How will republicans deal with Palin in the primary?

United States
July 23, 2010 10:51pm CST
I was thinking earlier tonight about the theory that Karl Rove picked Sarah Palin for VP in 2008. The interesting part of this theory is that it has now totally back fired on the GOP the same way that Rove thought it would lead McCain/Palin to victory. If you talk to a group of people and say something bad about Sarah, you will find that at least a few people will defend her, even if they don't really like her that much. If you look at discussion on here, some of the ones with the most comments are about her. So the problem then becomes if you are running against her, how do you attack her? The Obama people did a good job of showing her inability to answer the simplest questions, but that won't fly in a GOP primary. So what do you think about this theory, and who really can go after her without being attacked for doing it?
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11 responses
• United States
24 Jul 10
Honestly...I don't think she will run...or rather I don't see why the republican party would run her on the ticket. She is too polarizing. The religious right love her, the hardcore republicans love her...the rest is hit or miss BIG TIME. I don't see her pulling in many independents or non party creatures. She would get the poeple who would vote for the republcian candidate no matter who it was. But I don't see her bringing in any swing votes. I know personally unless they run Ron Paul or someone with libertarain leanings...I will go third party...again. I won't vote for Palin because in my opinion she is just a status quo republican...more of the same. If she does run...well it won't be hard to attack her. If she keeps just using "catch phrases" with no real substance (like she usually does)...or does a few more horrible interviews like the Katie Curic one...where she comes off as clueless..then it won't be hard at all to discredit her. Enless the Republican party wants to just give the next election to Obama they better come up with someone really good. If they are just going to run someone like Palin or McCain again...why bother.
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• United States
25 Jul 10
I agree with you LIL, on her division of the party, and her us vs. them appeal only works on the extremes. The problem with her receiving the parties domination is that may force Ron Paul to the third party, and that will ensure another 4 years of Obama. I have a feeling they are pinning their hopes on Gingrich, I have seen a lot of him around, and besides some personal marriage issues, and some ethics issues he is pretty creatable. It wouldn't surprise me to see Sarah get Michael Steele's job as head of the RNC. She can bring in a lot of money, she will make a lot of money (and lets all face it, that is what is important to her), and it will keep her out of the race in 2012.
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• United States
25 Jul 10
I hope you are wrong about Gingrich...if he gets it I am voting third party.
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• United States
25 Jul 10
He has been talking about this for awhile, but if Democrats can hold on to the house and senate, it will pretty much be a lock for him to run, and probably win the nomination. Contract with America II!!
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@Iequate2 (280)
• United States
24 Jul 10
One thing is certain. I do not think that Sarah Palin will ever win the presidency. As a matter of fact, most men will not vote for a female for president. The woman running for president will have to be extremely smart, well versed, tough, and knowledgeable about foreign policy. Additionally, she will have to have a law degree, and be rich!!
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• United States
25 Jul 10
I hate to agree with you, but you are correct. I spoke with some people who said that they wouldn't for McCain because she could be come president, and many people were afraid of that. I am not worried about a women running the country, men have done a great job of screwing this country up, maybe a women can fix it (that's what they all THINK they do best, if you don't believe me get married).
@Iequate2 (280)
• United States
25 Jul 10
lol
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Jul 10
The reason people were criticized for the attacks on her is that the vast majority of the attacks were personal. I never saw people ripping into Biden over his daughter's indiscretions. I never saw anyone rip into Nanci Pelosi for being a mother of 4 when seeking office. I never once saw people criticize Obama for having his children on the campaign trail, trotting them on stage, or for doing a two hour segment with them on TV. Also nobody attacked Obama or Biden for how much was spent on their clothes. Also no other candidate's children were attacked. That type of garbage was exclusive to Palin. Seriously, find me a government funded news organization in any country that printed crap about Obama like the CBC did about Palin in Canada. http://news.spreadit.org/thats-all-we-have-for-now-on-heather-mallick-cbc-palinheather-mallick-sarah-palin-blast/ With the sole exception of the Troopergate crap, the only thing people really didn't attack her over was what she did as governor (although they did make plenty up). There was also the issue of the morons in the media, including people at Fox News, believing that guy who pretended to be part of the McCain campaign claiming that she didn't know Africa was a continent.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
24 Jul 10
Taskr, do you remember how badly Palin did in her interview with Katie Couric? She certainly isn't an attack dog and Palin came out of that one looking pretty uninformed and foolish. And let's not forget how John McCain was forced to tell a scared little old lady that Obama was a decent man. He lost control over her during the campaign which made him look like a very ineffective leader. Her rallies were ugly and divisive because she favored terms like "real Americans", suggesting that anyone who didn't believe as she did wasn't a real American. She is the postergirl of division and no candidate for president wants that in a V.P.
