Is the market going to crash again? What do I do with my investments?!
By dragon54u
@dragon54u (31634)
United States
August 29, 2010 7:18am CST
The last crash I lost 20% of everything I had invested and only recently did everything in my portfolio recover--only to start losing again a few days later. I am 56, unemployed with a small income that barely covers my expenses.
It looks as if things are going to hell in a handbasket here in the U.S. Many are saying we're headed for a 1930's style depression and I could lose all the money I worked so hard for. While it's not much, it would at least allow me to help pay my way when I'm too old to live by myself.
Where do I put my money?! I've heard of structured CDs where you make at least 1%, can profit up to 8% from the market but cannot suffer any losses. Do you know of any other "safe" investments to preserve my principle until things stabilize?
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
29 Aug 10
I certainly don't know anything about where to put your money. I put mine under the mattress, but all those pennies give me back problems.
I also certainly hope we're not heading for anything worse.
During the onset of a recession, or any type of immediate panic, I get a huge boost in business. People want to create get-rich-quick businesses, and they need someone to write their pages. But once the "I'll do something different" bug turns into "I better save my money," I dry up like a desert.
So a double dip or whatever you'd call it--I'm no economist--would literally cripple me.
What's safe to put money in when it comes to investments? I have no clue. Would anything really be safe?
If the past couple of years--and even world history in general--has proven anything, it's that we little guys have absolutely no control over what someone else dictates has value and what doesn't.
Nutmeg, salt, gold, paper, digital information -- it's hard to tell what keeps its value.
My hope is that I'll one day be able to play like the government and just tell people I have billions of dollars with no real rhyme or reason. Like an ironic twist on that movie The Invention of Lying, maybe my word would one day suffice in a world full of imaginary wealth.
My pops would probably say, "Buy seeds and fertilizer and pray they don't ban water."
GL investing the moooooolah!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
For awhile I figured if I lost it all, I'd have plenty of company--if it got that bad, everyone would be broke except politicians. But I can't go down without a fighting chance, and I won't.
There are many economists that believe things are going to go from bad to worse. With all the negative spending the country has and the realistic unemployment rate at around 16%, the national debt over 80% of the GDP--we are headed to a bad, bad place. And yes, people like you and me will suffer. I'm just trying to cut my losses. My investment guy at the bank says don't worry but I'm getting a second opinion on Tuesday.
Hang onto every cent you can--can't hurt and will probably help!
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
29 Aug 10
While the market is still slightly above its 200-day moving average (buy), for safety reasons, I've moved everything in to bonds, gold and cash. I too believe we're headed downward and when it happens, I want to be sure to be out of the market... When I'm in the market,I have a 7 percent below the high set. When the price hits the 7 below the high or pierces the 200-day moving average, I get out of the fund(s) I'm in. Hope that makes sense.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
I'm in mutual funds right now, which is a mix of different stuff. I have some bonds. But my adviser keeps telling me everything is fine and I know in my gut that things are NOT fine. I feel a strong urge to hurry. I have an appointment Tuesday with another adviser and will see what he has to say. I have to do something soon, the crap will surely hit the fan before long. Thanks for your suggestions!
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
Thank you for telling me about him. I found his site and will be reading it over the next couple of days. Anyone that doesn't think we're headed for a tanking must be hiding under a rock.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
29 Aug 10
Check out Ulli Niemann's free newsletter and blog. I've been following his advice for four years and didn't lose anything when the market went south this last time. He'll even comment to your e-mails for FREE. The way I see it, your advisors make money when you're in the market... I've been doing my own investing since the early 80s. Did ok, but following Ulli's advice, I've done more than ok.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
29 Aug 10
Putting your money in the stock market is always high risk.
High risk ventures have high profit when things go well.
If you are looking to have your money in a safe place, the only safe place is under your bed, or in a normal bank saving account. But you won't make any profit.
That said, nothing is 100 per cent safe.
If you have money under your bed, it can be stolen or lost in a house fire.
And with the banks, if there is another crash, and the government does not rescue the banks, you will lose your money like in 1936.
If I were you, I would read about investing your money in GOLD. It might be safer than anything else. Gold is not subject to the devaluation of the currency of a country. Its price is determined by supply and demand.
