americans are americans
By jb78000
@jb78000 (15139)
July 15, 2010 4:39am CST
fair enough, there is a nasty racist history there, only being addressed slowly, but this is true everywhere. personally my first reaction on meeting an american is to reduce the sarcasm, use small words, and smile. later i might figure out what ethnic group his or her ancestors were, and use this to annoy them. what about you - do you see African-americans, Irish-americans, etc as being representatives of their ancestral countries or boring americans?
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@mrscallands22 (2851)
• United States
15 Jul 10
I have to agree with this comment. I don't think that because I am African American... I am a representative of Africa. I don't speak the languages.. I don't know anything about living over there... I don't know if I have any ancestors over there still alive... and I never plan to visit over there. I think that we are just reflections of what happened. Why we are here and where we've come from.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Jul 10
It's 5 am. Can't sleep. Want to sleep. Naughty blue bunny. Take a time out and go back into your cage. No carrots for you to day. I was accused of being racist yesterday. Th lady (I use the term advisedly) cussed me for about 20 minutes without using the same one twice. Oh forgot. She did use the eff word three or four ties at the end of her tirade.
So I sat there and then pointed to the family photos of all these beautiful brown children and grandchildren that reside on the top of my filing cabinet.She looked and I said that I had given birth to four of them. That was when she used the eff word and departed from my office.My coffee is made and I will drink it and go to work early.
Had a wonderful dinner party last Tuesday with friends from Tennessee and Boston. Didn't have to use small words at all as they are much brighter than I am.
Am I answering your discussion? I don't think so but am dropping by to update you as I don't get time to Mylot these days. Bye bye Blue Bunny. Be prepared to duck for cover from the responses from those who don't know you!
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Jul 10
Long words! Where? Re reads post anxiously: You are right. Grandchildren is a very long word. Sorry
Do you have a wilted lettuce leaf that you can send to this naughty bunny? Sometimes, she needs to be kept caged.
Thinks: will Dawn know what 'wilted' means? The word 'stale' has less letters.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
15 Jul 10
It's a miracle people can be friendly with you. Desperation maybe.
But have some pennies from me. You earn 'em.
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@Torunn (8607)
• Norway
15 Jul 10
As Americans. I have some Swedish relative back in the 17th century and a German something (miner I think) back around 1550, but that doesn't make me feel very Swedish or German :-) One of my American friends from another board has ancestors that came over with the Mayflower, she'd get very upset if we saw her as anything but American. So, as it's difficult to know when they came, it's best to see them all as Americans.
Once, I spent two days in Florence trying to avoid Americans pretending to be Scottish (I was there with a Scot, she nearly freaked out when she heard the conversation at the table next to us. He was convinced that he descended from Rob Roy and walked around in a kilt). After having seen a program with Americans trying to prove who was the most Norwegian one I understand that some are more connected to their roots than others, and that the ones who made the program has a very quite disturbed understanding of what it means to be Norwegian. Poor people. But the one that won and got to meet his whole Norwegian family was very happy and very pleased that they didn't dislike him for being gay. It was all very cute and he was so excited about telling everybody about when he got back.
But as national stereotypes go, Americans aren't boring. They're loud and annoying. I think Finns are considered boring (I don't agree, I like Finns), so are we (Norwegians) by some. Hmm, Germans maybe, the German stereotype doesn't really include fun and humour in abundance. I think they can be quite entertaining, although sometimes as loud as the Americans. And those a's, especially the ones from Northern Germany ...
Anyway, now I've wandered off topic again. Just in case someone wonders, this is not consistent with the Norwegian stereotype. We're supposed to be somewhat naive but friendly, very fond of nature, consentrate on the fact and not very talkative when we don't drink. And we stay on topic as long as you don't invade our personal space, if you come within a distance off about 2 meters we will get nervous and look for ways to escape.
Which might explain why I don't find Americans boring but often a bit scary: they hug! I can't see any reason to hug people. If you want to be formal, you shake hands, if you're in middle Europe you do the kiss on the cheek thingy, else you just say hi and go on. Hugging is for small crying children.
And I think they all hug, no mather where they anscestors where from.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Jul 10
I adore being hugged, I am a hugger but I know now not to hug you Dawn if we should ever meet. Why even yesterday I called a friend to come and hug me after the lady cussed me. Or was it the day before yesterday? I dunno
@Torunn (8607)
• Norway
15 Jul 10
I haven't yet met a non-hugging American, at least not of the ones I already new more or less from the net. Not a lot of hugging going on on conferences, but when I've met with American friends there have been hugging all around. They even insist on trying to hug me when I instinctly walk backwards til I hit a wall. So until proven otherwise, I've tucked you all (or should that be ya'll?) into the hugging-box. If you want to, you can borrow my whaling-harpoon to shoot yourself out of it ;-)
@sonofmercury (407)
• United States
16 Jul 10
more anti-American garbage that's all it is. America is a unique country. we were born out of the spirit of independence few if any can claim that. the country of Great Brittan was using the colonies as a dumping ground for their garbage for many years. is that the reason you are anti- American? the face that we have thrown off the shackles of tyranny and became the greatest country on earth? we have more people trying to get in to this country than trying to get out, that must say something. America holds more pattens than any other country we also happen to have the most billionaires . so there is no need to dumb your self down to speak to us. America is truly the land of opportunity. are you up set that we can say and do pretty much what we want? or is it the fact that we have a true republic and we don't have to give allegiance to a monarch. but please remember you anti American nonsense the next time you are in danger of being overrun and loosing your way of life, don't call us ( WWI and WWII )
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
17 Jul 10
Since you're relatively new here you have no way of knowing this...but the blue bunny is pulling your leg.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
15 Jul 10
I am Canadian and I see people as people, but it is difficult to see someone who still shows the dark skin, coloring, and features of his ancestors south of the Sahara, as someone other then an African American. I think that he came from Africa just recently or from Haiti.
