What should I woman know?
By paula27661
@paula27661 (15811)
Australia
June 16, 2010 10:41pm CST
I was chatting to some friends the other day and we discussed cooking. I mentioned that I don’t enjoy working in the kitchen at all and I will avoid it whenever I can. One of my male friends asked me whether I know how to cook and I replied that I do but I hate it. He said that, in his opinion, all women should know how to cook because “females are so much better at it”. I told him that what he just said was a crock of sh** and that it would be handy if EVERYBODY knew how to cook, not just women. This conversation got me thinking...Is there anything specific that a woman should know? Do you agree with my friend that all women should know how to cook? Wouldn’t it better if, as women, we familiarised ourselves with chores we generally assign to our men like mowing the lawn, checking the oil in the car etc...What do you think?
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@mario_stevens (6971)
• Malaysia
17 Jun 10
well, almost everything that i can think of isn't gender specific anymore. women can do almost everything men can do, and vice-versa. mm..except for giving birth of course..that's a skill exclusively to women
i'm a guy..i can cook, i can sew, i can iron my clothes, i can do the laundry, and i can take out the trash, change tyres, fix the kitchen plumbing, burp excessively. and my mate can do all that too so i don't see anything that is specific to one gender only...with the exception for giving birth
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
I agree with you mario_stevens! It is refreshing to hear from a man who has that point of view and good on you for being so self sufficient around the house, I bet you do a better job than a lot of women! Giving birth is still definitely a female privilege that is true...Thanks for responding I appreciate it!
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
My sister's partner can sew, he's very good at it and he is also a very manly and attractive male...
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@mario_stevens (6971)
• Malaysia
17 Jun 10
well..once you've got the thread through the needle's eye, it's quite a breeze to sew
@marguicha (223720)
• Chile
17 Jun 10
I´m not going to write here what I think of your friend bacause you might think that Im unladylike.
I don´t think there is anything a woman should know more than a man. When my husband was alive, we had some chores he did and others I did, but they were not "man chores" or "woman chores". It was more like trying to use our talents in the best way. I always mowed the lawn, for instance. He was born in a place with little grass and could never distinguish the good plants from the weeds. So after a couple of times he mowed some nice plants, I forbid him to get near them. He was the main provider though. I have two university degrees but none mean a very well paid job.
Take care!
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
You hit the nail on the head marguicha. The best way to go is to assign jobs to each other that compliment our talents, as you say, forget gender specifics! My husband is a fantastic provider and we decided early on that if one of us had to stay home and write it should definitely not be him! To do what we enjoy and what we are best at is what makes our lives a lot happier. Thanks marguicha!
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@marguicha (223720)
• Chile
17 Jun 10
You are very welcome,paula! It worked perfectly well in our marriage that lasted for almost 40 years.
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@marguicha (223720)
• Chile
17 Jun 10
The problem arises when people are not open minded about chores and other things. It is difficult sometimes to explain that team work does not mean that one of the spouses washes one knife and the other washer the other
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
17 Jun 10
Hi Paula
Indian society quintessentially has always treated women as dogged humans whose only job should lie in meeting up with the demands of the men around her until recently when we have just begun to come out of the closet to think differently. Women now have progressed much and now we believe that we should know everything, we should be able to do all the stuffs and do them when we would like to and not because some men wants us to.
My family has been very progressive that way and that too through generations. My grandma, my mom are very progressive and we three sisters have grown up as humans rather than as girls.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
17 Jun 10
Thanks Paula. But I miss to tell you that my dad still does the lifting and pushing stuffs..
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
I love that mimpi "My grandma, my mom are very progressive and we three sisters have grown up as humans rather than as girls." That last sentence says it all really. Why can't we be just people with individual skills and talents that have nothing to do with gender. I appreciate your response mimpi, thanks!
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@momof3kids (1894)
• Singapore
17 Jun 10
No for me I wouldnt want to do a mans job. I always want to be pretty and smelling nice at all times. I think I will be better at a job that uses my brains because I believe that since women are made to be 'weaker' in the strength department, they are made to be stronger in the brains department.
Therefore I dun understand why women want to compete in games where braun is used, she will have much better chance when she takes part in something that uses her brains.
Leave mowing the lawn to the man, use your brains to teach the children complex mathemetics.
As for cooking, however I do agree that all women should cook and take over all the males chefs that are making loads of money.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
I don't like to work up a sweat at the best of times but I sure like having the choice to if I want! That is my point that there are no reasons why women can't do whatever job they like regardless of gender specifications. Personally I don't believe that I am here to take care of a man. My husband loves me and I love him and we take care of each other. Thanks for stopping by momof3kids!
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
I appreciate your point and it is a good one! With some men, the more a woman does the more she is expected to do! My husband and I have specific jobs that we share and we both assert ourselves when we feel we are been taken for granted, I guess that is why communication is paramount in a good relationship. Thanks for adding some good points to my discussion, I appreciate it!
