Maggiepie
Life is hard; it’s harder if you’re stupid. ~ John Wayne
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
16 Jun 10
wow what a chant. I agree the positive motivation in the chant was good. But I have no idea what an Obama scholar is, but I dont think we need more of them. If they would have taken that part out, I could have signed up for it. How about switching that out for unity or some other crap like that!
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
18 Jun 10
I am reminded of a drama I saw where a Neo Nazi was telling of his days as a Hitler Youth and his words were "and Hitler smiled on me." It is not that Obama did this, that he did not accomplish much when he was at school, was not known, it is the principle behind this. To me, when someone says "I am an Obama scholar," I check and see if that is the name of his school. If that is not the name of his school, then it is just idolization of Obama.
What of the student;'s work habits? What of his parents or her parents? Did Obama do the work for him? Did Obama pay for it? If the students want to give adoration to the government, why not say "I am a tax payer;'s scholar?"
Oh and would they have sung "I am a Roosevelt scholar?" or "I am a Clinton scholar." or "I am a bush scholar?" No.
There is danger here of making a man into a god and that is what is happening here.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
16 Jun 10
I agree that that is a very creepy video. I feel very uncomfortable about that sort of 'response' chanting just as I feel uncomfortable about a particular kind of preaching - it reminds me too much of the indoctrination seen in a number of totalitarian regimes.
It is to be assumed that those students know the definition of 'an Obama scholar'. I didn't (and I suspect that most here won't either). It seems to be an Arizona State University Scholarship scheme. In the words of an ASU press release:
"In recognition of President Obama's commitment to educational access and to an entire career dedicated to public service, ASU is naming and expanding its most important scholarship program in his honor. Going forward, this program will be called the President Barack Obama Scholars and will offer thousands of students with the greatest financial need the opportunity to go to college." ( http://asunews.asu.edu/20090506_obamascholars )
To be honest, there is no indication of where the video was made and there may be other, similar, schemes for disadvantaged kids that have been named for the US President.
In response to your last sentences, positive role models are indubitably a good thing. I am not sure that Obama is being held up as a role model here but, if he is, then he does have the distinction of being the first black president (the students and staff in the video are predominantly black); his progress from his rather unremarkable and unpromising family background to President perhaps shows that, in broad terms, anyone can be anything they want to be (which is the main tenor of the chant).
Obama is not, perhaps, the world's best public speaker and nor is he noted for his diplomatic acumen when it comes to gifts and the giving of them. I agree, too, that the Nobel prize was a mistake and an embarrassment. I would disagree, however, that he "passes the buck and refuses to take responsibility for anything". You may not agree with the methods used to take responsibility for the economic crisis but you cannot deny that he has taken steps to address it; you may not agree with many of the changes he wants to make to the social structure of America but, for a long time, the United States has been sailing its battleship out of convoy with the rest of the world. No man (or country) is an island and, for all his faults, Obama is seen by the majority of the world to be trying to bring his unwieldy ship into line. Some might say that there could have been a better captain but the fact remains that, of the candidates available, Obama was democratically and constitutionally elected from the candidates available and history will probably see him as a 'man of his time' (just as Churchill, Roosevelt, Thatcher, Kennedy, Wilson and many other leaders are seen to be).
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
16 Jun 10
I am considerably surprised that so many Americans who have responded were completely unaware of what an 'Obama student' is. Did it REALLY take a non-American to bother to find out and inform Americans? Sheesh!
Come on, guys! You may have this video/news item/whatever that arouses your passions but why don't you do some research? MyLot actually PAYS you to do this!
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
16 Jun 10
BTW Owlwings, do you know why John the Baptist's head was served up on a platter?
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Jun 10
shouldn't they be telling them to be Rhodes Scholars instead of "obama scholars".
What is an Obama scholar anyway?
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
16 Jun 10
lilwonders, I think that it may have something to do with Arizona State University: http://asunews.asu.edu/20090506_obamascholars
Can't be sure, mind, because the video has NO provenance.
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Maybe someone who refuses to allow his transcripts to be made public??
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Owlwings- thanks for sharing that. I did not know about it....but then I don't live in Arizona.
I personally do not like that they teach kids to idolize him or any president. Yes you can tell his story. Yes you can show how hard work and a good education can get you a better life. But Obama is a human being. That is it. Can you imagine the outcry if kids were signing the praises of Bush the way they have been taught to about Obama?
I fear it will lead to the younger generations not understand that WE are the boss...not the president....not congress. They work for us. NOt the other way around. We rule them...they don't rule us. But by setting up a president or any political figure to be idolized like that gives the impress of them being "above" us.
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@aliya27 (79)
• Kenya
16 Jun 10
well, i believe an Obama scholar is one who follows in the footsteps of Obama.
In terms of achievements,aspirations,academics.....that kind of thing.
so which kind of scholar do u really think you are?
i guess one should be their own scholar
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
16 Jun 10
Maybe this throws light on it: http://asunews.asu.edu/20090506_obamascholars
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
16 Jun 10
Yeah, but he really hasn't accomplished anything...he's never had a real job. He won't allow his college transcripts to be released, All we know about his days at Harvard is that he was editor of the school newspaper. As a state senator, he was "present". As a US Senator he was a Presidential Candidate, so he never actually did anything there either. He speaks with a Teleprompter. Even during his run for President, we found out more about Joe the Plumber than we did Obama. I don't have a problem with a black President. I just don't think he is qualified for the position.