Do you give alms to a helthy looking beggar??
By K.Rajib G.
@krajibg (11922)
Guwahati, India
July 24, 2010 11:54am CST
Knock, knock, and knock,
You open your door and see a man/woman who looks sound in health and you your words “ yes, how can I help you?”
The answer: “sir/madam, I am too poor to provide food and clothing to my family, if you could help me with some money, it would be a great kindness for me. “
You are taken aback and ask “cannot you work to earn some money to assist your family yourself as you look very healthy?”
The answer: “No sir/madam actually I am suffering from cancer.”
You are left wide mouthed. What would you do with this man/woman that is indirectly begging you some monetary assistance? Would you shoo him/her off thinking him/her lazy rouge or with all tears in your eyes would lighten your purse contents?
Around us there are so many conniving people that life seems to be floating in the desert.
Your comment now, would you alms a healthy looking beggar?
love
Rajib.
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18 responses
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
24 Jul 10
krajibg well no beggars come to the door of Gold Crest as they do not like solictors of any kind. we residents are very few of us loaded down with money so they would have slim pickings. I would have to turn away a beggar as I have never had all that much to give to anyone in my life. I do not think that all homeless people however are drunks or addicts or loony, some are just like my son and I were, middle class peopled dumped onto the street because my son lost his job and we ran out of money.least any of you mylotters feel smug just remember that most middle class people are so in debt that losing a job and not having a paycheck for as little as two months could land you just where it landed us, if you do not have relatives who could help you or friends that can help you land on the streets too.My son got us out of trouble by getting adult protective
services to help me get into this retirement center, its not free,it takes most of my social security and ssi check but I get back one hundred twenty five dollars a month for personal use. so I do a lot of mylotting. lol lol.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
25 Jul 10
Hi Hatley,
What you have put up is entirely a different situation. Things there and things are are different. Those you mentioned middle class people are much better in their economical status here. only the poor and pretenders do such thing like beggary.
As Alvaro has explained you. Things are just like that.
Thank you and thank to alvaro.
@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
24 Jul 10
Hi Hatley: I honestly understand your position and I know that these terrible situations could happend. However, my experience have shown me how some people just pretend that are passing through a situation like this to begand what's worst, they don't even try to find something to do. Thanks for your answer. It's good to know that you are ok now. Have a nice day.
ALVARO
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Jul 10
Hi saph,
That is indeed a better option. If one is hungry for he/she does not have money to buy food why not receive something edible offered?
I will tell you how people refuse stuff when offered as they are more keen on getting cash. Few months back a seemingly descent woman popped into our house and started shedding crocodile's tear that her son had completed his high school and now have no money to buy book for college.
I was almost convinced and thought why not give her some books instead as I teach in college and thus have some spare books lying idle on the table. The moment I had my say about the books she looked sort of angry and said she would not take any book except money. I got her nerve and instantly shooed her off.
How strange is our way of life!!!
@celticeagle (167026)
• Boise, Idaho
26 Jul 10
Where I live I doubt anyone would have the nerve to go door to door and beg. If they did I would have the option of opening my door or not. I guess I would have to take it on a per instance basis. If I wanted to open the door and listen I would have to tell him I am poor too. Sorry! Maybe we can both barter for what we both need if it is that kind of situation.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Jul 10
hi vandana, even though you are convinced that he is not exactly begging but asking you some financial help?
I have met or seen beggars of various types. And now I can easily face read them and in many cases when my wife shows a bit leniency I stand solid and say no. Thi sis rather encouraging them to be still lazier bugs.
Thanks.
@vandana7 (100303)
• India
24 Jul 10
Healthy ones, definitely we dont feel like helping them out. But when I see kids or old people on the road, or even the maimed beggars, I do give. That is because they are caught in some racket. If we dont give kids, as they grow older, the person owning them is likely to cut their limbs. So it prompts me to help them out. Did you notice a strange thing? You dont see many female beggars with broken limbs, but there are plenty of male members who have some pitiable condition. Artificially created. Women or girls can be used otherwise so they are spared. I cant help them, but giving them alms on one day might spare them from being amputated at least for one day. That is what I think.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Jul 10
vandana, it seems you go judgmental on certain issues like this. But you know in India the Govt. have made provisions for rehabilitation centers for all these people including children? When seen on the street they are picked up either by government agencies or non government ones to the center but like those in detoxification center flee the place with big dreams hanging on their eye for more income.
Seeing their condition any heart would feel like helping them but they are too conniving and the moment they are off your sight they are totally different people.
"Such is my beloved"
@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
24 Jul 10
Hi krajibg: Hell no. I won't give money to a healthy beggar. I think that in these cases we have to be very rational. I know that many of these "Professional beggars" have the ability to tell you very sad news about their life, illness, economical situations. I have found a beggar that he has always told a story of its son that needs some pills because to control his seizures and that there weren't on the hospital over and over again with some litle changes on the story that I'm totally sure that he is lying and also a friend of mine has told me about another beggar with accent that told us that he has lost it's passeport and was another lie. So I prefer not to give them alms. Thanks for youranswer. Have a nice day.
