Should Meg Whitman be thrown in jail?
By gewcew23
@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
October 3, 2010 10:46am CST
You know when conservative loath illegal immigrates so much when they would be willing to throw a businessmen/women in jail for hiring illegals. Please don't tell me that no conservative has ever discussed such actions, I can find such discussion here on mylot that speak to such actions. So Meg Whitman former Ebay CEO current GOP candidate for the California Governor hired an illegal immigrate to clean her house, oh how horrible. Granted she paid her $23 per hour of work but how dare she hire some one who we say she cannot hire. Alright conservatives here's you chance to send a message to all other businessmen and women out there, support throw her and her husband in jail. If you are not willing to support that then shut up about.
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@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
4 Oct 10
Sorry, gewcew, I cannot support what you say. I am not necessarily a Whitman fan, but I know a political dirty-deal scheme when I smell it, and Gloria Allred is queen of trashing almost anyone, including political opponents, for a price and face time.
When anyone hires through an agency, they pay a premium for the trust they must have and they must rely on that agency (parents hire nannies that way all the time). The agency said it had obtained proper and sufficient documentation for that worker. That is the job of an agency, to certify the employee they send out and collect money on. This criminal housekeeper presented false documents.
You are way wrong; Whitman hired someone who represented herself as a legal worker to the agency whose job was to investigate and ratify, or confirm validity.
The one you should be angry at is the illegal alien who committed the crimes of fraud, identity theft and lawlessness in entering this country illegally while so many others wait in line to be legal. What are you thinking? This greedy woman was not satisfied with having stolen a job from a legal person or an American citizen, like you and me who need jobs in our own country and would be more than grateful for that kind of exorbitant pay for that position!
You should be angry at the woman who committed these crimes; she should be jailed and then deported, not coddled and given another free ride.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Oct 10
As always, Epic, right on & brava! (see my letter here)
Maggiepie
"If you destroy a free market you create a black market." ~ Benjamin Franklin
@epicure35 (2814)
• United States
11 Oct 10
Maggie, Thanks much for your continued and unwavering stance for truth and justice and for your support.
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
5 Oct 10
My personal opinion is if we started holding heads of companies responsible for the companies actions then we may see a change in how businesses are run.
But, in this case, I'm lost about the letter. If the housekeeper was working through an employment agency or temp agency then why would whomever send a letter to Whitman instead of the company that actually employees the woman?
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
5 Oct 10
An employment agency is not an employer the way a temp agency is. A temp agency pays the employee's wages but an employment agency is simply a middleman. An employment agency collects a fee from the employer for referring suitable applicants. Whitman was her employer. The IRS would not send any letter for the employer to the agency.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
5 Oct 10
Ah, well I hadn't heard all of the details that's why I was asking the question. Since you seem to know, why would it be the IRS and not INS (or whatever it's called now)?
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Oct 10
If she "knowingly" hired an illegal immigrant, then yes...she should be thrown in jail. End of story.
However....it doesn't quite look like that is the case. But I am going to reserve judgment until the facts all come out.
However one thing I have to comment on because it really irritated me. This house keeper and her "lawyer" are claiming that Whitman "financialy abused" her....Ex-f'ing-SCUSE ME????? 23 bucks an hour is "financial abuse"?????? Sorry...this woman has a lot of gall. Do NOT come in to my country, break our laws by being here under fraudulent pretenses and then claim you were financially abused in a job that pays more than 80% of the wage earniers in this country will ever see. This housekeeper is the one who should be thrown in jail. I sincerely hope hey do bring this to court....I really want to see the judge cie both the house keeper and the lawyer for contempt for even thinking about bringing this in to waste the court's time.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
5 Oct 10
They aren't filing a lawsuit. OF course, that's because Allred knows she has no evidence of any abuse or anything actionable at law. She has filed a "claim" for the "mileage" the housekeeper is owed for allegedly being forced to use her own car for errands. Then we hear the housekeeper on television, tearfully describing how she was mistreated and she must speak up so others won't be so badly mistreated.
The only one who is mistreating Nicky Diaz is her attorney. She's allowed her to come forward and publicly admit to being illegal and to a felony, the fraudulent use of a social security number belonging to another. No attorney who is actually interested in the welfare of his or her client would place that client in such jeopardy. Nicky Diaz could be deported, or spend five years in prison.
That alone is enough for me to acknowledge that whatever Whitman did or didn't know, this whole claim is a political hit. And the biggest victim could be Nicky Diaz, unless she has some guarantees that we are not aware of. Let's wait and see if anything happens to her. If not, I would say the fix is in.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
3 Oct 10
Since Meg Whitman has provided the actual documentation on how she was hired and the other side has yet to provide anything other than a press conference, it is clear that Meg Whitman hired her unknowingly. She trusted the employment agency to check the status of its employees. Which the unemployment agency clearly failed in its policies as well.
The real person who committed the crime was the illegal immigrant. Stolen identity is a big deal and a jail worthy offense. Worse, her attorney completely outed her in front of the entire world for a political move. So, now she almost certainly is now going to face identity theft charges, face ICE, and the part of the public who knows her. It appears her attorney is not working in her best interests.
Yes, the timing is clearly very suspicious.
