Wow, I am flabbergasted!!
By TexLadyPj
@TexLadyPj (1328)
United States
September 7, 2010 6:16pm CST
Yikes, when I first heard about the church in Florida burning the Koran on 9/11.
Although we have freedom of religion and freedom of speech in the US, to burn another religions Sacred Book is totally unacceptable in my humble opinion. Now several more peaces of information. CBS evening news showed his office with a 90mm gun sitting on his desk. Loaded, I don't know. His quotes include, that he is not responsible for how burning the Koran impacts the troops in Afghanistan. He has lost 30 members in his church of 50 members. The VFW and American Legion have spoken against his behavior. What is your opinion?
Looking forward to seeing your responses.
Prosperous mylotting
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13 responses
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
8 Sep 10
Worshippers of the true God recognise that we worship Him each in our own way. Those who understand God do not fight about the way we worship Him. It is only those who do not know or understand God who are afraid and angry that others worship differently.
The terrorists who drove the aircraft into the twin towers and the people who seek to destroy books (which are, after all, merely paper) are equally misguided and both will find their rewards in due course.
The danger is that people will be swayed by their own hatred and feelings of disgust for these people. God alone will be the judge. Our duty is to try to love the individuals but to hate their actions. If we can rid ourselves of emotion and feelings by laying them before God, then He will understand and forgive us.
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@rustyhalo (103)
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8 Sep 10
the holy book Quran is not just merely paper. it is words of your god and my god. :) it is word of Allah. so be very respectable for what you'r telling :) and thanks
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
8 Sep 10
@rustyhalo and TexLadyPj: I didn't mean to imply disrespect toward the Quran (or any other holy book). What I meant to say was that the books that people seek to destroy are merely paper. A book (as an article) is only of value when it is read and understood. Your personal copy of the Quran or the Bible (or any other holy book) is precious to you because it is something that you may handle every day but, if it were destroyed (by accident, for example), you would simply buy another copy.
Of course, someone who burns copies of holy books, just as someone who burns a flag, is registering their hate or dislike of what that book (or flag) represents and it is the symbolism and the intention which are deplorable, not the actual destruction of a number of copies of the book.
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro owlwings
I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Your response is on target. Although I am a Christian, I respect the right of others to worship their God (Allah), in their own way. I value the way that Muslims honor Ramadan, just as some of us honor Christmas and Easter and Passover. Our society is so distraught with hate and feelings that others don't have the same rights that we do. Although each of us has a Holy Book, it is more than paper. We have the faith that it is the words of our "God" "(Allah)". I believe that it is our moral and ethical responsibility to honor others rights.
God is a peace-loving God. I understand that it is not my responsibility to judge this person, it is God's right to avenge his behavior.
I lay myself before God every day.
God bless you
Prosperous mylotting
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
8 Sep 10
I think such an action as burning any religious Sacred Book by one religion to show hatred toward another religion is absolutely shameful.
It seems that this preacher is of the same ilk as the infamous Rev. Jeremiah Wright who seem to only want to incite more hatred between different people.
According to the following article this action could have deadly consequences for our troops!
‘Burn the Qur’an Day’ Endangers US Troops: Petraeus
Every day for the past few days there have been demonstrations in Afghanistan against the scheme of the Christian fundamentalist Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida, to burn copies of the Qur’an on September 11. This sort of grandstanding by a tiny congregation with global ramifications reminds us that in the contemporary world, technology magnifies the power of individuals and small groups, which is a real problem when they are hateful. (The evangelical leadership has scolded the group for this action).
The Kabul demonstrations have alarmed Gen. David Petraeus, who is attempting a gargantuan counter-insurgency project in Afghanistan, which depends for its success on America winning the hearts and minds of Afghan Muslims. He issued a statement on Monday deploring the Dove Outreach plan and saying, “It could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort in Afghanistan.”
http://www.juancole.com/2010/09/burn-the-quran-day-endangers-us-troops-petraeus.html
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Hi whiteheather39
I appreciate your response. Although I knew of the responses of the public I did not have the "address" of the specific quote.
One thing that crosses my mind is the responsibility of the media. If the media had not grandstanded his behavior, would there be such a stir of emotion?
There has been such a variety of responses and I am looking forward to more. General Petraeus is not the only one to have difficulty with this person's behavior. The VFW and American Legion also have commented on the appropriateness of his behavior. I was not aware that the leadership of his denomination had also scolded him.
My major issue is stirring up a world that already is in turmoil.
I also look at ethical and moral responsibility. He is quoted as saying he prayed to God for guidance. I know a very different God.
Prosperous mylotting
@AmbiePam (95116)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Knowing what the Koran says, it is definitely not something I support. HOWEVER, what good does it do to burn it? I think all it does it inspire resentment and hatred towards Christians. Not to mention, it makes Christians look bad. This guy and his church are not the norm. Being against a religion is one thing, but deliberately trying to provoke people? Why in the world would we want to stoop to something so low? Some may say, well Muslims burn Bibles...What is this, elementary school? Are we going to stick our tongues out and go Na na na na na na...
