Define a lie...define a truth

@vandana7 (100127)
India
September 2, 2010 6:44am CST
According to me I am telling truth only if I use the words "Yes" or "No" or words that convey such definite meanings. Otherwise, I am trying to be a clever lawyer with god by playing with words and actions. It also does not mean that everytime I use such definite words I am telling the truth. So - how do you define a lie, and how do you define a truth? I also believe that if I ignore a problem, I am lying to myself that it is not hurting me. Do you also think like that?
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
2 Sep 10
I don't belive that truthfulness or lack thereof is in the actual words used, but more in the meaning of what you say. For example: A friend invites you to dine at a meal that they've prepared from scratch. You know that they spent a lot of time on it, and prepared it in a loving fashion. Yet, when you take that first bite, it's all you can do not to spit it out or grimace because it tastes so bad. Who knows, it could just include an ingredient that you don't like, not that the food itself is bad. When they ask (proudly) what you think, to save their feelings you might tell them that it's delicious. Without specifically saying 'yes' or 'no', you wouldn't be truthful. Just out of curiosity, if you define truthfulness only in using the words 'yes' or 'no', does that mean that if you don't use those two particular words, that you aren't telling the truth?
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
12 Sep 10
Have you tried saying that you really were full, but you would love to bring some home for later? In cooking for guests, your aunt makes herself feel loved and wanted. Maybe bringing some home will do the same...and you can return the plate with one of your own creations on it! Worth a try?
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@vandana7 (100127)
• India
16 Sep 10
Nowadays she is around at my place most of the time. :) Today she is here. :) Actually, she is feeling very lonely. She is about 63 and thinks she wont be around for long. She wants to look after me as long as she can. I am lucky I found so much love from an outsider. Something I couldnt find from my family. :(
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
Hi catdla, I face this situation almost every week! :) I have a nice aunt, actually my former neighbor. She comes to my place now and then, and we too go to their place. They dont have kids, and when dad was not around, they looked after me. I can feel so much love from her. Only problem is her cooking. :) She loves to stuff me. And I havent got the heart to say no. :) Especially some sweet dishes which are so hard to eat. When I eat them slowly, she thinks I am relishing, when I eat them fast, she puts one more in my plate. *groan* You just described what I am going through. :)
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@Reneelao (223)
• Philippines
2 Sep 10
a lie is giving false statement, not true. a truth is giving correct statements or facts.
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@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
I accept that. My query was, if I am asked for truth, and I know the truth, if I telling the truth, am I lying or not. :)
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Sep 10
hi vany grrrrrrr had a nice fat response all thought out so neatley and it went bye by. so again. A lie is when you know the real truth but that is not what you tell the other person. As in "did you break that vase dear?" " No mom I have no idea how it came to be on the floor?" when you knenw damned well you bumped it, it fell on the floor, and smashed into a zillion pieces.So if the child had been truthful she would have said, "yes mom I am so sorry. I was hurrying, and my sweater caught on the table and I bumped the vase. I could not grab it in time and it fell on the floor".And sometimes I tell myself its okay to put off a doctor's 'appointment when I know I have a problem and its not going away, so I am in a sense lying to myself. I have a skin problem thats not going away and I have to see my doctor so why am I hesitating? I really dont know. lol lol.fear offinding out what it is?
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@vandana7 (100127)
• India
13 Sep 10
Hi Hatley, suppose I am asked who did broke the vase, and I return a blank stare as if I dont know? :) Actually, I think - if I know the truth, and when I am asked for truth, if I use any means either a clear cut "yes" or "no", or evasive means to prevent the truth coming out, I lie. :) But it is my definition. And hey, I am also like you Hatley. :) I too avoid work when I am not in mood. :) I call them up and say I am really sick. :)
@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
2 Sep 10
I for one cannot define this for you, Vannie. Maybe we should wait for biswa. I am sure he will explain this, so we can understand it. I don't think you are lying when you say yes or no. I think lying is more like something made up, or you did something wrong and won't admit it. This is freaking hard to explain, you know. TATA.
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
2 Sep 10
Passing the buck to my little son blondie?
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
2 Sep 10
BTW - congratulations on that 5000+. :) Yeah - he understands all that so well - and being a bit more intelligent than me - he gets angry faster as well. I think intelligent people lose temper faster. :) Since you dont, you dont qualify!
@saphrina (31551)
• South Africa
2 Sep 10
He is a professional, you know. He really have a way with words.
