Astrology, is it a science? or an art?
By vijayanths
@vijayanths (7877)
India
July 8, 2010 11:49am CST
Some people say astrology is a pure science while some say it's an art. Do you beleive in astrology? Many famous people have faith in astrology. Some consider it as crap and a superstition.
What about Numerology, Fengshui, Vaasthu sastra, Tarot reading, gemstones and name change and so on.
In my opinion all these things will work if an expert guides you. The fact of the matter is it's nearly impossible to find a real expert in these fields these days. So you can use these things as a reference guide but should not follow them blindly.
what do you say?
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23 responses
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
8 Jul 10
hello dear anna,
It is about science and heavenly bodies.
The astrology and numerology of each birth were coincidental,not every person who were born on same date(exact date,time and etc)had same fate and luck.
Billion people lives on this planet,so,it is not impossible that astrology could ever happens what exactly is written according to astrologers,or fortune tellers,card readers etc.(what they tell to their clients as foresee).
I don't believe fully in it,just a little bit comparison with characteristics and behavior with zodiac signs and numbers and a bit of observation too.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
Hi jai dear, let billions of people live on earth. So what? may be some hundred of babies are born every minute all over the world. In Indian astrology even one minute difference in birth can give different results. That is why twins don't have exact life. If two babies are born at the same second you have to take into account of latitude and longitude.
If two babies are born in the same city at same place they will have same life, this is my view dear sister.
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
8 Jul 10
yes,that is what i clearly wrote
"not every person who were born on same date(exact date,time and etc)had same fate and luck."
we had nothing to debate on that matter!
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@shravandone (555)
• India
8 Jul 10
i give a simple example to counter your logic...sun is the same to all people on this planet. his impact is different on different people.down here in bengaluru it might be cloudy but in delhi it will fuming hot.i wear a warm dress where as u will be in cottons.
even if u consider people of same city under same roof, not necessarily both experience same hotness.their sweating levels is different.one is happy with just fan..one is not happy even with air conditioner. for guys like me, i don't need even a fan.
so the logic that many will be born on same date so a prediction of astrology will equally apply to all of them is wrong.
@vathsala30 (3732)
• India
8 Jul 10
I do not know exactly about astrology or other things you have mentioned above. I think astrology is a science of calculating the position of the planets, its combination with other planets and its existance etc. Though I do not believe it fully but sometimes what the expert astrologers say is true to some extent
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
Yes vathsala, in astrology the position of planets is taken into account to predict the future. I am happy that you don't beleive the astrologers blindly.
I have predicted to many people here. Most of them are happy about my predictions. I know all my predictions can't be correct.
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@vathsala30 (3732)
• India
8 Jul 10
I know about your predictions too vijayanths. It is 80% correct and accurate but to my knowledge no expert astrologer can predict our future 100% correctly. That is highly impossible coz they will predict according to the horoscope given by us and how do we know that the planets in our horoscope is correctly placed?
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
8 Jul 10
Astrology is based on some astronomical calculations of the positions of planets and statistics determines the predictions to a great extent. As for myself I read all weekly or monthly forecasts that are available to me[righ t now I get to see only Mangayar malar's and occasionally MIDDAY'S. Here too, I jsut read it for fun and leave it at that.I did believe in this when I was younger but once in a t.v. program I saw Jyodida thilakam Parthasarathy and he mentioned one thing that stuck like glue to my mind--"Ella grahathukum mel oru graham ulladhu .Adhu dhan [God's ]Anugraham.
Another thing is we believe that chakrathzhazhwar is the ruling soveriegn over all the planets and I have always been His devotee[right from my childhood /as a resident of TRICHY ,I guess it is nothing unnatural.]
I took active interest in this and read a bit of Kudumba Jyodhidam too but later I gave away the book because a little learning is a dangerous thing and it unnecessarily spoils our mind.So,I do not think too much about this. I do not feel like using it as a reference guide too and I would prefer to place myself in the . hands of the Almighty and bow down to Him , seeking His grace.
As for the others I do not know much about those and have not been inerested too
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
Hi, Kala, You are a smart lady, beyond doubts. No wonder you don't give too much importance for astrological predictions. Neither do I.
I think astrology is a science that needs a lot of research.
Astrology can never fail. But why do we get wrong predictions? The astrologers fail.
The fact of the matter is there is no expert today. Those so called best astrologers of present day can only predict with about 60% accuracy and more, this is my opinion.