@momof3kids (1894)
• Singapore
17 Jun 10
You are welcome Paula but I am not finished, sorry!!
i want to first apologise if I am offending you in any way by posting this, I am not assuming that your husband is like jim but i have to post this just for general awareness.
I used to watch this sitcom on TV 'According to Jim' by jim belushi. In the show, as much as jims character loves his wife, he is always trying to manipulate her. I learnt a lot from that show as I now see more what my husband is trying to get out of.
I enjoyed the show very much as the wife has her bad qualities as well.
The moral in the sitcom is its ok if he is away and not able to mow the lawn but according to jim if he knows that you can 'mow the lawn' then it might just become your duty.
Therefore if you want to be more knowledgable by learning how to change the oil, by all means go ahead. It will make you more independent for sure but try to be discreet about it..*wink wink*
I think they take it off the air because it is making the wives say,'hei!!'..lol!!
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@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
17 Jun 10
Funny you should ask: I am Puerto Rican born and raised in Chicago. I married really young to a man who was 10 years my elder, who happened to be born and raised really old fashioned in Puerto Rico. I quickly learned that although I too had to be an out of home worker, I also had to be an in-home slave.
I became a wonderful cook, cooking 7 days a week and no such thing as a quick sandwich or salad for dinner ever. So following my divorce, I put all my skills to action. I was still the great career woman and a wonderful superman. I use to mow my own lawn, was my own windows, clean the gutters, landscape and climb the ladders to paint the exterior of my home. Funny thing I was always either busy working for an employer, carpooling the kids to and from all their sports and then there were the lengthy weekends I jumped up the ladder to do repairs.
I literally had female older ladies in my neighbor interrupt my work to sort of reprimand me and say, I had to stop doing so much as it was making them look bad. Hmmm making them look bad. They would always explain that their husbands will begin to feel that they should be doing most of the work also. My response to them always was I do not have a man at home hon, so I have to do what I have to do.
Here I am now in my early 40's, blessed with two wonderful college graduate kids and a wonderful boyfriend. I no longer own my home and no longer have to cook, if I don't want to. My boyfriend is so self sufficient that he does his own laundry, washes dishes, does most of the cooking and discards the garbage 100% of the time.
I immediately found this odd when I first moved in and in fact felt that now I was becoming lazy. He has taught me that nope, there is no such thing as a woman solely does all the household chores and that in a relationship we are in this together. So the idea of any man or woman that categorizes household chores as a specific category is coo coo.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
Love your response hard working girl! That is my point, you and your partner are in the relationship together and you share the chores fairly, you should not have to be anyone's slave. I had been married before I met my current husband and up to that point marriage was just a lot of physical work for no returns! Thankfully my current relationship is like yours, evenly balanced and we do the chores we are personally better at regardless of gender. Thank you for enriching my discussion!
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
19 Jun 10
I love your guy too! (LOL) What a lovely thing to say! Many guys out there should take a leaf out of his book, you're a lucky girl!
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
18 Jun 10
I believe that we finally are receiving compensation for a job too well done. It is funny, when I first moved in with my boyfriend I felt guilty that I was not doing what I was "suppose" to be doing. He soon after set me straight and told me: Had he wanted a maid he would've hired one. Love this guy.
Anyways it is just the way people are brought up I suppose. Have a wonderful day!
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
Thank you starsailover! You have said all for me! I agree with you entirely. We should follow our preferences and talents and forget about stereotypes. I appreciate your contribution.
asep988: I don't believe I have a 'duty' to anything and we all have choices to do whatever we like to do and not what has been assigned to us due to our gender. Thanks so much for responding!
@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
17 Jun 10
Hi asep: I don't agree that there are some tasks that women "have" to learn. In fact, there are no activities exclusive to men or women, these are just stereotypes and it's up to you to decide what to with your life. For example, some of the best chefs are men so we can't say that to cook or wash the dishes are women activities. Thanks for your answer. Have a nice day.
ALVARO.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
4 Jul 10
It's true. These days there is no reason why everyone can't know how to do different things including cooking regardless of their gender...Thanks for the response gabs!
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
22 Jun 10
Keeping apart all male chauvinstic remarks Paula I do think that it would be ideal for a woman to know how to cook--one important reason is that she can assess the type of nutritious intake her child may need and prepare it.Men may not be as good as women in this aspect.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
23 Jun 10
Thanks Paula. I too agree with what you say but we also have different ways of tackling the situation.In our house we all wash our individual plates, individual glasses , our own clothes.I have a maid to assist me with washing utensils and cleaning up the place.This is common in many middleclass households and it is not like the west where housekeepers are hard to find or can be afforded only by the rich people.