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• United States
24 Jul 10
Taskr, you couldn't have proven my point any better. The minute that Rudy, or Newt start to go after her, those people in the party that see 2008 happening all over again will come out and attack them much like they attacked EVERYONE that said ANYTHING about Palin. Not only that, but every other candidate running will be a man, it is always challenging attacking a women no mater who you are. I really think that it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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• United States
24 Jul 10
Kenny, the problem with attacking her record is that she doesn't have much of one, and many parts of her record are questionable at best (trooper gate, travel expenses, love of earmarks). This is a women that hired a lobbyist to get as many earmarks as they could find, and then told the American people that she didn't like earmarks. The reason she left the state with all of that money is due to the Bush energy bill that allowed energy companies to charge what ever price they wanted. The funny part about using that to prove how great she is, is that most of that money came from THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. The oil companies ran the price of oil up to $147 a barrel, thus Alaska's royalties went up dramatically, all on the back of THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Then she took any earmark she could find which came from the tax dollars of THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. So she has a record of REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, not managing her state. It isn't hard to find where to spend OTHER PEOPLES money KENNY!!!!
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
24 Jul 10
Wow...no easy question to answer. I guess it depends what republicans you are talking about. I will probably re-register as a republican so I can vote in the primaries and hope to get a libertarian-ish candidate on the republican ballot. But you know me well enough to know I'm not what you would call a republican. In fact if the candidate on the republican ballot isn't at least at par with someone along the lines of Ron Paul or someone else who is pretty libertarian, I will go "3rd party" again. If the anti liberty hi-jackers in the "Tea Party caucus" and the PAC-jackers have their way, Palin will be in the race and be called a "Tea Party candidate"...and millions of sheep will buy it. Will she actually win the republican nomination under those circumstances? Maybe. I'm still hoping for a dark horse (please dear goddess, in the name of all that is sacred on your green earth PLEASE send us a dark horse) to emerge and maybe get on the ticket. The primaries could well come down to a contest between Ron Paul and Sarah Palin, but no matter who wins that contest, republicans will probably vote for the republican candidate. There is also I think this coming election the probability of a third candidate in the general. It is so ripe for that right now, especially if the republican party throws up another generic establishment type candidate. If the Libertarian party can crank up a national machine of a comparable caliber to the D's or the R's, they could run a legitimate race. I think if they could properly get their message out there, people will listen to it, they could very easily capture the middle of the road centrists from both the other two parties. If Palin winds up as a third party candidate or independent, we will see a democratic victory again in 2012 and Obama will have another 4 years. That much is a certainty.
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• United States
25 Jul 10
X, as usual I couldn't have said it better myself. If Palin ISN'T the candidate then you know people will want her to run, and if she does it will split the vote. The other issue you have is if Ron Paul decides to run, and again is shut out of the race, than he MAY (which is what I would like to see) run as a third party candidate (we all know he wanted to do that in 2008, but decided not to). At Paul's age he knows that he doesn't have to many more years in him to keep this up, but I am sure that he knows that if he runs as a third party candidate then he will give Obama a second term. Personally, I think that GOP is SCREWED!!!!
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• United States
31 Jul 10
LIL, the problem is that it is going to cost about $400 Million to win the election in 2012. That means you are going to owe a lot of people a lot of favors, and that is going to cost a lot of money for the government. Until we change how we elect our officials, we will never be able to control our national budget.
• United States
27 Jul 10
Great debator----no matter which side wins..if someone that is not truely fiscally responsible wins (like Ron Paul) we are ALL screwed. Forget about the parties...I could care less about them...but we the american public will be screwed over big time.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
24 Jul 10
I really don't believe it will be an issue because I really don't see any serious candidate being willing to take the chance with her. Palin is too divisive. Her tactic of claiming that "real Americans" agreed with her put of many real Americans who didn't. If she were to make it into VP candidateland again I don't believe there would be a need for attacks. Just let her go as she did before and she will bring the campaign down in flames once again. A good ticket unites people...it doesn't divide them further.