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro AmbiePam
Me sticking my tongue out. I don't have an icon.
Prosperous mylotting
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro AmbiePam
I found the emoticons.
Here it is.
Prosperous mylotting
@thesids (22180)
• Bhubaneswar, India
8 Sep 10
I am neither a Muslim nor a too very religious guy. But I think burning a Holy book (of any religion) will only bring bad name and create non-friends. I don't see the point in hurting a whole community's sentiments (many people are quite sentimental when it comes to Holy Books and Religion) just because there exist a few bad and mis-led guys from this community.
Again, there is no end to it. Today you burn their holy book, tomorrow they will burn yours and then you would do something else to hurt them/their feelings and they would do the same.
I am not sure how these differences can be cleared and the mess cleaned up but instead of hurting we should start the healing process which would have long lasting results not only for the people but also for the planet.
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro thesids
I weould pray that people would listen to the criticism that this person is receiving from Secretary of State to generals in the military to religious leaders, etc. He has said he will burn the Koran, let's not give him the limelight. Let's put a basket over his behavior. Let's move past his inappropriate behavior and start the healing process you refer to. Let's do what God says:
I will avenge.
Prosperous mylotting
@fpsninja (874)
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8 Sep 10
I 2 am a muslim, and i find it despicalble. If a group of muslims decided to start burning bibles, what would happen then? They would be terrorists! But when some americans want to burn qurans, thats ok, thats freedom of speech! I honestly hope something bad happens to these people, and if terrorsit did decide to kill them all, i think that if any media said it was unprovoked, or out of the blue, or an act of terror, they would by lieing! What do you expect if you start disrespecting people liek that?
Its absoulte ridiculous, and during ramadan as well!
@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro fpsninja
I find his behavior reprehensible. No person of any religion has the moral, ethical right to disrespect another religion. I understand the legal Constitutional rights, don't have to agree with how someone demonstrates that right.
Terrorists don't burn Bibles, the harm buildings and kill, injure people. I think you would find that the media understands what he is doing is inappropriate. There are many organizations that also are speaking against his behavior.
I am on your side, by the way. That is one reason I started the discussion. I respect all religions as long as they don't harm people.
Terrorism is not a religion.
I admire the way Muslims honor Allah by Ramadan.
Prosperous mylotting
@rustyhalo (103)
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8 Sep 10
ramadan kareem brother :) Allah will punish theme inchaellah don't worry
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@rustyhalo (103)
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8 Sep 10
i am a muslim my sister. and doing that is great mistake for the whoole humanity i swear of Allah if they do that something very horrible will happened the those people if god want that. please if you can do anything about that just do it. i am from morocco and nothing is possible for me to do. if there is just tell me :(
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro rustyhalo
Welcome to mylot. May you have the fascination, exciting experience I am having at mylot.
This is one time I wonder about our freedoms. As a Christian I am concerned about the impact this behavior will have on all the peaceful Muslims. Islam is a very peaceful, faithful religion. The terrorists are not representative of the Muslim religion.
Our freedoms give him the right to behave in this way as freedom of speech. Many organizations are speaking out against his behavior.
Prosperous mylotting
@rustyhalo (103)
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8 Sep 10
i really thank reallyyyyyyyy thank you texlady. Allah and the prophete mohammed are saying to all muslims just be peacefull with the other persones that are not muslims. just be very very very peacefull and greatfull with theme. why should they do that whyyyyyyyyyyy ????????? did any muslim at the world burn the holy bible???? i don't think so. so why burning our holy Quran ??? it is so sad my sister :'(
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro rustyhalo
I am in agreement with you. Read the comments after yours and my responses. It looks like we members are in agreement about this person's behavior. One member even related his act as terrorism. See my response there, please.
Prosperous mylotting
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Hi TexLady,
Obviously the guy is a lunatic. Nothing good can come from this. He is sending a very hateful message out that while he is entitled to his own thoughts, the message has the potential to cause a lot of problems for a lot of people. Someone should stop him and have him mentally evaluated. And you have to wonder why the media is making such a big deal about this. His burning of the Koran is bad enough but the media exploiting on it is just guaranteeing that there will be trouble.
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro sid556
I found the emoticons. I can't clarify any better. I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Prosperous mylotting
@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
9 Sep 10
Herro dawnald
The primary difference I see here, very people are following his thoughts. In fact, most people, both regular citizens and authority figures are against his behavior.
My biggest concern is the attention that media is giving him. The media is keeping the rest of us stirred up.