You have to balance your need for profit against your need for security.
You cannot have both.
I have a friend who lost 75 pour cent of his money on the sharemarket during the financial crisis. And that was his retirement money. This is worldwide. It is not only in the US.
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@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
29 Aug 10
I cannot remember seeing gold that high in my lifetime.
And it has happened in 2010 because of the financial crisis. The smart investors beat you to it. The demand for it pushes the price up.
When the crisis is over, they will resell their Gold in order to invest in high profit venture. And then the price of Gold will crash due to a larger supply of gold. It is a matter of knowing when to sell.
Someone is claiming that Gold will go up to $5000
But that very much depends what happens in the next two years.
I wish I had a crystal ball. lol
But I did find this article.
In the long term, gold has proven over the past 200 years to be very stable. The value of gold as a purchasing power, distinct from the purchase power of the US dollar for example, still remains very much the same or better.
If you look back through history you would find that one ounce of pure gold has hardly changed at all. One ounce of pure gold now still purchases the same as it did 200 years ago. The change in paper currency however, due to manipulation and removing the gold backing from currencies world wide, has been dramatic and can be shown by the consumer price index. What originally cost 20 dollars in 1800 cost 216.86 dollars in 2005. Yet one ounce of gold still purchases today what it did 200 years ago. In fact it is tending to purchase more.
It is likely that this scenario will continue and over the next 200 years, inflation, recession etc. will continue as more paper money is printed. Yet the value of the pure gold troy ounce will remain the same in terms of purchasing power.
This is a good reason to purchase gold.
The next question is 'what sort of gold should one buy?'
Out of the possible four types, stocks, exchange traded funds (ETFs), futures and bullion, it is the bullion that will retain its value. Stocks can crash, futures can change wildly and exchange traded funds, although based upon actual stocks, rather like the dollar when it was backed by gold, still has the volatility of trading in a similar way to stocks and futures.
Bullion has a history of remaining stable, whether it be gold bars or gold coins, both have the stability of being actual gold rather than a representation of it. Both have the assurance of retaining their value even when there is a stock market downturn or an economic recession and both have an instant salability at the value of gold at the time of the sale.
Plus, gold coins and gold bars can be easily transported and stored making them the ideal medium to invest value in.
This then, for the collector as well as the investment or even just the hobbyist, is the answer to the question, why buy gold.
@coffeegurl (1467)
• United States
19 Sep 10
Hmm. I hear that mattress stuffing was way popular during the depression. That, or hiding a lot of cash inside a wall? Maybe in a cave somewhere? Well, I know when people are sad they tend to drink a lot. Maybe you should buy a bar, or a speakeasy. Who knows, what's next, prohibition? Oops. Did I say that aloud? Don't wanna give 'em any ideas! With all the foreclosures, maybe you could get a bar. I seen one for sale on Ebay last month. Just a few k. What sells in a bad economy? Liqu0r, hopes,dreams,promises,candy?
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
20 Sep 10
I decided to move my investments to another firm. I was with my bank and even though their stock consistently fell they had me into it. The advisor kept telling me things were fine, don't worry, it is impossible for the economy to collapse.
So I switched to someone only 4 miles from my house, he's with my credit union, and he has me in some conservative products to preserve my principle and a small amount that is intended to grow. I feel a lot more secure!
@picjim (3002)
• India
29 Aug 10
I empathize with you because my money is stuck in real estate without a chance to liquidate quickly.I'm no economist myself.My understanding of economics if a few articles read in newspapers and books.I would say invest in gold for if depression is really going to strike us this is the only commodity which will have value to be exchanged.If you don't require money immediately i'd ask you to invest in gold and sell bit by bit when you require money.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
Gold is at record rates and will surely fall so it will be like paying $1 for a loaf of bread that will cost $.10 by the time you get it home. They are really pushing gold here, commercials all over the place. But it's so high and when you buy it you pay more than the going price. I don't have enough to buy a lot of gold, anyway, but for people with a few hundred thousand I would think it might be a fairly good strategy to invest a few thousand into it.
At least you have land. As long as you can pay the taxes, it's yours and you'll have a place to live!
