No Mosque near Ground Zero
By Netsbridge
@Netsbridge (3253)
United States
August 23, 2010 12:56pm CST
Building a mosque or any Islamic facility anywhere near ground zero is callous, thoughtless and very disrespectful. Building any Islamic facility near the site of the of World Trade Towers where thousands perished at the hands of Muslims is simply adding insult to injury. Besides, any Islamic facility near ground zero will become a venting target! Please, build your Mosque or Islamic facility elsewhere, faraway from ground zero.
Let it be known however that regardless of my views or president Obama's views, there will only be a mosque or any Islamic facility anywhere near ground zero ONLY IF THE CITY GRANTS a building permit! Building permits are granted by cities! For more information about this matter read article:
In the Name of God -http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5710252/in_the_name_of_god.html?cat=75
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8 responses
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
24 Aug 10
I've got news, dude: there are already two two mosques as near to Ground Zero as Park 51 will be. Have been for years. Why? Because there's a Muslim community near the world trade center. Has been for years. The fact that you can't tell a Sufi from a Qutb doesn't mean that Sufis are disrespectful in building a community center near ground-zero, it means you're a bigot who's decided that Muslims all look alike to you. The only callous, thoughtless, and disrespectful people in this exchange are the bigots saying the things you're saying.
"It will be a target" has also got to be the second silliest argument against Park 51 I've heard yet: It's the New York Financial District. It cannot possibly be more of a target than it already is, the security there is some of the tightest in the country. Putting Park 51 there will not add to the risk, not putting it there will not detract from the risk.
I've asked others, they've all punked out, and I expect you'll punk out too, but here it is: How far away from Ground Zero do you think it should be? Please be specific.
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Were the two mosques you mentioned built before or after 911/2001?
@BambooPanda13 (867)
• United States
24 Aug 10
To me that question is irrelevant. How far away should it be? It isn't like asking how far away from a school should a strip joint be built? Does it matter? Who cares? What if two completely different religions built religious buildings next to each other? Like a mosque and a Christian church? Wouldn't that just be something? A real show of tolerance in America! But of course that would probably never happen.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
24 Aug 10
The relevance of the question is to show that the people objecting to Park 51 are not acting in good faith. The reason that not one of them can tell me a distance they would regard as "far enough" is that there is no such distance for them. If they found a site ten blocks away, these people would say it's too close. If they found a site ten miles away, these people would say it's too close. These are the same people who are protesting mosques being built in other states.
The question is simply my way of calling them out on it.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
23 Aug 10
It really doesn't mean a thing to you, does it, that thousands, including Muslims, perished at the hands of al Qaeda, not the Muslim religion? Do you really think it will ease the pain of those who lost loved ones or do any other GOOD for our nation if we continue this unnecessary hate and cause more people to hate US as unfairly as you hate all Muslims?
Annie
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
26 Aug 10
It may not ease the pain, but it at least will not be in your face! Has it dawned on you that any Islamic facility near ground zero will no doubt become a venting target? Is more ashes of people what you want to see around ground zero?
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Oh, look Netsbridge makes terrorist threats again. It must be Thursday.
Sorry, Netsbridge. Here in America, patriots don't curtail their lives because they're afraid of terrorists.
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
7 Sep 10
TheMetallion, did you know that you often fail in basic comprehension? Nowhere above I have implied giving in to "terrorists." By the way, did yo know that the Us government is one of the most terroristic entities around?
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
24 Aug 10
They might just as well build a Mosque at the Pentagon. Oh, wait, there is one? This is a manufactured controversy engineered by right wing talk show hosts and presidential wannabes.
This is not a mosque to begin with. It is a community center that contained a mosque. To characterize it as only a mosque is the same as claiming that a YMCA is a church.
There is a mosque closer to "ground zero" than the proposed site so what is all the fuss about?
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
26 Aug 10
There is already a mosque closer to ground zero? Was that built before or after 911/2001?
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
26 Aug 10
If a Mosque near the WTC is offensive, what difference does it make when it was built? Your argument simply doesn't hold water.
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
24 Aug 10
Hi Netsbridge,
For starters, not all Muslims are terrorists. This is the United States and we have freedom of religion here. It is 2 block away from ground zero. There is another smaller mosque that is in the same neighborhood and has been there for years and years. There is a strip club right next door to where this Mosque is being built. You don't find that offensive? In fact, do a little research on a 3 block radius and see what sort of business's are in that neighborhood. Beyond all this, can you imagine the bad-blood that would be created by denying them from building the mosque? Are you aware that within that mosque they are building a memorial for those lives that were lost on 9/11??
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@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Sid556, I am aware that not all Muslims are terrorists and I made no such implication here. I am simply stating that I know that building a mosque close to ground zero implies adding insult to injury -
Ground zero will forever evoke sadness of the incidents of 911/2001. Now, why would godly folks whose followers brought about this sadness want to disrespect such a sacred site?
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
24 Aug 10
I know it! I don't understand how they can't see that all this negativity is bound to insult and put Muslims in defense mode. I do understand the emotional upset of those who lost loved ones in 9/11 but many of the most negative voices are not from those that are grieving. They have every legal and constitutional right to build there so all these angry are doing nothing but creating bad blood. The other mosque has been in the neighborhood for years and they are simply expanding. Beyond all that, I would imagine that ground zero itself and that whole neighborhood would bring back a flood of bad memories for those that lost loved ones, regardless of what was built there. We don't like it when we get judged by other countries for some of the things our government has done and yet here we are judging an entire group of people by what a few men from their country has done.
