Jesus or no Jesus
@comment_please (338)
Philippines
October 2, 2010 11:04pm CST
I am a Seventh Day Adventist. We believe in Jesus. We believe that Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Nobody could go to heaven without Him. But other religion don't believe to Jesus. They consider Him as prophet or an extraordinary person.
What text on the Bible that tells that Jesus is not God? What is Jesus in your religion?
5 responses
@bev_arch_20 (842)
• Philippines
3 Oct 10
He is the way the truth and the life, and no one can come to the Father except through Him. He is Our saviour, the redeemer of heaven and earth. He is amazing and He is my Everything.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
3 Oct 10
Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi. A very well to do Pharisee. His Father was a carpenter and his brothers and cousins owned large fishing boats. Large enough to accommodate all of them. In those times, that made them very wealthy. The christian testament tries to portray them as very poor. Tut Tut. You cannot have it both ways.
If you read the history of the compilation of the christian testament and the writing to your creed, you will find that is was done at the Council of Nicaea over seen by Constantine, a pagan Ruler. Constantine did this to stop all of the wars between the Pagans and the christians. Prior to this Meeting, Jesus was not a god he was just a man (this was done to appease the christians) and Mary was not a virgin(this was done for the pagans). Interesting.
There are a lot more interesting discrepancies, but you can look it up yourself if you are interested. Most christians are not. They are too insecure to delve into their past.
Shalom~Adoniah
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
9 Oct 10
Was Jesus really a Pharisee? I'd like to see the references you have found to suggest this. Jesus by his words, actions & teachings was 100% not from the Pharisees, not from the Saducees, but from that rather large "third category" known to some as the Essenes. Neither Jesus' personal nor family wealth came from anything to do with the fishing industry. Jesus had whatever he needed at the time he required it. Outwardly, he may well have appeared poor by the standards of the time. Jesus was very well supported on a daily basis by the tight-knit Essene community. It is not enough just to read a Holy Book; we should check that we have a proper understanding of the matter before we make assumptions.
The Emperor Constantine in c.325ACE had the aim of stopping the bloodshed not just between pagans & Christians, but between Christians & Christians as well. Prior to this meeting, there were a great many Christian groups, each of which had a different view of who Jesus was, what his teachings were, etc, etc. So it could be said at the time that Jesus was both a man & a God. John's Gospel, it is said, was written entirely with this aim in mind, specifically targeting the Greeks who thought there was no point to it all if Jesus were not shown to be a God, at least as great as their own array of Gods.
I'm also aware of many discrepancies scholars & theologians have cited over the last few centuries. Most Christians have every reason to be insecure & defensive as each of these findings stand to cut right to the heart of what Christians have been taught about the Holy Bible & its teachings for centuries.
Peace be with You
@comment_please (338)
• Philippines
16 Oct 10
Adoniah, you don't believe in Jesus. You have reasons. But you should learn more. Read a book. If you have time, visit www.thebibletells.com they have a book, "Great Controversy" and "Alpha and Omega".
@Gordano (795)
• United States
6 Oct 10
of course there are so many verses in the Bible clearly say that Jesus is not God, and here are just few.
Mark 13:32 (KJV)
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
John 14:28
[i]...... for my Father is greater than I
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Mark 10:18 (KJV)
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
John 17:3 (KJV)
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
also in Luke 7:16
And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
the verse clearly say that People at the time of Jesus knew him as a Prophet.
as for Jesus in my religion, I'm a Muslim and Islam is he the Only religion beside Christianity that make it a Must to believe in Jesus, Jesus Christ in Islam a Prophet born miraculously from a Virgin through the same Power that brought Adam to the being without a father or a mother, He was sent as a messenger to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, and only to them as said by Jesus to the woman of Canaan, He was not crucified nor he was killed on the cross, but it was made to appear to the Jews as if they crucified Jesus and killed him, but God lifted him alive to the heaven and He will come again for his worldly mission not only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, most of his followers will be Muslims.
Best Regards!
@comment_please (338)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
I respect your belief.
You may read, Luke 1:35 John1:1-3,14 Col1:15-19 John10:30; 14:9 Rom6:23
2Cor5:17-19 John5:22 Luke1:35 Phil2:5-11 Heb2:9-18 1Cor15:3,4
Heb8:1,2 John14:1-3
@achilles2010 (3051)
• India
4 Oct 10
I am a Roman Catholic and I believe in Jesus as much as you do. There is no verse in the Bible, which says Jesus is not God, but there are so many verses, which tells that Jesus is the Son of God. For Roman Catholics too Jesus is the central figure.
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
9 Oct 10
Welcome to My Lot :-).
Excellent! That would make you another vegetarian or possibly even a vegan :-). That's very good already. Glad to have made your acquaintance. I myself am a baptized & confirmed member of the Lutheran Church of Australia; have been all my life & for countless generations previous. I think it's more important to practice what Jesus' teachings were, rather than to have a particular religious affiliation. As Jesus said:
"If ye love me, keep my commandments". John 14:15 KJV.
Other religions teach much the same things & claim their founder is also the only way to heaven. Let them be. It is already wonderful other religions consider Jesus as a prophet or an extraordinary person. It would be even better if Christians would consider all the great past masters as prophets & extraordinary people. Then perhaps we could all begin to get along a little better. From God's point of view, his children should not be fighting & hating & killing each other over Him. It is very sad & unfortunate to see. If you use the Holy Bible, you will invariably find texts that both support & refute (not simultaneously!) the argument that Jesus was / wasn't God. Some of these are shown in the responses to this topic. The best way, or a more reliable way is to ask Jesus yourself; directly communicate with Him & He will answer you. If you do not know how to do this, find someone who can help you unconditionally with this & experience it for yourself.
@comment_please (338)
• Philippines
11 Nov 10
John 14:15 is one of my favorite verse in the bible. My wife don't eat meat...so she don't cook it too. Sometimes, we eat fish if there's nothing to eat but just a little. Our favorites are fruits and nuts.