@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
29 Aug 10
Hiya dragon,
If you go back on Tuesday maybe the Man in the Bank has something better to tell you. Don´t despair just yet it could be just one of those Dark Days they have every so often and nothing really comes of it in the end.
Maybe that´s it because Spain has a lot of those Days too and in the end nothing happens either.
You are right about saving every cent you can too at the moment you just cannot go wrong with that idea.
Hope it´s good news for you on Tuesday.
Sorry I have no real ideas to give you wish I had about money I mean. Try to take it easy and things might not be too bad.
I know that you have had a hard time too but now it might just be one of those it never really happens things.
Wish I could cheer you up.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Aug 10
I've been of good cheer for the last five years, even during the "recession" which is a euphemism of "depression". But I can no longer trust my security to my government, which is lying to us all. I have learned to be proactive in my life after being a "victim" in the past. Which is to say, I trusted my government and believed everything they said. No more. I don't want to be a burden to my children.
Those who can should do everything they can think of to preserve their capital. I plan to do this. Plus, my mortgage company just the other day sent me a letter saying my payment would go from $625 to $905 because of tax increases!!!!! I recently refinanced and got the $625 payment from $805. I will be shopping around for another refinance because there has been no public vote on increasing taxes. Add to that, my government is thinking of making 401Ks be invested in treasury bonds so it will finance the debt and it is a bleak outlook.
Every man for himself. That's abominable economics. But that's the United States in 2010. I must survive and minimize my burden to my children and to society.
@lovinangelsinstead21 (36850)
• Pamplona, Spain
31 Aug 10
Hiya dragon,
That is really awful news for you. Is that the News they gave you then or are you still waiting for the outcome of today? When you were going to speak to someone about interest rates at the Bank I think it was.
I fear that is what will happen here when the taxes go up again and with the wages they get here how things will go seems very bad at the moment I hope not.
Well they are trying to do that here to about those Savings Bonds things and no one has enough to buy proper Food let alone save anything. I find it laughable when these adverts come out I think to myself who are they trying to kid?
Hope you manage to remortgage and get on as well as you can.
I try to think one Day at a time too it´s the only way I have of living through all this.
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
29 Aug 10
Yes, the stock market absolutely will crash again. No one knows when, but it is going to happen. When you think that crash might happen, buy some of the funds negatively indexed to the market. That is, when the DJIA or SP-500 go down the fund goes UP! I have a list of inversely correlated stocks and funds at my website. You can get to the site from info at my profile. There's an email address for more specific questions at the web site, too.
In the meantime, those CD's look mighty good.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
I'm not an educated investor so I'm afraid I wouldn't do well buying and selling. I'm leaning toward the structured CDs. I'll look at your site though, I may learn something--thanks!
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
30 Aug 10
hi dragon54u I sure hope not but at any rate I have no money in investments nor to invest, but surely we are slowly coming out of
our recession here in the US. My son has been working now for several'weeks so thats really good and maybe there are more jobs
opening now, rents herein Ca are horridly high and wages do not
rise to meet them.I had thought in a way we had already had the crash with the banks and car industry in trouble. well any way I have no
funds to worry about now. I would look into those structured CDs myself
if I were you.good luck.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Aug 10
I'm so glad that your son finally found some work!! I don't recall seeing you posting about that good news, at least I can stop praying for him, that's great news!!
I do not think we are coming out of the recession. I believe a lot of economists that are saying this is actually a depression that we are long overdue for. If we had not done anything and let things take their natural course, the economy would have righted itself by now but Bush and Obama had to interfere and now it's bad and will get worse. You are lucky that you have a place to stay because within a year or two there will be a lot of people on the streets and I might be one of them.
Yep, tomorrow I have an appointment with an adviser and will be asking about structured CDs and other things. I'm not a person who values material things but I like to take care of my own needs and don't want to lose what little I have.
@bulastika (5966)
• Philippines
30 Aug 10
Stocks has little risk at all. Risk happens if you don't know what you are doing.
So risk equal to skills. Look at daredevils. Do you think they are taking risk?
No. They are not taking risk. Because they know exactly what they are doing.
The only problem is accident. And accident do happens. but it does not mean its risky.