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@jujunme (2501)
• United States
28 Aug 10
sid556 "i don't understand how all this negativity is bound to insult and put Muslims on the defense"/ Oh i see, it's perfectly alright to insult and ignore the families of the 9/11 victims by building this facility a "mere" 2 blocks from ground zero, is that it? Well i say the victims families feelings supercede any concern i may have for the Muslims feeling "insulted".
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
23 Aug 10
It is not as important as to the location of the Mosque, but it is important that they are building another huge Islamic facility. The more they build, the bigger the Islamic community becomes. It is now a common practice in Long Island to stop vehicle traffic around Mosques during prayer hours because the observers spill out into the streets to say their prayers there are so many of them(I have seen pictures). In these large communities, the locals practice as much of Sharia Law as they can get away with. Bit by bit it is creeping into our communities too. Do you want this? Have you read Sharia Law? It is creeping into some of our city governments even now...it has been in the news. You can read english translations of Sharia Law online....Read it, especially you women. It is frightening. It is very detailed. It controls every moment of a woman's day and life. Don't say it cannot happen here. It is happening in England and they are not a stupid country. They were busy being polite and non racist etc...
Shalom~Adoniah
@dreemsofdark (714)
• United States
23 Aug 10
Hi,
I refuse to be lead by FEAR that one day, if I let some people do what they please, that I will be oppressed.
It's not being BUSY being polite and non-racist. It's being busy living my own life the way I want to, and not worrying and getting my panties in a wad over something that I am afraid of.
This country is lead by fear and you are a prime example
"Let's keep these groups of people from doing what they believe in, because I am afraid they might try to make me do the same thing!"
This is supposed to be a nation of acceptance, love, kindness, and the Melting pot of culture and countries.
Stop hating the things you are afraid of and start being a part of the solution.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
24 Aug 10
@Adoniah: So you want to keep people from building Islamic facilities in order to infringe on their right to practice their religion? You could not utter a more anti-American sentiment if you tried. Go burn a flag or something.
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@bigal3 (1231)
• Thailand
24 Aug 10
My compliments to you both.
It seems the American public has forgotten their roots. By that I mean they are not native to America. The Indians are (ie. "American Indians") We are all interlopers in The U.S. with all of our varied religions and beliefs and faiths. Tolerance is one of the corner stones of our society which it seems the public has also forgotten.
The building of the mosque in that location could have a positive effect if the public would only take a positive point of view in that it would show the muslim world that America has the power of "FORGIVNESS", a basic christian and muslim tenant. Who knows that could even carry overseas to the middle east and project a positve feeling to the muslim nations currently in conflict with With the U.S. and some of the Jewish nations. Someone has to make the first "POSITIVE" peaceful move don't you think?
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@fannitia (2167)
• Bulgaria
24 Aug 10
I don't want to offence anyone. But I think that people who insist to worship their religion and follow their traditions should care about the faith and the traditions of the other communities. Muslims in America struggle to be respected - OK, they should respect the feelings of the citisens who don't want to see a mosque near Ground Zero.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
26 Aug 10
Because the who live in that neighborhood don't fit into the mosques that are already there. Neighborhoods with small churches build bigger churches when there are too many people to fit in the smaller churches, too.
@bigal3 (1231)
• Thailand
24 Aug 10
On this one I have mixed emotions. I can readily understand why New Yorkers are upset. However te proximity of the mosque isn't really that close.(about six blocks away as I understand it) Granted the decision to build it there may not be in good taste but the property owner isn't moslem and he is a wealthy New York land owner with all the rights of a peoperty owner to sell or dispose of his property as he sees fit. He is totally within his "LEGAL" right to do so.
Islam is one of the worlds oldest religions along with Christianity. I have over the years and as a project read the "KORAN" and the "Bible" One would be surprise how closely related they are to eachother. In fact the prophets in the Koran and the Bible are the same. They both teach "PEACE" and HARMONY" for all peoples of the world. It is zelots on both sides that have corrupted both religions. In the early tenth or eleventh century, the time of the "CRUSADES" when England under the leadership of King Richard went to the middle east to "conquor" the "infidel" moslem and convert them to christianity when in reality England wanted to establish trade routes with the middle east for the riches that were there. However they did not count on the moslem leader "SAALADIN" being a shrewed business person and under the guise of religion; that is to "CONVERT" moslems to christianity, two very bloody wars were fought for the wealthy city at time oF "JERUSELEM". This war continues to this day.
The Islamic religion is by it's very nature based on peace and the same concepts as the christian religion. It is only mankind that has perverted both.
This present conflict to me is really unecessary and I feel both sides need to take a step back, take a deep breath and lose all the emotion that causes people to make unsound decisions. In my humble opinion I think the whole thing could be resolved if the owner of the property withdrew his offer to sell the land at this time. "CRISIS OVER"!
Again it comes back to good judgment on both sides which I feel neither side is using. What do you think?
@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
24 Aug 10
BY and large, we New Yorkers are not upset. The bulk of the noise you're hearing is from out-of-towners.
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@TheMetallion (1834)
• United States
25 Aug 10
I've watched it over time -- before the FOX noise machine kicked into gear, it simply wasn't an issue. The flap didn't start until they manufactured it for the cheap labor republicants so they'd have something to talk about other than their drive to prevent anyone from fixing the economy they broke.
As to who you speak to, we obviously travel in very different circles. Even so, when did you start hearing people object to Park 51? Before or after the noise machine kicked in?
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