Are The Poor People Really Dishonest ? A Question...

You know Krajibg, in recent few years, thinking of people has changed a lot, more and more people are becoming open minded. Now people have started to realized that every person is a human being first and his being rich or poor, honest or dishonest is his or her personal matter and people try not to interfere into personal matters of people unless it become a crime and is really harmful for third person. Young educated people have different views now a days and I like it. But I also know that it will still take long time for the whole world to think in same way.

apsara again, yes people have started coming out of the tiny holes where their thoughts and action would remain hibernated. Change is necessary too. not that I am poor and I am advocating for the cause of the poor. What I was trying to was to focus on the demeaning mentality that some people still hold. Those grammars were written long back I guess. And the now generation hardly short out who is who? And yes it would take a long time to change the entire perspective on such volatile issue. thanks.

hi apsara, i do not think I had got confused. I agree with you and to your words here. But when a contradiction is made one must emerge positive. Say the sentence read 'Although she is poor she is honest'. Do not you think here tagging her as poor and honesty an occasional thing in her class,we have added a plus to the rich? By default they are good souls and the poor are bad and only sometime some body could be honest. Look at the application. How shrewdly it is accomplished. The sentence quoted out rights the poor being honest. On the contrary the rich are honest. Rest of your stuff are nice indeed.

hi ward, Well put pun. lol Yeah I do not say they are not dishonest. They are, because they are needy and are forced to stealing or rolling down to dishonesty for they were forced by the rich in the society that went on squeezing them out until they stood all bonny. Or take it on the government. If it had a plan for the poor class thee would not be dishonesty among them. And what about the rich? Are they honest as suggested in the sentence quoted? Their dishonesty rather resulted in the dishonesty in the poor. Thank you.

Only one interpretation/ O gdear, in that case I think I will rest my case, since I do n ot think that there is anything else to discuss.

You got me wrong my friend. if interpreted academically, what I wanted to say. Since this was related to teaching grammar I did not see any other interpretation involved here. Metaphorically or semantically you can do so in many ways. I think I could clear your doubt./

Hi rosdimy, There is only one interpretation about the sentence which says in a round about way that poor are dishonest. Undoubtedly this academic thing but we learn to grow and behave as our education teaches us. You would agree with me perhaps that an educated mind is somewhat different from an uneducated ones. My point is if the grammarian really had to pick up an example to show adverb of contradiction he/she could go for something else like 'though she is knowledgeable she lacks in confidence'. Why hit at the poor? Yes my friend honesty is not any one's property. But here in the sentence it is applied in such a manner as if all honesty is owned by rich people and only few poor could be honest but do not forget about their being poor. lol Thank you.

Hi laurelle, Well, very nice analogy indeed. Money is not a measuring tool to label if one is honest and the other is dishonest. But when you are taught such discriminating thing in school in the process of learning you would be guided indirectly though to form an impression tat the poor are actually dishonest people and only few of them are honest and you know exception doe not make it a rule. Thank you very much.

Aaleexix, My friend the purpose was to show how contradiction is a complex sentence are shown. The sentence you wrote " Though she is rich she is honest" - here both the parts are positive. Since being rich is regarded as positive happenings, being poor is a negative thing for none of us would love to be a pauper. would we? Mere understanding the inner meaning would not help, you need to come up to the ground reality for all literature and books reflect the tendency prevailing in a given society. thanks for the add.

" Though she is rich she is honest" " Though she is rich she is dishonest" " Though she is poor she is honest" " Though she is poor she is dishonest" Only the last sentence can erase the blame from the head of poor. Ironically out of these three only last one is in favor of the poor!

The inert meaning of the sentence is that poor has the chance to be dishonest. It is contradiction that she would have dishonest but surprisingly she is honest. I just analyze the inert meaning of the sentence. Though the sentence is used in grammar but we can't ignore the feelings of the sentence. It reflect the views of the people and through the education system the concept is conveyed that poor are dishonest. So it is a matter of reasoner whether poor are really dishonest. As some people says here that rich are more dishonest than poor. If so why the sentence was not constructed as "Though she is rich she is honest" It's a great question who are more dishonest. Rich or poor. Circumstances says that poor has the major chance to be dishonest. Circumstances compel them to be dishonest. But how less in the race to be dishonest. Greed, extreme desire, to be more rich .... rich are also not in the back step in the race. So ..... like the question of egg and hen..... what comes first????