Prosperous mylotting
@jlamela (4897)
• Philippines
8 Sep 10
I am a devoted Roman Catholic but I feel disgusted with this act to burn the Kor'an. In the Philippines we strongly respected our Muslim brothers and even declared the end of their Ramadan our national holiday, they should be respected and should be treated nice eventhough there are lots of news about Muslim terrorists, granting that there are also Christian terrorists we should not be putting all the blame to all Muslims on what had happened on September 11. We should respect the Kor'an because it is the sacred Muslim bible.
Why are so people become so demonic now adays? We cannot achieve world peace if we continued doing hostilities towards our fellow men, we should respect one another, the mistakes and crimes committed by people in one particular religion did not represent all the people in that religion.
It's true, this act has a strong impact to the US troops in Afghanistan or Irag. The Muslims there will made them repay all those disrespect committed by those people who burned Kor'an, they will take revenge. Gosh!and now there are no world peace because of this wrong move. Oh God help the planet Earth!
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro jlamela
Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my conversation. As time gets closer, I pray that all religions would put this inappropriate behavior under a basket. Let's not give him the limelight. I call on the media to work with us and let's attempt to start a peace movement.
Prosperous mylotting
@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
9 Sep 10
Herro Lore2009
What is your start page on your computer. Yahoo news has a lot information on the topic. You can also do a search using mylot search, both web and discussions. I watch CNN news and CBS news. Both have had extensive coverage.
I believe in respecting all religions, as well as atheists and agnostics.
Prosperous mylotting
@marguicha (224296)
• Chile
8 Sep 10
This is not freedom of religion or speech: this is licentiousness. There must be a line you don´t cross. Your freedom ends where the next person´s freedom begins. I would put the traspasser in jail, to say the least. That act is as shameful as the 9/11 act. It is terrorism at its best. SHAME!!!
@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
8 Sep 10
Herro marguicha
I do not use that word, had to look it up, however it fits his behavior. Here is what I found:
licentiousness: West's Encyclopedia of American Law (Full ...
licentiousness noun Excessive freedom; lack of restraint: dissoluteness , dissolution , libertinism , license , profligacy
Particularly lack of restraint or concern for others.
Although his burning the Koran is not designed to harm others, I am concerned that his behavior will cause others to behave irresponsibly.
I cannot compare his act of burning a Holy Book to 9/11. 9/11 was designed to kill and/or injure thousands of people.
His burning the Koran is is act of rebellion. Inappropriate, yes. I believe morally and ethically wrong.
I'm not convinced the Gen Petreus (spelling) is not on target. Soldiers may be killed by emotional people.
His act may instigate other terrorist acts, here and in other countries.
Only time will see.
Prosperous mylotting
@marguicha (224296)
• Chile
9 Sep 10
I compare this act to the other because many Holy wars (where many inocent people are killed) start with acts like this one. Burning a Holy book does harm the people that believe this book was given to mankind by God. I am an agnostic. I am not a believer of any religion, but I think that respecting other people´s religions, cultures, races, helps to avoid terrorism.
We don´t know if people are going to die or not because of this act of hate.
9/11 started a long time before it actually happened. It started when people felt hate. ManyAmerican tend to think that 9/11 was the only time inocent lives were taken. I´m afraid many civilian lives have been taken in Irak, Afganistan and other countries. Violence starts with people who don´t respect their brothers. That is, as I see it, the true beginning of terrorism.
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@pmbhuntress09 (1608)
• United States
11 Sep 10
I have to say Patsy, this is interesting, very interesting. I don't believe in burning anything religious. I also do not believe in the burning of flags either. Yet we see it being done all of the time. It does however make me wonder why there is being such a stink over it, I saw the other night many people in Afghanistan burning the American flag, yet we don't hear any complaints about that. Of course at the same time, they were burning big posters of Obama, now that I started laughing at. Of course laughing that much brought on some more pain, but I had to laugh.
Burning religious items, including Bibles of any religion to me is very wrong. To me that is sort of like proving that we are as bad as they are. Of course though on the other hand, if there was to be a end of the world scenario, and it was bitter cold, and no firewood and the only thing left to burn was Bibles, I would be the first one to throw it on the fire. No matter what religion.
As for doing it to make a statement, its just not right at all. Because the only statement coming through is that its the pot calling the kettle black.
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@TexLadyPj (1328)
• United States
13 Sep 10
Herro pmbhuntress09
I am so glad this discussion received so many comments. I intended it to make us think about our freedoms. Although having a freedom doesn't make it ethical or moral to exercise that freedom in a way that will hurt others. I heard on the news today that several people overseas had been killed in riots regarding this person's inappropriate exercise of our freedoms.
I'll try not to make you laugh until you heal.
I hoped that his inappropriate behavior would make us think about the way to make peace. We practice a lot of that behavior, the pot calling the kettle black.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this discussion. I'm looking forward to starting another discussion.
Prosperous mylotting