I misunderstand something and fill clarified on it now..........

@celticeagle (168256)
Boise, Idaho
September 15, 2010 5:46pm CST
I have gotten a bit irritated and flustered over the language barrier on here. I feel I misunderstand the set up of Mylot and how it all worked until today when I got a response from one of my responses from one of my favorite fellow Mylotters. She made apparent that Mylot isn't set up with different languages in different areas. I misunderstood that and think I took some things for granted that aren't the case at all. I have a question: Do you feel that people who come to this country and/or chose to use English speaking sites online should learn the language first? Or, is it up to us to lumber through and try to understand them? I think they should learn the language first. I don't think it is up to us to learn their language or to cow tow to them as a foreigner. I hope I am not being or sounding hostile, for I don't mean to. What are your thoughts on this? I hope these 'foreigners' will also respond and know that I mean no ill will toward any of you personally, but feel this needs to be addressed. Please be tactful in responses. I certainly don't want to start anything. I do think, however, that this needs to be addressed. Thank you ahead of time.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Sep 10
Celtic listen to hardworking as what she says is the way I also understand it.we are not to berate newcomers who are using E nglish as a second language. we are to let t hem do the best they can and not pick on them but offer help if we can but not in a hostile 'way. It is no disgrace in other words for newcomers here to make a few errors but we should applaud them for the courage to work through the language learning process and try as hard as they do. we must just be kind and patient. remember we would also have problems in their countries trying to learn their languages too.I knowI would be hard put to learn a new language.
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
16 Sep 10
You did very well Monica1014. I would change on my English to in my English, and I am posting, instead of I post, but actually, I've seen Americans make those mistakes, too. We all make errors. It would take a long time for me to learn Chinese. I've tired to hear the different sounds and since it isn't based on a Latin or Germanic Language (plus I'm way over the age of 7), I don't even hear the sounds as I should. Welcome, I see you're new, (2) today. Thanks and take care.
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• China
16 Sep 10
Hi, there. I am Chinese. I should say learnig a new language is hard. I still can't speak or write in English fluently, although I've been learning it for a long time. I am always afraid that I might make errors. This is the first time I post comment in mylot. I think I could learn a lot and make improvement on my English here.
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@celticeagle (168256)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Sep 10
Hardworking,eh? Okay. I am trying to see it. I wouldn't travel to another country witout knowing how to speak atleast the basic language. It does become irritating and frustrating at times though.
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• United States
16 Sep 10
She made apparent that Mylot isn't set up with different languages in different areas. I am hoping she was trying to explain that myLot only accepts English postings and that staff does not understand any other language outside of English. As it is clearly stated in the guidelines that myLot accepts all from all over the world. myLot and myLot members understands that the English language may be a barrier for some but we may not make fun of anyone with any form of difficulty. Although it is ideal for all in the USA to fluently speak and write the English language, I for one commend anyone for not be ashamed or embarrassed for trying. I cannot stand anyone who chooses not to utilize it. I was born in Illinois and am from Puerto Rico descendants, although the majority of my ancestors did not speak English fluently they sure tried and survived in Illinois. As for your question if they should learn it first. Well I suppose if they are going to function it would certainly be helpful. However, how else will they learn it if they are not exposed to it. I hope this person did not intentionally offend, my hopes and thoughts that it was mis-interpretted.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
16 Sep 10
hi hardworkinggurl you really summed this up correctly. I know I would 'have even a harder time trying to learn some of our muylotter's languages from other countries so I do try to be very patient and encourage others to keep on typing as they will learn best by actually doing it. I would never make fun of any of my friends' here as I know English is a very hard language to learn for others.
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• United States
16 Sep 10
It also becomes doubly hard when made fun of as then they are too scared and or ashamed to try.
@celticeagle (168256)
• Boise, Idaho
16 Sep 10
Yes, girls this is exactly what I am getting at. When they can't even speak basic English and be understood it becoming frustrating. That's all.
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@writersedge (22563)
• United States
16 Sep 10
As a person who learned French in school and then found it was useless in the real world, I can tell you this: You can't get better at learning a language if you don't use it and you can't use it if people don't let you. The only way to truly learn a language is to be immersed in the other language by going to the country for a year and only hanging out with people that speak that language and not yours. I know because I taught inmates and the Czechislovackian (spelling?) inmate learned English in record time because no one spolke any of his three languages: slovic, upper Russian, and Polish. But the Hispanic Inmates that all hung out with each other and spoke their language when not in class, they were in class for years and still had difficulty with elementary sentences. So unless a person has the money to spend to go somewhere where English is the only spoken language, then the person's English will be poor. Also most people in the world learn British English and not American. So when you get off the lift, be careful crossing the street so you don't get hit by a lorrie. Put you stuff in the boot and don't forget to check your oil under the bonnet. I learned Parisian French in school and went to Canada. I didn't understand half of what is said. For instance, je is pronouced shoe up there and spelled in slang chu. That is "I". Many words are different and many pronunciations are, too. So first of all, which English are you expecting them to know? Second, how are they supposed to learn it to the point where they aren't a challenge for an American English or British English person? Or as my husband always says, "We speak American, we haven't spoken English since 1776. We were liberated from them, you know."