As per my study on astrology it's not a crap. It's a divine science.Nevertheless nobody can master it as our ancient astrologers had not passed on the secrets to the next generations.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
In my opinion those who foretell with intuition are more accurate. They can visually see the past,present and future(in the mind).
Computer can cast accurate horoscopes-free from human error.
computer will tell based on the programs fed to it. We can't say these are exact predictions. Only an astrologer can do it better than the computer.
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@varunsdo (204)
• India
9 Jul 10
I think there is no such science, which helps you to find out whats gonna happen next. Computers are machines made by man, which can only perform operations predefined to them. In such a case, man is more accurate in his beliefs than a machine.
In this modern world astrology is a business, a pure business in which you have to fool your audience in one or the other way. Turn on a news channel in the morning, you will find out that astrologers are predicting about your zodiacs. They tell you a few common things everyday. 90% of the time its about your goodwill, so we feel happy and satisfied and want to listen again. This is a fact.
So in my opinion Astrology is a Business . Pure business
@yugasini (12893)
• Secunderabad, India
9 Jul 10
hi vijayanths,
Astrology,Palmistry,face reading,numerology are old subjects since from olden days,but the scientists link them to science and added them in the subjects,and prepared the curriculum for them,if our fate is good ,we will meet the expert and change the things accordingly and then we are ok,if not still we are wondering for all these things for better life,have a nice day
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
Hi, yugasini, as you rightly pointed out the predictions largely depend on the astrologer. If the astrologer is good then you may get more accurate predictions. Nevertheless no astrologer can give you 100% accurate predictions, this is my opinion. However if more research is done on this wonderful subject we can enjoy more accurate results in future.
@yugasini (12893)
• Secunderabad, India
15 Jul 10
hi vijayanths,
thanks for the response,some person from Vijayawada,he is getting predictions from the spirits,i wish to contact him,when i will visit to Vijayawada next time,but i do not know his position till from one year,any how i will try and find out the predictions of future of my family,have a nice day
@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
15 Jul 10
As far as I'm concerned, the stars are just creations that serve their physical purposes and in no way can they have any influence on our future.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
Hi, hopefulman, I respect your views on astrology. If you have faith in God and in yourself nothing else matters. But still there is nothing wrong in knowing about astrology. If you learn it I am sure your views will differ. In my opinion most of people who study astrology become believers of astrology.
@Boyetski (986)
• Philippines
8 Jul 10
Hmmm if we will see it in a logical manner, the way astonomy works is a bit fictional. Movement of the heavens and such. Same with numerology, tarot reading, and some other things. If I were a scientist I would probably say that this has no factual proof so its not really true.
But if I were a faithful person I should say that this is a Scientific based art that can improve our living just by following the heavens movement. The movement of energy around us. And since im not a scientist and such. I think its an art form in it's self.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
wow, that's a fast and meaningful analysis from you Boyetskui. I am glad that you have given a good thought over the topic before responding to it. Even famous scientists have faith in God. (Existence of God can never be proved but felt by people who develop their minds to greater levels)
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@coffeeshot (3783)
• Australia
8 Jul 10
I would say both. There are aspects of astrology that have been proven scientifically like the moon and stars. I don't know much about it but I do know that it is very interesting and I think that we should keep an open mind about things we don't quite understand.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
hi, coffeeshot,Astrology can't be proved like other scientific things. It's because most of the astrological secrets had not been passed on to the next generations. So now we don't have enough techniques to foretell accurately and consistently. Astrology needs to be researched by experts and take it to a status of science in future.
@sparquel (121)
• United States
8 Jul 10
Wow, very good topic indeed.
I personally am intrigued by astrology in terms of how we are born under zodiac signs. Are we ruled and guided by the sun, moon, or even stars? I ask myself that question from time to time. As for science or art ... Hmmm ... maybe a bit of both.
I certainly do not believe astrology is "crap or superstition". I believe astrology does have it's purpose like everything else.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
sparquel , Indian ancient astrologers were great. You might have heard about Arya bhatta, Varaha Mihira and so on. They could calculate accurately about the planets and stars, their distances etc through their inner vision (they did not use any telescopes or computers)But they knew much more than people of today.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
Hi, sparquel I must appreciate you for your clear views on the subject. Of course some stars affect your life according to Indian astrology. There are 27 stars that have influence on human lives. astrology can never fail but astrologers fail miserably often. That is why astrology is considered a crap by some people.