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@Iriene88 (5343)
• Malaysia
29 Aug 10
Back here in Malaysia, we also experience 'market correction'
for the past 2 weeks. However, those 'blue chips' counter are
doing well. I personally think that you should diversify your
investment with certain percentage in Fixed Deposit, fixed
return bonds and some in stock markets with stocks that give
dividends yearly. Do some studies on the stock/equity company
that you invested to ensure that they are in the 'sun rise'
business that have ongoing business/project that yield good
returns and 'safe'. No one knows how the world economy going
to be - will it be better or worse. Therefore, always cautious.
If the shares have gone up very high, do take in profit :)
All the best and take care.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
Fixed bonds sound like a good idea, thanks! I'll ask about them, I'm getting a second opinion on Tuesday. My advisor from the bank says don't worry, everything is fine, but my values keep sinking so it's time to act. Thanks again!
@artistry (4151)
• United States
30 Aug 10
...Hi there deagon54u, The thing about the market which I am sure you know from reading your introduction for the discussion, you have to ride the tide as you did and it eventually comes back. But...if you need that money to live on you need to diversify more just in case it does crash or take a long time bouncing back. I think I would look into short term Treasury Bills, or Bonds, maybe Zero Coupon Bonds or Municipal Bonds. Investigate St. Gaudens coins the increase is good but you need to hold them for at least a year. I would keep a little in the stock market, just enough that you don't worry about it and forget it. Put enough in simple CD's for liquidity purposes, and some cash in a safe deposit box is not a bad idea. Good luck.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Aug 10
Treasury bonds used to be good, as were municipal bonds. But the country and the cities are going to be bankrupt and then what good will those be? They were a great investment in the past but all bets are off now, the country is going down fast and hard.
I agree with keeping a little in the stock market but I want the bulk of my principle to be safe. It's less than $50,000 and all I have for retirement. I'm 56 already, was married to a non-saver for 20 years and that represents all I got from our assets. Social Security will be bankrupt when I'm 65 so that's all I have--you can see why I'm in a panic, I'm sure. Thanks for your advice!
@bulastika (5966)
• Philippines
30 Aug 10
Just have good strategy.
Mine is simple. Buy and sell.
If the price going down I sell half and keep the half.
And when the price starts to pick up again I but the same stocks again.
now the difference is already an earning.
..
for example.
Stocks FFF bought 10 dollars 1000 shares.. that is about 10,000.00 dollars worth right?
Now its goes down to 9 dollars per share. I should half so right now I have 4500 dollars cash and 500 shares of FFF.
If its goes down to 7 dollars per share then suddenly went up to 7.50 I will buy 5000 shares worth 7.50 per shares.
Now remember I sold the stocks at loss at 9 dollars but now I bought the same stocks at 7.50 dollars. Now I end up having 1000 FFF shares again plus the the difference of 9 dollars when I sold and 7.5 dollars when I bought the stocks back.
if The stocks goes up I still have 5000 shares to break even.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Aug 10
Sounds like a good strategy but I rely on an adviser to do my trading for me. I'm in mutual funds right now and they are losing money. I lost 20% in the last crash and that's all the money I have when I will be too old to take care of myself. I just don't get financial stuff like that no matter how hard I try, I'm a stock market idiot. Thanks for your advice, though!
@Bhemzky (423)
• Philippines
30 Aug 10
Hi there! I'm a young professional but I know a little about investments. All I know is that a am a very conservative investor and not very much into high risk investments. I do invest in banks with savings and time deposits below the minimum insured amount by the banks insurance. One safe way and high profit investment I found is insurance. I got an insurance with a high investment profit. Guess I was saving it for my future. Sorry thats the only thing I know for now. Happy mylotting!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
30 Aug 10
Thanks Bhemzky! I'm not at all sure about insurance companies--they seem to have a very good business plan going for them but there have been several in financial trouble here. I'll add that to my options, though.
@sjlskl (3382)
• Singapore
29 Aug 10
No one can tell for sure if the market is crashing anytime soon but the fear is always there that the last economy crisis has not seen the bottom yet. As for your investment, my suggestion is to put them on something that is relatively safe. While the returns might not be high, at least the risk of losing everything is minimal.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 Aug 10
Safe is what I'm looking for. I would be happy to just preserve the principle but I need to find a way to do that, hence my visit on Tuesday to an investment adviser.