It is much easier to see someone who is part Native American or who is of European background as American (or Canadian for that matter, although here we seem to think of them as their father's background). But in Canada, we tend to think of people whose ancestors came from Africa as either from the West Indies second and Canadian first because most of them were a mixture of either European and Negro rather then Negro and American Indian as is more common in the States.
In Canada this means that if someone is part European and part whatever, their children could turn out to look like any mixture, but in American, the Negro and the American strain carries on through so many generations, then one can see that continuing. I think it is due to the underlying red strain of the American Indian.
So here in Canada, if I see someone who is part European (no matter how many parts) and part Negro, I might think that person is Italian. While in American with this predominance of part American Indian (or Amerindian to use the correct term) and part Negro, I would have no doubt. If the person has some European in him or her, then it would be a little easier. With American Indians and whites, it would be the same up here, I would consider them Americans because I could not see the racial features shouting out.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
15 Jul 10
I heard the term in a National Geographic Magazine. And here most of the Indians are usually Assiniboine or Cree or Dakota Sioux. I was referring to the mixture that when someone who is Apache, Iroquois, Creek, Sioux, etc marries a person who is Negro, the children have an underlying redness in the skin tone. And the predominance continues throughout generations. Whereas when a European marries someone from Ghana, Nigeria, Todo, or if you want to get into detail, someone who is Bantu, Asanti, Zulu, etc. after a while if the children or the descendants marry Europeans, pretty soon that Negro strain no longer shows. Whereas with any of the American Indian tribes marries someone whose ancestor came from south of the Sahara, the two strains continue and it seems the African strain predominates.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
20 Jul 10
Ah only read the last sentence. I could use the term Negro since that was the old scientific term. What I mean is if someone from one of the Native American tribes marries someone who is a Negro and I do not want to go into the going through all the different Native Indian nationalities and see if that tribe married someone from that tribe of Africans south of the Sahara and go through all those nationalities because it would take too long.
It is that it seems that the red coloring or stain is a dominant trait when combined with the black coloring or stain of someone who is a Negro. So that means that whereas if a white person married a black person (or Negro if you want to use the old term) after a while their descendants may look like Italians, or may be darker skinned with European features, it does not happen if an American Indian of any tribe marries someone who is Negro.
So that is why that many can claim to be AFrican American even if there is only one percent Negro genetic makeup in them.
I use strain to mean - well white people with European features are descended from Japheth, black people with Negro features are descended from Ham, white and medium colored people with Arabic and Jewish features are descended from Shem and each of the three groups have different combinations of features.
But because there are some people who assume that this is racist by writing it, I decided to use the term strain.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
16 Jul 10
That's not fair, Rollo.
You know that true racial equality--social justice--doesn't come from actually letting the brown people hold any sort of position of power. We all know that they can never make it by themselves.
No. America is still that silly backwards place because we don't have the universal healthcare and uberpot of entitlement programs to give people things. Yet.
Therefore we're not nearly as advanced.
It's not about providing the seeds, it's about passing out bruised fruit stolen from another's tree in a fit of guilt-induced hysteria in the name of "helping."
That's the only true societal progress. And don't worry about going bankrupt or having corrupt officials move in while you're catching your nightly eurphoric rush from the local news story about a little black child who had his arm reset for free after an accient. Bad things will never happen in lala land. We'll all be so free (of guilt) and happy.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Jul 10
Excuse me, but I would like to complain about the use of long words in this post. Actually, I'd like to complain about myself for using longer words than I should be using. Where do I go to complain?
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
15 Jul 10
"tome"? That's too big of a small word, please rephrase.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Jul 10
I have just coined a new word. I do thinks like that all the time. I am good at making up words - but not long words
When I grow up I am going to know a lot of long words. Why, just today, I am saying a naughty word that ever never escaped my lips (only once or twice) but I am thinking it and it is not long - only four letters.
I am not being good today at all. I told the gardeners that they were driving me to an early grave. My GM used to say that to us sometimes and then we would cry. Did they cry? No. They laughed. I am passed being stressed. I am not answering the phone and told the Security to tell anyone who will phone him for me to tell them that I have had a heart attack - and that they are all driving me to an early grave. Oh well, back to the letter re knickers.