@weasel81 (2496)
• Australia
8 Jul 10
there are a lot of fakes out there when it comes to reading the astrology, tarot etc. u really need a person who know what they are doing to help u understand it all. i beleive when numerology is done right, it can be very informative even if don't make sense at the time same with the astrology. read a my things then may disregard them if they don't make sense. but i get a daily numerology email, and i find it does help at times and will read a few times during the day.
i also have a good collection of gem stones, and looking to get more. i like looking at them, they sit beside my bed and keep me company.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
hi, weasel, if you learn Indian astrology then you will realize that there is something in astrology. You can use astrology to improve your life to some extent. You can use it as a guide and not a text book.Similarly numerology, vaasthu, gem stones, all have their merits and demerits. There is some meaning in all these subjects. If only you know how to use them to get benefits.
@kquiming (2997)
• Philippines
8 Jul 10
I think it's for entertainment. I think it could be crap if you treat it that way, and it could be something real, somethign meaningful, if you perceive it that way. But I think it's not necessary to believe in this things to live harmoniously with the Universe and with other people or things. I have my own belief (religion) and so far, it has worked pretty good for me.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
Hi, kquiming, I am happy about your frank response. You have faith in God and there you end your belief in unscientific things. Some extend their belief to astrology or numerology or whatever.In my opinion you can use them to some extent for bettering your life but without affecting your life.
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@tomitomi (5429)
• Singapore
8 Jul 10
It can be both a science and an art. Astrology, just like Numerology, Fengshui and the like, becomes a science when it is studied and nurtured in one. On the other hand it becomes an art when one is born with an innate ability and a talent to practice it.
Whether science or art what concerns most people would be the ability to practice it well to make an accurate a prediction as possible.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
8 Jul 10
well said tomitomi. It can be either a science or an art depending on the person who practices it. If an astrologer predicts more with his intuition astrology is an art to him. If an astrologer predicts based on his astrological researches may be then it is a science there.Nice response.
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@maiaman (97)
• Philippines
9 Jul 10
You have to remember that a little knowledge can be dangerous. Some follow these things based on a minimal knowledge that they have acquired without fully understanding what is behind that idea or that rule or something. this can sometimes be dangerous and can ruin ones life because without the proper guiding principle one can easily be mislead. So if one is not fully knowledgeable about this things but would want to be a follower or practitioner, one must consult an expert on the said field and not just base it from just anywhere that they read it from or something.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
hi, maiaman, you are absolutely right that that a little knowledge can be dangerous. It is applicable to other subjects as well. If you have half knowledge on medicine and imagining you have all diseases is not good at all. I think we need experts in this field. Half knowledge is truly dangerous in this field.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
hi, Ezra if you have complete faith in God, then there is no need for other stuff as you rightly said, thanks.
@satanail1313 (82)
• Bulgaria
8 Jul 10
It is a science but there has to many speculants who do this only to get a money from people with their basic not astrology but psychology skills.I'm pretty sure some has skills in it cuz like some one told before it is calculating from the astronomy the place from other planets , the Sun , the Moon upon us(cuz we are part of that universe).I was doubt long ago,but my doubt's fall when i get an old newspaper with horoscops(dunno if this is the english word- i mean that zoodical predictions).And in this newspaper i read thinks that really happen to me in that period that they predict,i was stunned a bit.After that i check them when some descision i'm about to make and i can tell u that they guest right but not every time.So when i read them i don't take it for pure true i take it more like keep one in mind.I suggest u can do it too.
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@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
I think what you are talking about is general prediction. It can't be correct all the time. I am surprised you got them right most times. If you cast your horoscope and find predictions it can be more accurate. Nevertheless astrology has to be used as a reference guide only.
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
9 Jul 10
I think of astrology as able to point out likely trends in the past, present or future, but not so much for foretelling events, etc.. I'm an astrologer and find many co-incidents between things in my life and relationships between planets etc at the time. For instance I have two conjunctions (pairs) of planets three signs away, one conjunction in my house of home, and the 2nd in my house of marriage. One of the biggest changes in my life came when I traveled to the midwest from new england, met my now husband and stayed (now married 30 yrs). At that time the very slow moving planet from my 1st conjunction in my house of home, had moved up to be on the exact degree of my second conjuction in my house of marriage (30 degrees to a zodiac sign, 360 degrees in all).. My home changed and I married (house of home & house of marriage). There's many more co-incidents like this in just my chart alone..