So, it is relatively easier.My husband knows how to cook and is very selfreliant and this comes in handy when I am not around].But I agree that a man must know how to cook or at least the basics of cooking.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
23 Jun 10
I agree kalav, but there is no reason why a man should not learn to cook...I think division of labour in the home should be equally shared. It has taken my husband and I a few years to get it right but nowadays the chores are divided in a fair manner and there is no resentment. If I was the one doing everything I would grow to dislike him over time because I would feel his lack of care for me expecting me to serve him hand and foot. We both work hard and care for how the other is doing...Thanks for responding kalav, always great to hear from you!
@ElicBxn (63642)
• United States
17 Jun 10
I think men and women should be able to hold their own at most common type things - check oil, or boil water.
I think he's a bit of a pig for thinking women are better at cooking than men, Emil????
I never enjoyed cooking that much either, but since I've had a job where that is part of my duties, I've discovered that I really don't hate it as much as I thought I would. In fact, the other day, I surprised the roomie by cooking dinner all by myself and doing a GREAT job of it!
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
Good on you Elic, I've surprised myself too when I've been able to pull off a meal which isn't half bad and my daughter and I enjoy baking together. I agree that we should all have basic life skills no matter what they are and what our gender is. Yes it was a 'piggish' thing to say and he did regret it as I was not the only female present at the time! Thanks Elic!
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@BarBaraPrz (47634)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
17 Jun 10
I think you showed admiral restraint in not cold-clocking your friend...
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@BarBaraPrz (47634)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
18 Jun 10
That should have been "admirable" restraint... silly fingers!
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
(LOL) Yes, I was very restrained...He realised rather quickly that he said the wrong thing and because I wasn't the only female there so he was quite sorry!
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
That is exactly right!We can all be independent and strong if we have a vast array of skills and it does apply to both men and women, I think. Thanks for responding donsky14!
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
23 Jun 10
buncha silliness...
Not all women can cook, and some men are great cooks. Learn what you are comfortable with learning/willing to learn, and find some other way to deal with the rest. People who don't cook can eat out, make sandwiches, eat cereal, etc.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
24 Jun 10
I agree! The ability to cook or not to cook does not define a person's worth male or female! Each one of us should do what we enjoy, what we are good at and want to learn as you say. Thanks Dawn!
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
17 Jun 10
i THINK both should know how to cook. If the woman works to i think the men should share the kitchen duties. My ex could cook but never did when he was not working. First thing out of his mouth when i came home from woek was what's for supper. That use to tick me off big time when he'd been there all day sitting on his 'rusty dusty'.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
Ohhh! That would have made me so mad!!!I hate it when men expect all the housework and cooking to be done by the woman and they don't mind sending her off to work as well! I like choices and fair division of labour. Thanks for responding ANTIQUELADY!
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Jun 10
I honestly believe that we should all learn to do everything we need on a daily basis and not depend on someone else to do it. That most definitely includes cooking! I think it's as important for a man to know how to cook as it is for a woman.
It's important for a woman to know how to fix certain things around the house, too. As for oil changes, I'll let the experts do that. But, I LOVE to cut the grass. We have a LOT of grass and I bought a rider mower when we moved here so it's actually a lot of fun cutting the grass which is really a good thing in my marriage because my husband is most definitely NOT an outdoor kinda person. Luckily, I am.
Hmmm, now that I think about it, I'm doing almost everything around here. Oh, my husband does change the oil... usually later than it should be changed but he still does it. But, I do most of everything else.
By the way, I do love cooking. I wasn't raised to love cooking, though. My mother was a terrible cook, probably because she didn't like it herself. I had to teach myself and I learned to love it. I just wish I had more energy so I could cook more. I can't predict when I'll have flares in my fibromyalgia so I always keep frozen entrees handy. I LOVE those frozen "meal in a bag" stir fry things. They're awesome!
As for females being better at cooking then men, I agree with you that it's a crock of sh**. The majority of great chefs are MEN.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Jun 10
I wish I loved to cook, I really do but I just don't enjoy it! It takes so long to prepare the food and five minutes to eat it! I agree though that having a basic knowledge of cooking is important for both sexes. It is good to see that in your relationship you do the chores you enjoy and are good at and it does not matter if they are classed as female jobs or male jobs but if you're doing most of the work it may be time to have a chat with that man of yours (LOL)! I like those stir fry meals in a bag too, very handy! Thanks mentalward!
@mentalward (14690)
• United States
17 Jun 10
It's definitely time to have a chat with my husband! We bought a storm door for the front of the house last year before the first big blast of snow hit us. The house never did have a storm door and we thought it would help save energy.
Well, it's not saving any energy right now except what my husband would use to actually put it on the front of the house! We've already had some nasty-hot days this year but that storm door is still propped up beside the garage door.
That's one chore I won't be doing, mostly because I can't. If I had the energy, though, I'd probably try it.