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@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Jul 10
Report it all in writing in triplicate to me - that means 3 copies. And please when responding do not use long words as this lady does not know all the long words. But she does know grandchildren and that 'Mississippi is a very long word and can you spell it'. That's as far as it goes.
Now back to my boring list of
advisory notes' to tenants telling them not to swim in their knickers or briefs. Letting down the tome of this place
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
15 Jul 10
I'm very proud to be an AMERICAN. Sounds like u have a problem w/us, Get over it, WE ARE HERE TO STAY.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
20 Jul 10
I want especially british rabbits. U just like to stir up a stink, i think.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
15 Jul 10
Hey there rabbit! Personally, I think it's hard to use an American's ancestral origins to annoy them since so many of us are a combination of so many ethnic groups. I have Irish, English and German blood and, while I tend to identify more with my Irish roots since my maiden name was an Irish one, I'm not going to flip out over an Irish slur. I've met very few American born African-Americans who are more African than American. IMO, if being an American is all you know, that's what you are regardless of your family history.
Using small words and smiling is always good...especially if an American is forced to deal with "the accent".
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Jul 10
Hmmm, I think you would need a Spanish accent *and* to only know a little bit of English. That would increase the annoyance factor. :)
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
15 Jul 10
Why put people in boxes with labels on it? We are all Americans. Beginning and end of it. I am a mutt. I am of a mixed heritage. I can not say I am a representative of those countries because I have never lived there and was not raised in their culture. I was raised an American. So therefore that is what I am. Sorry to disappoint but I am a boring old american.
As for our nasty history...every country has some nasty parts in their history. things that we wish had not happened...but why blame present generations for something they were a part of? They were not even around when it happened. they had not control over it. They had nothing to do with it. So why beat them over the head for something they had no control over or a part in?
I hate what the founders of this country did to the native americans. I hate that we EVER had slavery. But you know what...you can't hold me responsible for it. I was not around then. I am not responsible for what happened. I have a hard enough time with the injustices going on NOW to worry about the ones that happened long ago.
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
15 Jul 10
Both of my countries have had a lot of nasty history. And even recent history because of what happened in May or June of this year
Blue bunny just likes to cause confusion sometimes and enjoys the reaction from people but lilwonders I so agree with you.
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@cupkitties (7421)
• United States
15 Jul 10
Cultural wise no I'm not representative of my ancestors original home. Since I haven't been outside of America I can't say for certain but I would think we are representative of several countries mixed together. Remember there are more than just African and Irish-American in this country. By the way only those of African ancestry are called by the name of ancestors home country and then American after. No one says Irish, German, Japanese- American over here. No I don't know why that is.
@GardenGerty (160663)
• United States
16 Jul 10
My Swedish friends who live in "Little Sweden USA" still just seem to call themselves Swedish. And the Czechoslovakians just call themselves Checks. (Czechs) even though they have scrambled all of the old countries over in that region.
@Memnon (2170)
•
17 Jul 10
Hmm. Being a Brit with a penchant for long words, and an accent that my English colleagues say is too posh for them, does this mean that I will have difficulty making myself understood here?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Jul 10
I will be offering American Redneck language lessons shortly. Perhaps that will help.
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
17 Jul 10
You know, I would rule the world if I could only figure out how j ck of s like you had friends.
Brits are too.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Jul 10
jb whats with you and Americans, this is getting a b it much, I am a nice person, and smart too so what is your point, just riling us for something to do. I see my fellow Americans as nice people so w hat the heck is your problem, why do you hate Americans? I do not hate you, but I do not get any jokes about this discussion at all.I am a IrishScottish American as my 3 grgr gr grandparents on both sides came from Scotland and Ireland respectively.any more boring than you own fellow people from your country.?
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Jul 10
before you throw rotten tomatoes at me for being an american I finally got some of what you were driving at, although I mention that my 3 times great grandparents were from Scotland and Ireland let me assure yoy I do not actually call myself anything but an American. I still wonder about the motive of this discussion as it does not tickle my funny bone as some of yours have, it just sort of hurts.as for boring boring happens in lots of countries. I only mentioned my basic heritage because I have worked for many years following my faMily tree.I have a feeling that no matter what I say, I m getting a rabbit attack.
@dragonlady9947 (122)
• United States
16 Jul 10
Wow - bring back the old memories! When I lived in Vienna, we used to go down to the 'walking street' and laugh at the American tourists. We could tell by their clothing and accents they were American. We would laugh and laugh. I am sure they would be upset because they are so self centered, they cannot imagine that anyone would think they are a joke!
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
19 Jul 10
Once while in London, my niece and I were about to use the services of a taxi whose driver was of a foreign extraction. As the previous fare was disembarking, the taxi driver handed the man his change. Somehow the man had failed to lay hands on that change, several pound notes, and immediately began accusing the taxi driver, in no uncertain terms, of cheating him. My niece found the money on the ground and asked the man if he had dropped it. He took the money from my niece, mumbled something about foreigners, never apologized to the taxi driver for falsely accusing him, nor did he thank my niece for finding his money and handing it over to him. What was the nationality of this man?