• India
14 Sep 10
many people have given good answers here...but still I want to say few lines here...about true and lie Truth is not subjective and it can be verified. A lie covers itself constantly in the shadows waiting to be discovered for what it is. Lie will be, sooner if not later, caught out...and a lie is a statement made with intent to deceive. [b]God offers to every mind its choice between truth and Lie.Take which please you but remember - Lie never please you [/b] - CRAZY
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
15 Sep 10
Awww Crazy, sometimes you also become sane and come up with such good answers. So if something is to be discovered as lie, then by your definition, if I avoid answering the question directly, would that amount to a lie or not? :)
• India
15 Sep 10
most important thing is "your intention of avoiding ........" if your intention is to deceive people/person then it is lie
• India
15 Sep 10
Pleas take a look at my avatar it happens with me ..after reading your long/huge/complex/Intelligent/logical/ discussions....
@jeffyryi (78)
• Philippines
2 Sep 10
Lie is the concealment of truth, while truth is the revelation of lie...
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
If that is an original sentence, you do deserve the best response jeffyryi. :) But here is just one more query, concealment - can it also be by avoiding telling the truth? In a gist, I am asking, would avoiding to tell the truth that you know not amount to telling a lie? :)
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
13 Sep 10
Could you please elaborate on that? :)
• Philippines
13 Sep 10
Lie in the sense that it's not a rightful act can never be validated as an intention of legitimate concealment. :)
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
2 Sep 10
My simplest definition for a Lie is where you state something as a fact when You know it is not so..Truth is where you speak what is known to be true,or accepted as fact...but what happens when someone can prove that truth to be wrong? I remember reading a textbook experiment in school (Science Class/Biology) during my early teens that the ability to roll your tongue was genetic..some people could do this,and some could not..it had no known purpose,it was simply a curiosity on the pile of things humans can and can't do with our bodies..then more recently,I read another article that said the genetic grounds for this ability had been thrown out in between,as it was possible to LEARN to roll your tongue,so it could no longer be considered a genetic Marker..not a crushing disappointment,but be prepared to have a truth questioned..
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
Now that you point out about genetic link, I have started thinking. Some people are more scared than others. Those who are more scared than others are more likely to tell lie than truth I think, the moment they do a mistake. However, those who are not scared at all, are more likely to do wrong even when they know they shouldnt be doing it, and even draw in people who are scared into the crime. I dont know which of the two can be thought of as better. What do you think? :)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
12 Sep 10
That's a debate that could run and run...the tendency towards criminality..is it Nature or Nurture?
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
2 Sep 10
You are making my head hurt today. :D A lie is saying something that you know to be untrue. If you ignore a problem, you are not necessarily lying to yourself. Some problems do go away on their own. Most don't, though.
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
Sorry about that Dawny. :) How are you feeling today sweetie? :) Anything about tests. So if I knew the truth, and avoided telling it even if I was asked, would it not be a lie? If I am not asked, and I avoid telling it, it is one thing. But when asked, if I avoid telling it, I have lied by omission may be? But I have to concede - some problems do go away on their own. We have to take our chances may be. :)
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@voldrox (7191)
• India
3 Sep 10
Lies are sweet, lies are beautiful, lies are convincing, But only to the other person. You would know when you are lying. You can't lie to yourself Vandana, at some corner, deep in your heart, you know whats hiding. We just can't face it directly, at times.
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
5 Sep 10
I have to agree to whatever you have said here voldi. 100 percent. If somebody told me I am beautiful, I would find it sweet, and beautiful, not really convincing but I'd let them try a bit harder. LOL. Yes, I would know when I am lying. That is a big sentence, because of which you deserve the best response kiddo. If I know the truth, and I am asked for it, and I try to avoid answering it, by whatever means, I am lying. Not letting the truth come out is a way to lie according to me. Oh but we can lie to ourselves kiddo - in fact all the time. We believe in god, have we ever seen him? Do we really understand those scriptures? Why do we fight amongst ourselves for money - can we really keep it intact? If god so wills, it would be gone overnight! So why do we lie to ourselve forcing our brain to believe that there is some permanence in all this, permanence in money, relationship, youth, just whatever it is?
• India
3 Sep 10
Hi, As a matter of fact there are other kinds of speeches. They always sound indifferent and they don't fall under either category. They are not lies as they avoid any factual data or assertion. Some other are opinionated so they can't be true for any other persons. Assertive sentences that are totally based on very definite set of information can fall under the category of truth or lie. Like you said, there are ways to play with words even without directly telling either the truth or a lie. When you are ignoring a problem you are not actually lying to yourself. Instead you are identifying the problem as a lie. You are putting a certain label on it, so that in future you can give it only the necessary importance that it deserves. Deception is art of every war. Thanks. God bless you
@voldrox (7191)
• India
3 Sep 10
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
3 Sep 10
Kiddo - I am just at a loss of words. Even though I am your ma, may be you can take me as your disciple. I need to learn a lot from you.