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• United States
24 Jul 10
I agree that she is way to divisive for the country, but look at the political climate right now. You have the Tea Party people that want nothing to do with uniting American, they want what they want, and don't care if they hurt someones feelings, or if they divide the country. There is a lot of anger in this country right now, and much of it is misdirected. In bad economic times people want to find someone to blame for their problems (god forbid they look in the mirror). Everyone knew that using your house as an ATM wasn't a good idea, but they did it anyways, and now they need someone to blame for that. We all know that spending every dime you get on stuff you WANT instead of NEED, isn't a good idea, but we do it anyways (and we need someone to blame for that too). Our country is just becoming to lazy, and it needs to change!!!
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• United States
26 Jul 10
LIL, I agree with you that neither sides cares about the other, and that no one cares about how the other side feels. However, both sides are worried about how the swing voters see them, use hiring a black man to run the RNC, and firing a black women because she trying to show people she learned that race shouldn't matter anymore. "As for the Tea Party people...I don't see fiscal responsibility as a party issue...I think it is an American issue. All of us should be (and I think are) concerned about our level of debt and spending." Not so fast. You have the republicans that don't want the Bush tax cuts to expire which cost about $800 Billion a year. That money could be used to pay down the debt, but republicans are to worried about the rich to do something about it. If you really want to go after spending, then look at the department of defense which is one of the largest expenditure in the budget. But, again republicans don't want that to be cut do to their needs for campaign dollar from defense contractors. Democrats don't want to stop spending because they feel that it will save the economy, but they have to start to cut spending or that will destroy the economy. I felt that way before the Tea Party was even a thought. The problem is that many people look at bail outs and welfare in a narrow view, and don't see the bigger picture. The bailouts of Wall Street were necessary, but they should have been connected to Financial Reform right away. Welfare for the poor pails in comparison to corporate welfare, but no one wants to end either. I agree that we need more personal responsibility in this country, from the bottom up. But, I don't think that the harshness of that do it on your own is a great idea. Society isn't measured by it's most wealthy members, but how it treats it's poorest.
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• United States
26 Jul 10
greatdebater- you know no one on either side seems to care about the "other" sides feels or uniting the country. Boths idea of "uniting" is agree completely with me. Not compromise. Not taking the other into consideration. It is all about forcing the "other" side to bend to their will. As for the Tea Party people...I don't see fiscal responsibility as a party issue...I think it is an American issue. All of us should be (and I think are) concerned about our level of debt and spending. I don't think we should have to compromise on somethings...like the constitution, our liberties and our rights. You actually agree with them with on your last part of your statement that people need to look in the mirror and realize they did it to themselves. It is just the Tea party does not believe in bailing them out for it..not with tax payer money...you messed up...you deal with it yourself. They would also agree that this country has become lazy...they want more personal responsibility. People being more responsible for their lives instaed of depending on the government (tax payers) to take care of them or fix their problems. Fail or succeed...you do it on your own.
• United States
24 Jul 10
well it most eyes I think the answer to that would be to not say nothing at all. The thing is. Most people saw it as I saw it and saw that if McCain didn't live through the presidency that she just couldn't cut it to be a President. And I know it's hard to say this but at the time they thought Obama was the lesser of two evils so speak.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Jul 10
Great discussion! It certainly would be interesting to see, wouldn't it? All of the so-called contenders for the GOP nomination who have been asked their opinion of Sarah Palin and whether she'd make a good candidate or a good President have been VERY careful not to say anything critical of her. I guess they don't have much of a choice since they and everyone else in their party have spent all this time accusing the left and the media of attacking her SO unfairly! I can't think of anyone in the GOP who will be able to get away with going after her whether it's legitimately or not. Another thing I "betcha" - Sarah is NOT going to be the type to be a gracious loser and throw her support to the eventual nominee! Annie
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
24 Jul 10
You are right. There is a feeling that Sarah Palin was treated extremely badly in the press. It seems they couldn't attack her on policies so they went personal instead without having all of the facts. While she can be criticized on the interview, it is only one bad interview. I have seen bad interviews by President Obama where he either avoided the question or attacked the interviewer for asking the question and avoided it as well. As far as the question on magazines goes, how many people here actually read one? I don't. If I do, it is standing in the supermarket line. I get most of my info online and it has nothing to do with one particular magazine or another. JMO, the whole question was stupid because the magazine is being replaced by the online market just as the print newspapers are. I really don't care what magazines a person reads. I find the whole question extremely uninteresting and there was a much better question that could have been asked on her handling of something relevant to the campaign vice a brainless celebrity questions. Her answer to the question merely stated that she doesn't read them either. Now for her running in the GOP primary, she would keep things interesting. Primaries are usually a boring affair. Even McCain vs Romney wasn't all that exciting. I wasn't sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the results. As important as the Presidential election is, things really didn't get "hot" until she made an appearance. It isn't a bad thing to get more people interested in politics. So despite your personal feelings on Palin, if she causes more people to vote, than it is a very good thing. The Republican party has been missing a lot of energy and she is adding to that. Regardless of the outcome, she has been good for the party.