ALVARO
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Jul 10
Hi alvaro,
"Professional beggars" lol. Very apt phrase to tag them with. My goodness, to what extent they go lying and relating all imaginary things in their look like miserly life!
And interestingly their story changes as they change their spots. I f it is cancer at my home it would be like they were robed off and nothing is left for a living. And heaps of lies. And you know "Heps don't tell lie" lol.
what is my say is that as you are healthy and strong enough for any task why choose beggary? why not engage yourself in some other work and live a decent life. And for that you need not be a millionaire.
thanks for sharing.
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@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
24 Jul 10
Hi krajibg: That's a good question. I think that some of them don't even try to work because they feel satisfied with their mediocrity. As long as they receive enough money to survive they won't try to find something else to do. I think this is unfair, specially when you notice that someone is playing with our feelings to take our money.
ALVARO
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
24 Jul 10
That is a toughy, I suppose it would depend at the moment. However, I would probably opt to offering some food and clothing if I had some to spare. I would probably be reluctant on giving money as you just don't know who is actually at your door and if there reasons are valid.
I remember about 12 years ago at 11pm at night, my door bell rang. I opened my door blinds to see who on earth was at my door as this is not common at that hour. It was a healthy looking man begging that his car had broken down and he needed to get home, as he explained through the door. I was home alone with my children and was afraid to open the door. He immediately said he was visiting a friend just a few doors down and that I could verify. That made me Leary as why wouldn't friend help and or be with him to verify since I new all my neighbors. So I told him I was sorry but I could not open the door. Then the next day I had heard of a couple people that night being robbed in their own home by people who came to their door. Don't know if it was the same person but sometimes you just don't know.
However, I have helped people on the street who looked better off then me, but I have a rule if I do not have a few coins to spare withing reach I never open my purse on the street. Sometimes this is a ploy to get yet another person from behind to grab the purse.
It is so hard to delineate these days who actually needs. I basically take one individual circumstance at a time.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Jul 10
Hi there,
Thank God that you did not open the door and winded up from the blind itself. You rightly judged that if he had been to a friend a few house down why not went to him rather. There he got mixed up and your sharp wit caught him on the leg.
These days you simply can not make prediction on the strangers. Not even the known faces at that hour of the night.
I just looking at he face of the healthy beggars come to know if he/she is feigning or relating true tales. If I see it is genuine I do give away food or clothings and other stuff that are no longer in use.
for money, I am sorry.
thanks friend for sharing.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
25 Jul 10
hello starsailover and krajibg, yes it is a shame how we just have to trust our instincts as you just never no anymore. If we can trust or lose our trust.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend you two.
@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
25 Jul 10
Hi,
No I wont give any money to a healthy looking beggar. But definitely help a needy or a poor cancer patient the way i can.
I must tell u there are organizations named Bharat seva ashram or the Bengali community who have constructed 'Kali badi's' where they give free accommodation & food for Cancer patients till they are treated.
I'm a member of such org's and it feels great to be a part of such a noble organization. Even if you can't give money, u can always devote some of your time & your energy to help those guys who are suffering from this dreadful disease.
I'm a firm believer that god treat us just the way we treat other human beings. Do good things in life and the almighty won't give u a chance to complain.
Cheers,
Tutul
@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
28 Jul 10
Hi,
Yes you can't assume on who is fake and who is genuine. But the thing which i want to convey is I have seen people donating money, valuables, ornaments etc to temples and religious organizations.
I believe these type of donations can be very handy if they are made to the charitable organizations which works genuinely for education of poor kids, welfare of women & for those who are fighting this diseases. And also spend some time in such organizations to do some social work.
In my opinion we can please God more by doing these kind of activities rather than just donating money in the temple.
Cheers,
Tutul
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
25 Jul 10
Hi tutul,
Nice things said.
I too would be glad to help one who is genuine. But here most of the beggars are fake, I mean they are the run away lots from the rehabilitation centers.
Now the question is how to confirm that he/she is a cancer patient when tare on your door and asking money for their treatment. Would not be thee room for doubt that since there are free shelter for this kind of patients why roaming around and making false accounts?
I hate these lots. As mentioned elsewhere if I know for sure that one is really fighting with some deadly disease than I would offer my helping hand the way I think I am capable of.
Thanks and cheers that you are a part of such an organization.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
25 Jul 10
I would help someone with food and perhaps clothing although I would be reluctant to give them money. I don’t think it is my place to judge others and you know krajib if my heart tells to give I will give what I can and if the individual is dishonest he or she will get the Karma they deserve. I will sleep better knowing I have helped someone who has asked for it.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Hi Paula,
I know the beggars are not so much interested in taking foods. Rather they would be hungry if you had given them some cash.
These all are pretenders and frauds.
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
28 Jul 10
hi krajibg! To be honest...with the way things are right now around here..I probably wouldn't answer the door. I know it sounds cold but it is not common at all for a stranger to knock on your door where I live. The results of those that have of late has been devastating.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
28 Jul 10
Hi jen.
