VP Biden says "We Can't Recover All the Jobs"

@dboman (457)
United States
June 27, 2010 10:22am CST
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20008924-503544.html In front of a group of supporters in Wisconsin, Biden said that "there's no possibility to restore the 8 million jobs lost in the Great Recession." Maybe there's no way to do so with massive government spending bills, but here's an idea: try some private sector stimulation...like cutting taxes. Apparently during the visit the manager of a custard shop asked him to lower taxes and Biden said: "Why don't you say something nice instead of being a smart *ss all the time." Here's the link for the video of this exchange: http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/06/26/why-dont-you-say-something-nice-instead-of-being-a-smartass-all-the-time.php What do you guys think? Is asking to cut taxes a smart *ss move? How much longer will the stimulus not work before we "change course"?
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• United States
27 Jun 10
Db, democrats tried to get tax cuts for businesses, and start ups as part of the extension of unemployment benefits, but republicans and blue dog democrats voted NO. Maybe it is the republicans and the blue dogs should go after for voting NO on this. Tax cuts don't always produce jobs like republicans think, look at the FACTS!! Bush administration 1 Million net jobs created, huge tax cuts. Clinton administration 22 Million net jobs created, taxes INCREASED, and they were moved back to same level. Last time I check 22 million as greater than 1 million. But, I could be wrong.
@dboman (457)
• United States
27 Jun 10
Oh how soon we forget. Did the Reagan tax cuts not create jobs? Bush inherited an unemployment at 4%. Jobs can't be created at that point...at that point all that you can do is go down...which it did (remember the recession in 2001, of which can probably be blamed on Clinton's tax raises?). Despite 9/11, the first Bush tax cuts helped to stimulate business and the economy. Unemployment never hit above 6%. Once the second tax cuts were passed, unemployment dropped steadily and stayed at 4.6% levels from 2006-2007 until the housing crash of 2008. It was obviously the tax cuts that contributed to the quick economic recovery. Also, please link to this "22 million vs. 1 million" that you keep referring to. As for Clinton, let's not forget that he had a Republican Congress for 6 years and was still riding high on the strong economic holdover that Reagan put in place. Whether you like it or not, the economy is cyclical. There's nothing we can do about that, and many times it has nothing to do with the president. However, government spending has shown time and time again NOT to stimulate economic recovery. Both Reagan and Bush's tax cuts were successful in helping to pull us out of two recessions, but they weren't the ONLY reason for doing so. How is the stimulus bill doing? Did it keep unemployment below 8% as claimed? If the "experts" that have claimed this couldn't see it (when so many non-left wing "experts" did, including anyone who's taken a micro or macroeconomics course in college)...why do you still have faith in them? Also, it's funny that you say the bill that was just rejected would give tax cuts and "start ups"...but the Republicans say it increases tax cuts. Furthermore, the bill was set to add $100B to the deficit. I understand that you don't think the national debt is a big deal, but IT IS. Even Germany just warned us not to get 'addicted to borrowing'...GERMANY! Last, can you explain to me exactly how pumping money into state and local governments promotes private sector growth?
@dboman (457)
• United States
27 Jun 10
I forgot to post the unemployment numbers by year: http://www.miseryindex.us/urbyyear.asp
• United States
28 Jun 10
DB, the Reagan tax cuts did create jobs, but not as many as Clinton did. You are correct that unemployment was low when Bush came into office, but at best his tax cuts only kept unemployment as low as Clinton, and we have been told the tax cuts increase job growth. The 22 million vs. 1 million per the department of labor, I am having trouble finding it on their site, but here is another chart that I found in the WSJ that has both higher but say the same thing. http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/01/from-truman-to-bush-presidential-employment-gains/ You can give Congress all of the credit, but the president approved everything they did work together to get things done, and grow the economy. I don't agree one bit with people that say that the Clinton economy was part of what Reagan did. If this try than please explain the Bush Sr. years??? The only thing that the Reagan economy did for Clinton was give him a problem to solve. I am pretty happy with the stimulus bill, it has helped many of my customers, and that means that it has helped me personally. The stimulus bill could only do so much, without it I am sure that unemployment would be much higher. The problem with jobs today is that the private sector isn't hiring, they are outsourcing. The only way to get them to hire again is to give them a reason to, and that has to be consumers buying products. But, people have to have a job to buy products, and that is a problem right now. This is the other problem with cutting off unemployment benefits, is that you take money out of the economy. Our country is caught in a paradox, and I hate to say it, but I don't know what will solve it. I do understand that deficits do matter, but if you don't create jobs than it doesn't matter what you do. With no jobs the economy will collapse, and destroy the country, and because the private sector isn't doing it the government has been forced to. The bill that democrats sent to the floor had tax cuts for businesses, and start ups, I have no idea what you are talking about. Even republicans admitted that it would have helped some businesses, but it wasn't worth $100 Billion. Sending money to state and Local governments helps them to fund expansions, and technologies that lead to new jobs. I live in the solar panel capital of the world, and many of these companies came out of the local University that received money from the state to innovate this technology. With out that money you never would have heard of a company like First Solar.
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
28 Jun 10
Thanks to the government, we will continue to be in a recession. The only people that will not feel the pressure are those that are in politics. It's just like the bill around the stock market. I didn't read all of it but the jist was they were going to regulate CEO pay, loans - specifically mortgages, car loans would not be effected. I would like to remind everyone the only reason so much money was made was because of the risk. The reason so much money was lost was because of greed. That is part of business. If you are going to make money, there is always a chance you could lose it. If the government regulates mortgages, the investors will not be able to make as much money. There were regulations before, no one followed them. The economy will suffer until the government stops repeating the same mistakes. Maybe they should give the individuals the stimulus instead of certain businesses. Just a thought.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
28 Jun 10
In my opinion, for what its worth, the guy was being a smart a** by having the nerve to question "Joe". Here "Joe" blesses these people with his presence and they have nothing but negative to say. Where are the jobs? Ungrateful wretches! Do you ask movie stars why unemployment is so high? Do you ask rock stars why our economy is in the tank? NO so don't bother "Joe" about such silly stuff. Just let him talk about what he wants and DONT question....it was only 8 million jobs, they can fill that in the public sector in no time!
• United States
28 Jun 10
Of course we can get back all the jobs. Many went overseas and WON'T come back. Cheaper labor and taxes in developing countries have made the global job market harder for America. We are more exspensive employees both in pay and in benefits. Large corporatios are looking for the cheapest workforce they can get...that is not in america right now. So no they won't be bring those jobs back. It is a tough problem to solve. Why would a company have their jobs (especially) amnufactoring jobs) in America when they can get the same product made a lot cheaper in India or China. Our government can MAKE them keep the jobs here or move the jobs back. Think of it this way....jobs and corporations are like bidding contracts...where the lowest bidder wins. I don't see American workers excepting the pay and benefits the employees in other countries are willing to take. So they get the jobs and we don't. How to solve that problem is not going to be easy.