is it ok for a child to have no middle name in birth certificate

Philippines
July 21, 2010 7:01am CST
i know that in the philippines we value legitimacy of the child like we tend to have a middle name and surename. im a single mother and my baby will going to follow my surename and since i will put my name as her mother in the birth certificate it means that she will not allowed to use my middle name or she will become my sister instead of my child besides they said that if i want my child to have middle name same as mine then i should put my parents as her parents in the birth certificate but i dont want to do that. I just want to know if theres someone who have the same experience like mine in the philippines and what do they do since the father left us so he cant sign the birth certificate to use his surename. Im also thinking that if she have no middle name she will only get some bully from other people specially in school that shes illegitimate and has no father just because of that.
17 responses
@Angelgirl16 (2171)
• United States
21 Jul 10
Hi homeshoppers, I don't tend to know the rule on births in the Phillippines, but it is a shame that you are having to go this decision. Here in the United States, not having a middle name on the birth certificate has never been a problem. However, I have some friend with middle names they use, but it is not on their birth certificate. They just thought it would be cool to have one. What do you parents think about the situation? You have to do what is best to protect your child, now and in the future. You mentioned about being bullied in school later on. That thought should be a hugh factor in what you decide. The most important thing is to love her, no matter what decision you make. Good luck
• United States
22 Jul 10
Hi, I am hoping that you are feeling better and not stressing too much over this situation. It seems so complicated when a child is born in a situation like this one. She is here and I am sure she is beautiful and ready for lots of tender loving care. A child is precious no matter where they are born or what circumstance surrounds them or whether they have a middle name or not. The governments can be unfeeling sometimes, but we all have to obey or live by their standards, I guess. I wish you well, you and your little one.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes thanks, though its not about the government im worried with coz i know they will understand since its in the law. im thinking about other people since not all are open minded people here in our country specially those catholic school as some of them didnt accept child if they are illegitimate and etc. im just worried with my child feelings in the future if some bullied her she have no father and etc. I know it will be hard for her but i will try to explain to her little by little if the time comes that she will ask those questions. I guess i need to enroll her to a lot of activities so she will become busy and have a lot of friends to make her feel that theres a lot of people love her.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
actually a lot told me to just follow my surename without MN since theres a lot of child who used to have that here in our country and that family code was just introduce recently here in our country so maybe by the time she grow up its already acceptable here though i ant enroll her in catholic school to avoid any problem. they told me to just write without MN so i can easily change her name in the future once i got married so there will be no more question unlike if i write my MN with her it will become a problem and a lot of legal documents needed since it will show that we become sister since we use both our MN and LN. I just read a lot of forum online and i saw parenting forum where theres a lot of single mother there who have the same issue as mine and thats what they did actually. i feeling better now. Thanks
@sender621 (14893)
• United States
21 Jul 10
Having a middle name on a borth certificate is not a necessary requirement. It is just an option. I know several people who do not have a middle names. It has not changed who they are just because they don't have three names on a piece of paper.
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
yes i know its allowed in other country but i never heard someone without middle name here in our country, in fact most of public and private documents here required us to enter middle name and i wonder if it will become a problem in the future if she will grown up specially in school. i dont want her to received discrimination as i know people in our country since we value marriage here. not all people here are open minded as most of them are to narrow minded to accept those illegitimate children.
@rhodzptc (1317)
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
It would not be a trouble at all since they are allowed the only thing I can see is that when he grew up and asked why he/she doesn't have a middle name I hope there has to be a better explanation with that. I work on insurance company some of our policy owner who doesn't have middle sometimes having problem in securing their documents because they are cases of mistaken identity.
• Philippines
9 Jul 11
wow, i like this! absolutely right. I am also in a the same situation like yours right now.. I am a single mom and wondering if it is okay if my child dont have middle name. Till i'll get married that's the time my child could have a middle name from my surname and her surmane will be from my future husband.. Am really very proud that I have the surname of my daughter right now..since his father didn't fight it at the moment that im going to get the birth certificate of his child. Anyway, im not that kind of person really force for his sake. God Bless!
@kylina (178)
22 Jul 10
Well, I don't think she's going to get bullied because of a lack of middle name - I don't think I've heard of anyone that has been bullied 'cause they don't have a middle name. Is it possible to just make up a middle name? Here in London, they don't really need middle names. They only use middle names if they want one. Five years I've been here, I never needed to really use a middle name.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
in our country its different in the way of thinking here, we are not that open minded people as most of people here are narrow minded. i know its open in other country but in our country we are too sensitive regarding this issue.