@writersedge (22563)
• United States
28 Mar 11
Thanks for best response. I'm surprised I got it with all that going on and on. I know that some people I can understand their broken English and some I can't. If they have a plan where they can get a free translater, that helps greatly. I've had people I couldn't understand find out that they could get a free or inexpensive translater program. Made all the difference in the world. Take care.
@celticeagle (168256)
• Boise, Idaho
17 Sep 10
Yep. American it is. I hadn't thought about it that way. Makes alot of sense. I will really try to be more lenient. I do hope people will try to edit their work before they post though. That could help considerably.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Sep 10
not sure if i should answer this one since i live in arizona where the language bearer is extremely irritating. they think we should learn spanish instead of the other way around now, that being said i think most foriegn people here are really trying to learn english and those that are really into it are doing very well. although maybe now and then there are some that think they dont need to and i think they should get a new attitude if thats the case or they certainly wont make much. i totally love the fact that MOST are really wanting to communicate in our language and actually even use mylot as a learning tool. i do love to hear about different cultures and what they call things as they are trying to learn with us. but this being an american based site they should learn our language.
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@celticeagle (168256)
• Boise, Idaho
17 Sep 10
I think so too.
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
16 Sep 10
Well,mylot stated that,only English language is allowed in here. So,it is not the other mylotters obligation to understand the foreigners who cannot express well using the English language. Thu,they can improve their English communication skill from this site,but,they should also consider the other mylotters that having hard time understanding them. Back to basic with tenses,verbs,prepositions and subject verb agreement to come up with much understandable phrases,and they can learn those online too
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@celticeagle (168256)
• Boise, Idaho
17 Sep 10
Why from this site? Why not some other one? Just kidding. I think.
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
17 Sep 10
Well,it's not same thing like Facebook and other social sites (inter-action) And,it is their prerogative,that is why they are here. The only thing we can do is try to understand them,and,i guess once they realized their misspelled words/grammar/tenses/prepositions etc,they might improve then.
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@Miner49r (568)
• United States
16 Sep 10
Cruising a number of post, I for myself can say there is not one that I have not been able to read......they ALL are in English. With that said, perhaps clarification of the problem and issue at hand is in order. What I see the most are post by various nationalities attempting to post in English. Can it be read...yes....is it articulate in manner, ...some less than others. I would have to say... for those of us who do not speak Spanish, Filipino, Indian, or some other various language.... Try. Most of us who speak English feel the rest of the world should speak it as fluently and as articulately as we do. This is just not the case.... as is if we attempted to write/post/speak in a different language ( fluent individual aside and excluded) To avoid misunderstandings, first we should realize that the individual is trying convey what is being said to the best of their ability. If in doubt, ask for clarification. Second, for foreigners, the English language is a difficult language to learn. Give them a break... they are trying to be bi/trilingual. That is an accomplishment in and of it's self. For the best advise, if it is not clear what is being said how the intent it is being conveyed .... get clarification if it matters to you that much or simply move on to the next post....don't sweat it. Group Hug everyone ;)
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@celticeagle (168256)
• Boise, Idaho
18 Sep 10
Yes, group hug for sure. I haven't seen as bad posts as I was there for awhile. Perhaps they are getting better or just not posting. I don't know. And, I do have to disagree with you here......I don't think they are always trying to communicate to the best of their ability. These people I am talking about are not all foreign, just lazy.
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@Miner49r (568)
• United States
18 Sep 10
Foreigners aside,....Yes, I have seen those posts as well. I agree with you, the quality, spelling and proper use of words is severely lacking. I do hope this is not attributed to a failing education system here in our country. If I would have written something of similar composition when I was younger, my English teacher would have smacked my knuckles with a ruler. It is sad that these individuals are not motivated enough or realize the quality of their writing is a representation of who they are.
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@damned_dle (3942)
• Philippines
16 Sep 10
I haven't encountered anyone yet who doesn't know the BASIC english here on mylot. Maybe if they don't know any english at all they couldn't even make an account here As a matter of fact I do appreciate that they are trying hard to do it. I noticed some of my friends here are improving everytime on their english. And that is really good for them.
@miabb7 (9)
• Philippines
28 Oct 10
I don't think mylot should discriminate against people who cannot speak english. I am not a native speaker of English and I do take offense when people discriminate against us who are not native english speakers like english is the only language in the world that matters (no offense meant to this post, just commenting in general). I think we should commend them for trying to learn and express themselves in a new language.