At times I think too!!!!!

Well, coming from a different set of beliefs than you have, I don't think that we have fallen from the spiritual world. Instead, I tend to think that the life that I am living right now is instead a means to an end. We have to live a life on earth to prove whether or not we are worthy to be able to live a life in the spiritual good place (heaven in my set of beliefs) or in the spiritual bad place (hell in my set of beliefs).

Yes, reasons why we fell or any other form or reasoning doesn't get us very far in spiritual concerns. Looking into our spiritual life is not a process of reason, but a process of Being-ness. Just being with whatever challenges there are in life. I feel that we are spiritual beings having a material experience and through practices such as yoga, Zen and Tao, we learn acceptance of our own pain in order to transcend it and recognize that pain is not meant to punish, but through its experience, it is there to help us learn how compassion and how to focus our mind. When I think of all the great sages through history, many of them had a lot to say about suffering and it is clearly indicated that suffering comes from desire that at its worst, can manifest greed. If we hunger for money, possessions of other people, we are not going to feel at ease. If we allow things to come and go in our life, we are going with the flow, and are therefore at ease. This is what comes into my awareness as a result of many years meditation and working with those who suffer. I am not saying that I am absolutely correct, but the evidence I have experienced is quite strong. _Derek

We fell down on the earth to shell down our past karmas. Hence lead a sound life with good deeds, be helpful to others, spread message of love around you and the purpose of your birth is fulfilled and you will reach the spiritual light above. Then no coming back and only eternal bliss will surround us there.

That is a very god logic on your friend's comment, Professor. But we are just human, so we think like most human think, "where is that arrow coming from? who dared shooting at me?" while we are busy pulling the arrow out of our chest.

Hi, Professor2010! Wow, it's a complex logic. But I think I have got it finally! Yes, if you want to make something clear, you must jump out first. Players always can't touch the essence of the game.

my English is poor ,sometimes i can't understand what you said .....