Religion and the Savior

No insulting at all. The conclusion leads to contemplation. No compulsion to agree with me. To me, you're still a good friend. If only you're able to see my good intention.

You're all guys are honorable guests, to me here. Thanks

Amazingly enough no one has "flamed or insulted anyone in this conversation. It is enlightening only about individual beliefs. We are all kind in mylot in general. Happy myloting!

achilles2010, I respect your idea, and again, I'm not trying to outdo you. I was just wondering referring to your illustration about barber at that time. About savior, if we really want to use our logic, this what comes to mind: barber, doctor, vet, plumber and so on won't take the initiative to come to you unless you call them. Sounds absurd if they come to you, let alone, offering themselves to fulfill all your needs and send his son which part of them and their spirit. All you guys commenting here, are great people and there's no way of me to insult or discredit your religion. I'd like to promote logic, because I believe all of us like to contemplate. Anyway, no compulsion to agree with me. Thank you, best wishes!

I thank you man2sting for your comments. Barber's example was an analogy I had drawn to emphasize that we must seek God. God would not seek us. God does not give us anything just for asking. He would give you what you need and ask only if your deserve it. You have toiled for it and you have been thankful to him for the things he had already given. I will give you another example. We want fruit, so we sow the seed. We water the plant and nurture it. We pluck the fruit, and ask for more. God will not give you more fruit just because you had toiled and raised the plant. He would ask you then, where the seed is. He would tell you I gave you the fruit with seed, so that you may plant it again so that others too might eat the fruit as you have eaten. Concerning Son, we all are sons of God. Then, what is so special about Jesus that Christians regard Him only as Son of God? Jesus had God's very essence in him, which we all do not have. That essence of God made Him different from rest of us. He sent His Son because he himself cannot come. One single drop of God's essence in just one human alone is enough to sweeten the entire humanity. I do not know if I have answered your question fully, but please feel free to ask if you have any more doubts.

I've already known about the analogy of barber. I just wonder why you can't be honest to yourself. Your sons-of-God statement contradicts your candid words.

Therefore, logic should be there to urge man to think and think and think, so that nobody will ever dare keep doing sins. The savior or something which comes up as absurd is good news for sinners, themselves. Our sins are ours, that's fair! Thank you.

I appreciate what you believe. Contemplation is indeed a must in religion to get enlightened, right? Thank you.

On the contrary, God will fry anybody regarding himself as son of Him. That's a mockery, to Him. Ever thought this logic?

Say, there's a slave, not only he disregard you, but also hummiliate you to the world. As a king, what would you do? Don't ever try it to the KING of the kings!

My religion stresses the important of logic even to things considered miracles. Therefore, things will be unmistakable. As to savior, this is questionable.

I agree. No religion nor church can save a person. And neither can a savior. Your sins're yours.

Love is important in religion and so is logic, because without logic, things will be always absurd and questionable. Thank you, peace!