@cream97 (29086)
• United States
18 Jun 10
Hi, paula27661. I think that all women should at least know how to cook. And men need to know how to cook too. A women should not be the only person that can cook. My grandmother is over 70. And she mowed her lawn from time to time. She was doing so when she was in her 60s. I think that she allows her son to mow the lawn sometimes. That helps her out some. Men need to learn how to do things just as well as a women. I say it this way: We may never know when we will be placed in a situation where we may have to act out of our gender/role. So, it is always wise to know how to do certain things when that time comes.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
19 Jun 10
I agree with you. It is useful to be apt at different things regardless which gender you are and I believe it is healthy to be self sufficient and independent. Good to hear your grandma could mow the lawn too! Thanks so much for your response cream97!
@_Honey_ (780)
• Philippines
18 Jun 10
Hello,
I'm not really a good cook but I enjoy cooking. And by the time I get married I'd really want to be able to cook a very delicious meal for my husband. I'd want it if he tries to get home after work early everyday because he'd rather want to be home and join dinner with me than dine out. I just find it so sweet. LOL.
It's also very handy if all would learn how to do the laundry, the sink, the lawn and the plumbing but I'd want my husband to get someone else to do that instead than me doing it all by myself. LOL.
Cheers,
Honey
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
It is nice to cook a nice dinner for your husband and it is even nicer if he does it for you!(LOL) I agree that we should all learn how to do certain chores. There is a limit to what I would do myself too and, at times I would rather he did it or paid someone to do it! Thanks for responding _Honey_!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
20 Jun 10
Hi paula! It has always been important to me to be able to do the same things as a man can. Now granted I can't fix cars but I have learned some basics like checking oil and water. I am also pretty good at knowing what is the cause of a car running badly because my grandfather was a mechanic and I spent a lot of time with him.I have also had to maintain my own yard but my guy takes care of that now. It is good to be able to do things that you normally wouldn't because you never know when you might need to. Take care.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
20 Jun 10
I agree with you Jen. It is a goof feeling to be self reliant and independent. I don't think chores should be gender specific and that everyone should have certain basic skills either in the kitchen or elsewhere. Thanks for responding!
@walking2010 (1009)
• United States
18 Jun 10
What is so funny that some men think that a women needs to do this and that but if you look at the world today women are holding down enough as it is, working raising children we basically multi task, and I agree that everyone should and need to know how to cook, us as women are very talented though in the kitchen we bring love to the kitchen so whatever we cook you can feel the love and the time we put into it. My thing is that men are so quick to say what a women role is but when it comes to their roles they dont understand or want to understand, men role n life was to go to work and bringhome the bacon and let us cook it. women were not to work, so basically the times that we are living in now people are confused, because women became so independent for the fact that men would leave a the women high and dry with nothing and women had to start from scratch with nothing because the men would jus t leave the women with the children. It just a matter of the change of times.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
These days so many women are working outside the home and it should not be up to them to be the sole housekeepers and cooks. We need help and,in my view the idea of a relationship is partnership and being there for each other and the way I see it that means fair division of labour. Times have changed and sadly there are still some men who have not changed with it. Thank you for responding walking2010!
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
19 Jun 10
I tell him that all the time, that I am the luckiest woman on earth and you will love his response: Say nope he is the lucky one. LOL...
Yes I did not ever imagine being able to find someone like him, however he has changed my perception to 180 degrees.
Have a nice night
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
19 Jun 10
You have done well there, that's for sure! All the best to you both!
@alaskanray (4636)
• United States
17 Jun 10
The saddest thing my girlfriend ever said to me was that she didn't need to know how to change a tire, that's what the men were for. I was always the He-woman in our group. I grew up in a family of women - my mom and 8 girls vs my dad and 1 boy. I never in my life heard my mom or dad say, "that's a man's job" or "that's a woman's job". Since Dad had so many girls, many of us were tomboys and he taught them to shoot a rifle, fish and hunt. When I got older I learned to change my own oil and flat tire, push my own car out of the snowdrift and swing a hammer, turn a wrench and any number of things that most would consider "men's" jobs. It has come in handy.
When you live on the frontier, a woman has to pull the plow alongside her man. I grew up in Alaska which is basically frontier so I learned to be very independent. Now I'm disabled and it's very hard to have to ask others to help me haul wood and shovel the snow from my door.
I think it's good for a man to be able to take care of himself. After all, not everyone will find a mate who can help when he needs his pants hemmed and a single guy can't always afford to eat out every day.
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
18 Jun 10
It sounds as though you had a very healthy upbringing which has made a capable and independent person and I admire that. I believe that is how it should be, we should all learn basic skills whether it is changing a car tyre for a woman or sewing a button for a man; these things are part of life...Thanks for your great contribution to my discussion, I appreciate it!