• United States
26 Jul 10
There were very many attacks on Sarah Palin that completely and one hundred percent crossed the line. People don't forget that easily. There was also no question of blatant bias by many news organizations in the media. The problem was not about the voters coming it out. It was about the whole process of how they got there, with the ACORN buses and a few other questionable acts about telling who people to vote for instead of letting them make their own decisions. But as far as going on the attack, well, I am not sure just rolling over and taking it would have done her much good. It worked for President Obama because he had something she didn't, the backing of most of the press core. So, she would have gotten hit for just taking it which would go against her basic personality or come out swinging. Frankly, I'd rather see someone fight for something than to just roll over. As far as the whole birther issue, the press did more to fight against it than President Obama ever did. Remember they still loved him then. (Even the famous Bill O'Reilly got in on the defense.)
• United States
27 Jul 10
Yet, Sarah Palin's wardrobe was a non-issue and it got more coverage from CNN, MSNBC, and the other networks than President Obama's entire political record generated.
• United States
25 Jul 10
Sierras, I personally don't think that she was treated that badly by the press, I think that she handled it the wrong way. Instead of just blowing off the inappropriate questions, or comments, she attacked them, and that created more problems. If she would have handled this much like Obama has handled the hole Birthers issue, she would have been fine. Actually her answer to the question was vague at first, then she said that she reads all of them, which we all know is impossible. I personally thought it was a softball question, but it showed how brainwashed she was by the McCain people, and people don't want a Manchurian candidate. I agree with you that the more people that vote the better off the country is, but that was the OPPOSITE of what republicans were saying in 2008. Many were angry about the huge black vote, and after the election you heard a lot more calls for means test for voting. You are correct that she brings a lot of energy, and a lot of press to everything she does. I just wonder if that can be a bad thing for the party if she doesn't win, or if she does and forces Ron Paul to a third party.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
25 Jul 10
Do you mean the kind of attacks Taskr36 was talking about? If any of the republican candidates have to sling mud at her the way the democrats did in 2008, they must not have much of a record nor a platform to stand on to even be considered for the presidency or even the vice presidency. Palin will be dealt with the same way all candidates are, should she decide to run. Records and platforms will be put before the people. There will be the occasional, he voted for this, she did that, attacks, but that's all right. Records are fair game.
• United States
27 Jul 10
As sad as it is!!!!
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
26 Jul 10
Kind of explains why Washington is the way it is.
• United States
25 Jul 10
Please vote Democrats , I would like to see President Obamba for second term. Again please do not say a bad word about him, ok? I think he is doing great and doing his best to get out of terrible mess that inharited from President Bush. Thank you in advance for voting Democrats.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
25 Jul 10
So you think people should just vote for any democrat on the ballot? That's sad, although rather common. Do you think they're all the same or do you just not care to research your candidates?
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• United States
25 Jul 10
Barrack, is that you????? Did you read that off of a bumper sticker. I like Barrack, and I think that he can turn the country around, but just voting for a party isn't always the best thing in the world to do. There are good and bad candidates for offices, and just because you agree with the leader of the party doesn't mean there aren't bad people in it.
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• United States
25 Jul 10
You do realize that there are good and bad in each party. Voting party lines instead of for the individual candidate is a good way to get the bad ones in office. We should be only supporting good candidates...no matter the party they are in.
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• United States
24 Jul 10
Actually, they aren't rebuffed for attacking her at all. She is such fair game that she is like hunting tied prey...an easy target. I really don't think she would be a good choice for the GOP as she is very polarizing. People either love her or hate her, but there is very little in between. I think we need a candidate with business experience, some political, but not scarred like Palin is. we need a breath of fresh air - Washington is starting to smell like a dirty locker room without air conditioning.
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