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
You can still use the baby's father's surname. This way,you are giving your child a father. Here in our country,there is no such illegitimate child,but illegitimate parents. It is not the child's choice to be born without both parents,but it is the parent's choice to make baby out of wedlock. So,your child has all the right to use the father's surname. Then,you can put your surname as the middle one.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
actually i cant use her father surename coz we need him to sign the paper as proof that he accepted the baby as his own specially if were not married unless if were married as no need for him to sign as i can just show the marriage certificate. he left us without any words i saw him but he have no intention of talking to me in short he take off his responsibility as the father of my child so i also dont want him to be added as the father. besides they will also take it off and put N/A in the father column once i submitted the birth certificate for registration if they can see no signature from the father.
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
It's the same case with my nephew.He has my sister's last name and no middle name.they now leave in europe but he still carries a philippine passport.i also asked my sister about that before and she says, the fact that she is a single mom then her son shouldn't take her middle name or else there would be confusion on who the parents are.he is already almost 15 years old and he understands why he has no middle name.why don't you ask the national statistics office about it or your municipal office.
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
i guess your right i shouldnt put my middle name as her middle name to avoid confusion in the future of whose her parents are as once they saw that she bear my surename without middle name they can easily think that im a single mother than put both my middle name and surename then if they ask her whose her father it will only be a long story to tell why she didnt follow her father surename. i already call them and they told me i shouldnt put my middle name to avoid any problem in the future in case i got married so i can easily transfer her name to my husband surename and use mine as middle name.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
if you don't even want the kid's name to have your future husband's surname in time then that would still be fine.it's just a matter of a healthy communication with your child and your husband to be.i believe too that her identity with just your maiden name on hers is a proud and unique one representing how strong both of you are as mother and child to have been able to manage a single parenthood life. good luck!
• Philippines
8 Apr 12
I am an illegitimate child bearing the surname of my mother and no middle name under the Philippine law since I was not recognized by my father. Yes, it maybe shameful of having no middle name, an indication of being illegitimate but the factor that really destructed and discriminated me of having no middle name is the difficulty in processing my documents esp.abroad. I realized right now though not our own fault that having no middle name will lock some opportunities that can be enjoyed for those have middle name. I am an accountant applying for K.S.A. and fortunately was hired and submitted the necessary requirement to my agency.When I was applied for a VISA, unluckily it was denied and hinder me for that opportunity because it is required in Saudi Embassy and some other countries to put middle name in applying VISA. Right now, I am looking remedy under the law how can I bear both the middle name and surname of my mother. This is the problem I am facing right now. I also need some advice. Here's my mobile:09126668181.I am also praying for HB 4649 introduced by Cong. Angelo B. Palmones last 2011 that this will finally become a law. This bill allow an illegitimate child to bear both the middle name and surname of the mother through an ammendement of our existing civil codes/articles. Thanks.....
@ancel_rdd (111)
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
When she grows up and ask you about this you just have to explain it to her. That you gave birth to her out of wedlock and you truly love her. This situation of hers does not make her a lesser being and she is a child of God, a beautiful creation. Nourish her and love her. For sure, if she felt your love she won't bother care for her father or for having no middle name. I hope you raise well your child even with the hardship of single parenthood.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes your right, i will just explain to her why. and i guess if she grow up with full love and support then i dont think she will feel bad about it no matter what other people think about her.
@xtedaxcvg (3189)
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
I agree that you won't be tagged as siblings if your child used the same middle name as you. I don't think it works that way. Since you're a single mom, it's only fitting that your child gets the same middle name as yours.
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
actually according to census people or those who will validate birth certificate they will automatically delete the father name if the father failed to sign at the back of he birth certificate if they are not married and it will automatically put my surename as my child surename so she will not going to follow my middle name or we will become siblings, thats according to the person whom i talk to. but im not sure if its really true or not as i also read in law online having the same answer. so im just worried if theres someone who have the same issue and how they handle it or its already acceptable in our country since i never heard someone without middle name here as most of our documents required us to enter middle name.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
22 Jul 10
sure why not? it was a common thing to do in europe many years ago too. both my inlaws (are from germany) and dont have middle names.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes i know in other country its common and acceptable but in our country its not that widely accepted of not having MN since most of our documents here wither public or private requires MN.