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
3 Sep 10
Truth according to me cannot be defined in just yes or no. Same with a lie. There exists a very minor difference between the two and quite often both are very close. I think it is just our belief and the terminology. A lie can be a truth unless it is found out to be false and same with truth, something that is yet to be proven as a lie. Ignorance is many a times better. Haven't you heard - "Ignorance is Bliss". But yes, being ignorant all the times in almost everything leads you to nowhere - many a times it lands you up in trouble land!
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
5 Sep 10
That is quite a lot of thinking you've put in there. I liked the sentence where you mentioned - a lie can be a truth unless it is found out to be false and same with truth... But i believe the moment I am uttering the truth matters. If at that point of time I know it to be truth, then I guess, if I dont acknowledge it to outside world, then I am lying. I can either tell the truth or lie. If I avoid answering a question, it tantamounts to a lie, dont you think? :)
@akn1961 (1034)
• India
4 Sep 10
this is a very tripicle topic i am cannnot difine this matter because its so difficult. thanks your view..
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
5 Sep 10
Yeah, it is tricky, isn't it? I started thinking about it, and realized when I lie I am not alone. :)
@jeikl_08 (97)
• Philippines
3 Sep 10
for me telling the truth is the best policy(haha), really truth meaning your telling what is true, what is good, while a lie can be a white lie (has a goodv effect) while a black lie is hiding the truth (it is the evil one)..
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
I am inclined to agree with you about white and black lies. :)
@ynahh1 (454)
3 Sep 10
lie is telling the otherwise of what you did and truth is saying all without revising or omission.
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
So you agree omission amounts to telling a lie, and if I said may be, or used other words to avoid telling the truth I knew, I would be lying. :) Now, why do I agree with you? :) I too think so. And I do avoid telling the truth even when I know it, thereby I do lie. :)
@ynahh1 (454)
13 Sep 10
We have so many definition of truth and lie.!
@ElicBxn (63568)
• United States
2 Sep 10
I don't think being diplomatic means you are lying. If you don't have an opinion one way or another, then being agreeable, and seeming to agree with a person isn't an outright lie - but you have to be careful to not lie by "omission."
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
2 Sep 10
So lying by "omission" does exist in your opinion. What about lying by avoiding or evading? But the most important question - you didnt answer - do you consider lying to yourself also a lie or not? Or do you not count?
@bhanusb (5709)
• India
2 Sep 10
Hi vandana, I tell lie. This is the truh. But I don't tell lie that harm anybody.If I use the word 'may be' that is neither "Yes" nor "No".
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
I too tell lies bhanusb. And according to me, when you say may be, it amounts to a lie because you know the truth. :)
@sender621 (14894)
• United States
2 Sep 10
Both a lie and the truth can be told using so many different words. A lie doesn't always mean no and the truth doesn't always mean yes. people manipulate language to suit their purposes and needs. If everyone would just be honest with each other about everything there would be no need to worry about a lie and the truth.
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
12 Sep 10
Yes, I have to agree with you. People manipulate language. But there are times, I too prefer that. Saves a lot of headaches, and heartaches. Dont you think? :)
@thanks1961 (7035)
• India
2 Sep 10
Hi dear, As may of us know, all these truth and lies are the creations of human beings only. We in general, made certain rules and regulations, laws, decisions, verdicts, conditions, dos and not to dos etc for the convenience of a social better living. Many of them are in 'practical' as we all are the part of a society and for a better social life such things are necessary. There are likes and dislikes around. If you or me are only around what is the use of the same. But in a group around, such things are ruled up and become a necessity. We made lie and truth. Some truth may become not good for me as well as your lies are good for you and may not good for me also. These all are based on certain assumptions and practice only. There are certain universal truths accepted worldwide and the other way also. It is basically observed that the accepted truth and lies are acceptable for all by our custom and nothing else. If I slap a person near by with no reason, all will say it is wrong. It is an accepted universal fact and treated as not good. So, many things in such category are become universal and become a common character. So things are happening around us with a cause and consequences. Regards, Thank-s
@vandana7 (100127)
• India
2 Sep 10
Hi thanks, that was an extremely deep thought, and I cant but help agreeing with you more than half the way. This morning I saw a television serial - criminal minds - in that one of the characters defined people who do not conform their what is written in books. I dont believe those of us who have moved beyond books in search of truth are all bad. We are just not bound by the tenets given there, that is all. We would be bad if we go about doing something that would hurt another. That is not what we are doing. So telling lies so that we dont hurt ourselves or others is perfectly fine with me. I would just like to reiterate the last question - would you consider lying to yourself wrong or not? Or do you not count for the purpose of lying or telling truth?