Better not to unbolt your door. Time has changed and you don't know who is honest and who is feigning.
Better that we keep mums.
@shibham (16977)
• India
25 Jul 10
Thats a common scenerio here too. As u have cited that a healthy begger is hard to donate by me if i dont ask about his/her motive. Often i see some women having a baby in arms and try to pay pityness showing her arm. Honestly i am not comfortable here to give a rupee. Thanks.
@hilar12345 (14)
• Guyana
25 Jul 10
This is a nice observation indeed.
There are lots of beggars here too. But I hardly encourage them. They are all lairs and thieves.
If I see a healthy beggar I instantly make him push off.
Nice to know that you also do not give indulgence to these people.
@Bellapop (1279)
•
24 Jul 10
We don't get these people knocking on the door, actually we do, but for some reason they seem to be people from around the neighbourhood pretending to ask for charity, but that is another story. I get to pass many people sitting on the streets begging for money, and there are some who look healthier and fitter than me, so I do wonder as I walk past...
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
24 Jul 10
Hi Bellapop,
Just like me. If he/she is a healthier one looking all good for any other job, why sit on the street and beg?
There are more pretending beggars than the real one who actually are needy and not able to pick up even a leaf.
I do possess a soft heart for them but for the freakish one I have only one word "NO".
Thank you fr dropping.
@starsailover (7829)
• Mexico
24 Jul 10
Hi Bella pop: I have noticed this situation and I find it disgusting because I think it's not right to ask for something that you can get by yourself. I try to ignore them when I walk and sometimes I just walk to the other side of the street because some of them could be agressive too if you give them a NO as an answer. Have a nice day. Have a nice day.
ALVARO
@T_Diamond (965)
• New Zealand
25 Jul 10
Yeah, I'll give him a coin or two no matter how he looked or dressed. It feels good to give.
It's a nightmare having to revisit the momment where you could have given that beggar some money but didn't.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Hi Diamond,
on such event i would not have even a coin for them except a chide.
@arjheicyrie (76)
• Philippines
25 Jul 10
no.. i usually give alms to children whom i know cant afford to buy food.. but i dont give money.. i give cookies.. in that way, i am assured that their stomach will be filled .. i dont give money cause i dont know if they'll going to buy the money with food..
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Hi.
Thast is a better idea.
Thanks for dropping and leaving a response.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
25 Jul 10
hi raj, there are times our compassionate hearts are challenged when met with this kind of highly dramatized human manipulation that can momentarily freeze any logic reasonings. In this kind of situation you need to listen to your head rather than your heart.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Its late I know. But and ifs are there.
Correctly said zands. This is the mind not the heart that would help you out in such situations.
I , if faced with similar situations would first read the face of the person and jump into collusion if or not that person really deserves any help.
If not get out.
@goodbuys4you (207)
• United States
24 Jul 10
I believe we should be good stewards of whatever resources we have.
If I had a seemingly healthy individual come to my door asking for help I would direct him or her to a local church, even telling what church I attend.
I would hope the staff of the church would get the name and address of the person when he or she visited. I hope the church would send a few trusted men out to visit that person and that family. A church could even ask to speak with their doctor if they were claiming a life threatening illness.
By offering to help in this way it can be more readily determined if the need is real or whether the person is just lazy and wanting to con people of their money.
In many towns the various leaders of churches and other places of worship keep in touch with each other to inform each other about anybody trying to con people out of money with false hardship stories.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Hi goodbuys4you,
Very well balanced response.
As you have your church to recommend to we do nt have such. What we cab do is to inform about the person who is all genuine to a local organization that take care of such people.
and if I happen to smell sishy instantly I do shoo he/her off .
@Torunn (8607)
• Norway
24 Jul 10
Here, I wouldn't. Norway's not perfect, but there's no need to beg because of cancer or any other illness. Many people begging here are brought here from further south in Europe in order to beg, and giving them money will only make the ones bringing them here richer and I can't really see any reason to help them. I'm sure the persons behind the transports have more than enough money :-)
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Hello Torunn,
I am not so much familiar with the treatment that the Europeans do to a beggar.
This is indeed a nice way to do. But here in our country anybody can feign a beggar even me.
If i go begging with all tattered clothes on people out here wopuld surely give me something and this way I can make my day.
@tomitomi (5429)
• Singapore
25 Jul 10
Hi krajibg!
I believe in giving the 'fishing rod' more. Giving the 'fish' would just be a short term measure for them to start off with. But whether fishing rod or fish it's worth to find out the truth if I'm serious about helping someone. The truth may not be easy to come by and I'll just have to play by the ear. In the case of the healthy-looking but cancer-stricken beggar who knocks on the door I'm sure there is something more to find out from him. My brain and my heart would have to fight hard to get the better of me. People do need a second chance sometimes and somewhere to start off from. As long as it doesn't pinch on me I would give him the 'fish' he needs to start with.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
27 Jul 10
Hi tomi,
Very logical argument indeed.
I too go for mind reasoning than the heart prompting. Many are there who wear a false face and present themselves in front of you and me and tries to get the better of me.