@TheAdvocate (2392)
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
I had classmates in college with no middle names because they were illegitimate. That was in the 80s and I studied in Catholic schools. It was not a big deal for us, we just shrugged it off as another unique situation. I understand there are still some schools who will not accept illegitimate children, but they are a minority. If you are that concerned, you might want to consult a lawyer. There are ways to address the issue if it means so much to you. But these are legal remedies and it is no guarantee that your child will not be bullied in school. Times are changing though, and nowadays, illegitimacy is no longer a hot topic.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes i know but you dont know the way of thinking here in our country when it comes to issue like this. our country is not that open minded people to accept this kind things. though i already read forum from single parents also here in the philippines about the same issue and they said its alright besides by the time my daughter will grow up, its already acceptable here in our country. i know theres illegitimate child even before but they followed the mother parents as the child parents in their birth certificate. anyway its ok now. no problem with it.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
It's probably hard for the child seeing that she's different from the other kids who has a middle initial in their names. But people hardly pay attention to this anymore. In fact people are more open to single parenthood, separation and annulments nowadays. As we became more westernized, our culture also changed. Of course we can avoid people to make gossips about how your personal life but more often these type of people have more to hide. I have a niece who is also illegitimate and she's living a normal life like any teenager. The important thing to you should do is to make sure that she understands that having no middle name doesn't make her less of a person.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes though i just hate explanation someday if someone heard like why my child have no MN what happened to the father and etc. specially if they will ask that to my child alone i know she will feel bad about it since people here are too narrow minded like its a big shock to them if they know about a person have NM so they will ask everything why. though maybe i will just tell my daughter to just ignore them and dont explain and let them guess and make their own problem why it happened as long as we are happy with our life
• United States
22 Jul 10
My cousin have the same situation like you. She used her middle and family name. to her baby birth certificate and she put her parents as his parent too. Well, the baby will grow up on you and she will recognized you as her mommy. I knew how important that birth certificate but that's how it should be.! later you can amend that birth certificate once you find your real man.!
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes that was m friend did she also use her parents as the parents of her baby, though the problem is the benefits the baby can get since my parents are no longer working of course the baby will not get any benefits unlike if shes under me as her mother in her birth certificate, she can also have a free medical health card and other free benefits as my child.
@jennyze (7028)
• Indonesia
22 Jul 10
I don't know much about giving names as in Indonesia we do not have a surename, what we have is a clan name. However, most of the people in Indonesia do not have clan, so we end up having first name and middle name only. When we have to fill in forms in English where they want to know our first name and surename, we stuck. Mostly we just write our middle name as our surename, but of course this is not so. I even have a colleague who only has one name. He never got a USA visa entry even after several time trying. He went toseveral times Asian countries and he does not have any bad record. Young generation is now adopting Western culture in giving children their father's name. Makes it easier.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
i guess it depends to the value and belief of each country as ours is also different since we are into family oriented and we really value complete family like having father and mother, though i know illegitimacy has been an issue here even before and its already accepted but what i know is that they have MN, though right now they already have a new family code regarding this. im just aware about it now as i really never heard someone without MN here in our country. anyway, now i already know.
• United States
22 Jul 10
I feel that it is more difficult for that child that doesn't have a middle name when he or she becomes an adult because they maybe negatively mistaken for someone with the same name.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
yes thats true, i also have heard that like mistaken identity, i saw in new that a girl was captured coz her name was held wanted. she told policeman its not her and she stayed in prison for many months before she was released. but in a case like that then perhaps the birth certificate will help as it show there the mother so even if they have the same name but as long as its different mother then that will work.
@diogz22 (516)
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
If the father of your child acknowledges your baby by all means you can use the father's sure name for your baby's sure name and the baby's middle name will be your sure name. You can ask help from the NSO help desk regarding your situation. They can give you the best advise on what to do.
• Philippines
22 Jul 10
the father left us and his not around to sign the paper beside i have no intention of accepting him back as his nothing to me now. such an irresponsible person who doesnt deserve to be called as father of my baby.
@mspitot (3824)
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
Yes, I'm afraid that if she won't have a middle name, she will feel different when she grows older. I'm sorry but I don't know what to do about this case. I'll ask some people about this one. You may also ask your municipal registry office about this matter too. I hope your baby is healthy.
• Philippines
21 Jul 10
yes im also thinking if she grow upas i know we all have middle name here since most of our documents required us to have it even if we apply for work they ask our middle name so i wonder if its already accepted in our country. coz normally like what my friend case, shes a single mother but her son borth certificate put her parents as his parents than her since theres no father, while if they are not married the son can still use the father last name if the father will sign at the back of the birth certificate to confirm that its his son even if they are not married. but in my case since the father cant sign they told me to leave the father as blank and i dont want to use my parents as her parents coz i want her to be my dependent specially in my health card and other benefits as my child and other things and i need to put my name as her mother to get the money from my SS maternity benefits coz if not then i cant get any.
@ancel_rdd (111)
• Philippines
24 Jul 10
http://www.fathersloveletter.com/video1.html Your baby must watch this when she's old enough. It is God's love letter to us. For we are children of God.
• Canada
18 Aug 11
Is it out of the question to just give her a middle name that you like, just like the first name? Does it have to be someone else's middle name or last name? Can you give her your first name as her middle name? Here, we just pick two names that we like to the be the first and middle names, with the parents last name as the last name. If the parent's have different last names, sometimes we put them together, like this: Father = John Smith Mother = Jane Doe Baby = Susannah April Doe-Smith (with Susannah and April picked just because we like them) or maybe the parents choose one of their two names to be the baby's last name, like just Susannah April Smith or Susannah April Doe. It's interesting to hear how different places around the world deal with names.