Hi ramya, yes more or less we all are honest and dishonest at times. and this is really disparaging to tag the poor ones as dishonest lots. thank you for sharing and welcome to mylot family.

Hi grecy, you are right. in the simpler version both the rich and the poor are honest and dishonest. What makes difference is the situations. Still I feel the text books should be carefully written so tat none is hurt. Thank you.

hii sid, I agree. Both on different conditions are cheats and thus dishonesty follow their foot steps. But how fair is it to pin point in a book where school kids learn thing about life and other things as well? Your example of the boss is apt and it shows who is swimming at what depth of the pond. thank you.

Hi elmiko, yes, you got it I guess. The writer of the grammar books failed to realize that such examples could be disparaging. There are so many contradictory sentences and why could not he/she pick up one or two out of there? thank you for sharing.

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Hi dawn, very apt interpretation. Loved it. Yes those are the books which were written by our colonial cousins and are still on the selves without any modification in the contents. And you would not find such an example in any recent grammar books or the ones that are revised every year or every alternate year. These are bilingual text. thanks for sharing. And what happened to my ministry? lol

Hi Jen, What we see in real life of today. People hardly judge you on your being rich or advantaged or poor. The text books that are still in circulation had been written long back and were so without taking the sentiment thing into account. You are correct that being poor does not necessarily mean one is dishonest and rich is honest.

Hi maezee, You would not if you are following a grammar written by an English or native speakers of the language. Yes it is all stereotype. What was written 60 years ago is being reprinted and are still in circulation without caring that some elements in the book could hurt the feelings of the poor. These grammar books are basically bilingual. And hopelessly they thought to elaborate a contradiction in a complex sentence such sentence would be much better. thank you for dropping.

Hi zhouxi, So you would say that both poor and the rich are honest and dishonest in different situations. Thank you .

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Hi thennarasugr, you seem right. The poor have better sleep at night since they have no heat burn over anything like the people. They are in peace for they do not have to rat race for more money to be able to stick around the competition. On such event they are more prone to dishonesty for they wish to make it to by hook or crook. I do not say either that poor are not dishonest at all. The tendency to be dishonest stems at their poverty. But if they can manage two square meals and a shelter to settle I do not think they would play dishonest. Thank you. No, I did not find any spelling error.

Thanks Krajibr.. i really like this stuff.. keep discussing such interesting thing.. :)

You are welcomed.

There are some obnoxious elements that think the poor are by nature dishonest. If they are dishonest, one need to look for the back ground too. And applying that poor are such a lot you are trying to bestow all positivity on the rich. That is unfair. yes I agree with you the notion of honesty or dishonesty mostly lie on action rather than one's being - rich or poor. Thank you Pose.

Hi sender, you have put the right words. any one can be both honest and dishonest and monetary status has nothing to add anything to it. Thank you.

Hi hanuma, your words seem quite convincing. But I would not agree with you. If you think dishonesty stems primarily from dire necessity why are rich hundred times more dishonest than the poor? How come an MP or a minister in India becomes millionaire within five years and still go on multiplying the sum? Is it his honesty or would you call it dishonesty. Well, if the poor are dishonest it is because the government has not been honest in its policy. you know those who are on the hot seats are not paupers. I hope you got my point.

I agree with you that the educationists while writing textbook ought to be careful not to write such sentences that would influence the mind of little ones. It would sow the seed of an idea in child's mind that if someone were poor, he would be dishonest; and if someone were rich, he would ipso facto be honest. This is what i am more concerned about achilles. Time has changed and we hardly discriminate as to who is rich and who is poor. But if one has to learn such thing in the premature stage the impact would be too large and too much negative. thank you friend.

Thats what I think too.

Hi sakthi, Yes, I agree wit you honesty lie more in te mind and action than in riches but our social norms are such only those who are rich are honest and only they can do justice. The poor are dishonest. Just reflect, if they are dishonest who and what made them so? Thank you for the response.