- I'm also a tarot card reader and have worked as a psychic phone reader, but don't like charging people $150 an hour (even if i did make from $16 to $26 an hour) so work on my own now as I can keep prices way lower, especially if done through email rather than phone (i charge little more than $1 a card for these recession times).
Tarot is also very interesting but I've never considered myself 'psychic' maybe intuitive but then i think we all are intuitive.. Tarot I think of as pictures of life and tho i don't think of them so much as telling the future as using them for wisdom to guide us in our choices.
- That was another reason why i didn't like phone reading as someone would ask which man would be the better choice, or what job etc. That's a big responsibility especially if ya don't particularly believe anyone is 'psychic' and know I'm not and tarot isn't thAt dependable! ..but my readings are more along the lines of guidance and wisdom to help someone make choices, not try to make them for them..
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
hi, flowerchilde, nice to know you. Glad to interact with an astrologer like you. Indian astrology is different from western astrology. I know that you are particular about the angle 30degrees and so on but we have different concept altogether. We have aspects of planets.We do have conjunction of planets.
For us 1 st house tells you about your life span, your characters, health and success in life.
2nd- money, communication skills and lower education
3rd- young brothers, courage
4th- family, land, own house, vehicles, higher education and mother.
5th- our fortunes of previous births, children
6th- diseases, enemies, court
7th- love, marriage, friends
8th- life span, accidents, dis respect, imprisonment
9th- fortunes, dad, ancestral property
10th- job, profession
11th- profits, elder brother
12th- sleep, physical pleasures, partnerships, philosophy.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
10 Jul 10
I have an open mind about a lot of the things you mention although I can be sceptical; not because I don’t necessarily believe but because sadly there are a lot of people who claim to have knowledge and ability that doesn’t exist while ripping unsuspecting souls off. A friend of mine is an expert in astrology and from what she has shown me I would say it is definitely a science. I don’t think the horoscopes we read in magazines and newspapers have any validity but having a chart done by a bona fide expert can be very enlightening. I think the same applies to clairvoyance and tarot readers etc. There are gifted folks out there who have genuine psychic abilities but also too many frauds which lessens the credibility of this field a lot.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
Very true paula, the general predictions you see on magazines can't suit all accurately. However if you cast your horoscope and study it and give the predictions, they can be fairly accurate, can't be 100% accurate though. Yes there are some gifted people who can predict future better than best astrologers.
@mercedlegurpa (955)
• Philippines
11 Jul 10
I don't believe in Astrology, Fengshui, Numerology and Tarot. I do believe that if you have faith in God, your fate will be guided not with these craps.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
Hello mercedlegurpa , you have all the rights to call them as crap. Of course if you have true faith in God nothing else is required. It is very difficult to put your full faith in God. That is why our prayers are not answered sometimes. The prayers with full faith can never fail.
@mercedlegurpa (955)
• Philippines
16 Jul 10
Hi if some of our prayers are not answered, it is because God knows what is good and what is bad for us. For example, a certain man asked for millions of money but God knows he will never use the money for a good purpose so I'm sure He will not consent to the man's request. Just as simple as that. If ever God will not answer one of my prayers, I will resort to all those craps; for me it means not trusting God and idolizing those superstitious man made craps.
@sagar21 (1579)
• India
9 Jul 10
yes astrologers are scientists
so its a science..
its just more than science which need a lot of mind work..like painting a artwork.
so its also an art....
so what we can call astrology an Artistic Science Am I correct??
its atheist side who believes astrology is a pseudoscience ...
thanks for the topic.......
have a great day/night......
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
wow, that seems to be a great word sagar, "Artistic Science". Yeah it seems like an art and science both together.I think the subject astrology should be given to researchers and find the facts about planets affecting human life. I think it's worth to do research on this wonderful subject.
@edwardjoy2000 (2387)
• United Arab Emirates
9 Jul 10
Astrology is purely co incidence...it is neither science nor art...Both art and science has definate results. Astrology is not always true...it alll depends on our attitude...we start believing thses things and something goes wrong we blame the stars for this.
@vijayanths (7877)
• India
15 Jul 10
Yes some people stay and idle and blame the stars for the poor results. But there is something in astrology edward. I wish you learn astrology basics so that you can comment with authority. It is purely the attitude that makes the difference between believers and non believers.