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
4 Oct 10
Perhaps you should buy some land from Gloria Allred. She will give you a good deal then screw you over if it is for a political reason. The letter merely mentioned a discrepancy. You really think that the social security administration doesn't make mistakes. The original letter can be found posted on TMZ.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Oct 10
Here is the hypocrisy of Republicans on immigration. They actually don't want to make it illegal to hire them, but they don't want them in this country. If you read the Arizona immigration bill you see that at NO time can an employer be charged with a crime if they hire an illegal. However, if I report a business for hiring an illegal immigrant, and they fire them before the authorities show up, I can be charged with a crime (which is funny if it isn't illegal to hire them, then there wouldn't be a crime in the first place). But Arizona sent a message to everyone that we don't care if you hire illegals, and we will even make sure that people don't report you. I don't know how it could be legal to hire someone who is breaking the law, but in Arizona it is not only OK, but supported by the legislature. Can ANYONE please explain this to me like I am a four year old?
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
4 Oct 10
Well maybe the party doesn't want to make it a crime but I have run into a few conservatives here on mylot that would. Yet when give the chance to stand by their principles they have just made excuses. I was unaware about this part of the Arizona immigration bill so I wont be able to explain it to you like you are a four year old.
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@dbusichio (80)
• United States
6 Oct 10
I agree, but why bother voting for either one. Vote: None of the above!!! As I am!!
Jerry Brown is nothing more than a curruppted has been politian.
Do you, for one moment, beleive that Jerry Brown had nothing to do with this maid scandel?
It seems to me,It's the same old politics as usual. Jerry Brown would sell his own mother to buy votes to get in the Governers mantion one last time.
Both Jerry and his Father Pat Brown crooks.
If I were you, I would do a little bit more research.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
9 Oct 10
I really don't understand why ANYONE would want to be governor of California. The state is a mess, and the way the state is set up, you can't do anything about it. I am sure that Jerry Brown had something to do with this, but he didn't make Meg hire her. He just put it out there in the public, and let people know about it. I am sure that Meg would have done the same thing if Brown was doing this. That is politics.
@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
5 Oct 10
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/10/02/how-meg-whitman-was-ambushed-by-her-maid/
Med Whitman and her husband are only guilty if they knowingly hired an illegal. If you read the link I posted, you'll see that they are guilty of nothing, so you shut up.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Oct 10
That's it, Bestboy! Bite 'em on their patoots! Keep'm outta our yard! Good boy!
Maggiepie
"If you destroy a free market you create a black market." ~ Benjamin Franklin
@nzinky (822)
• United States
3 Oct 10
No I don't think she should be thrown in jail, but I think that Jerry Brown and Gloria Alred and the Illegal alien should be thrown in jail......when Meg found out for sure she had made a mistake she fired her.......Do you think this would have been a big deal if she had of kept her on.......Or it hadn't been an election year.....
I don't.......Jerry Brown had the state of california in so much debt he should te tried for impersonating a human being.....and Alred should be tired for impersonating an attornory.......I'm sorry the women tried to show she was crying but I always had trouble with that when there was no tears...Alred should also be tried for harboring an illeagal alien.......
@AD11RGUY (1265)
• United States
3 Oct 10
"......Jerry Brown had the state of california in so much debt he should te tried for impersonating a human being.."
It's amazing how ignorant so many people are about Jerry Brown. Instead of me arguing from my memory, here's a short excerpt from Wiki:
"Upon taking office, Brown gained a reputation as a fiscal conservative.[7][8] The American Conservative noted he was "much more of a fiscal conservative than Governor Reagan."[8] His fiscal restraint resulted in one of the biggest budget surpluses in state history.[8] He was both in favor of a Balanced Budget Amendment and opposed to Proposition 13, the latter of which would decrease property taxes and greatly reduce revenue to cities and counties. When Proposition 13 passed, he heavily cut state spending and used much of the surplus his government had built up, roughly $5 billion, to meet the proposition's requirements and help offset the revenue losses.[9][8] His actions in response to the proposition earned him praise from Proposition 13 author Howard Jarvis who went as far to campaign for Brown's successful reelection bid in 1978."
And the root cause of the California State deficit should be mentioned here, since clearly you need someone to blame, nzinky.
"California’s inflation-adjusted per-capita spending has been nearly flat for more than 30 years. The state’s deficits come not from a spending binge, but from tax reductions adopted without cutting spending. Neocons promoted this “Starve the Beast” strategy as a way to cut otherwise too-popular programs (eventually), and sometimes even scared Democrats into going along (Jerry Brown reacting to Proposition 13).
Tax reductions began in 1978 when Proposition 13 reduced local governments’ revenues by 57% and further limited property tax increases. The State back-filled this shortfall, and its budgets have been in trouble ever since.
But why were property taxes such a focus of voter dissatisfaction?
* Revenue distribution changed: In 1976 the California Supreme Court mandated sharing local school revenues with poorer districts. Property owners in affluent districts no longer had the exclusive benefit of taxes they paid for their local schools.
* Budget surpluses: California government maintained surpluses resented by fixed-income voters who suffered during the housing bubble described below. Oddly, Republicans still say they want to collect a surplus even as the electorate suffers from the “Great Recession.”
* Inflation/housing bubble: The inflation of the 1970’s was the principal reason for Prop 13’s passage. Fixed-income homeowners received shockingly large (and growing) property tax bills because inflation increased their homes’ taxable values dramatically. “Save Grandma’s home” was an important part of the campaign for Prop 13.
Proposition 13 also limited real estate taxes on commercial property, like homes, raising tax rates only when they changed hands. But since businesses often own property through subsidiaries, no reassessment, and no tax increase, occurs if they sell not the property but the subsidiary, in pieces, over several years. Property transfers could take longer, but no change in the tax bill would occur even if the property value doubled.
The impact is not trivial. The California Tax Reform Association reports: “in virtually every county in the state, the share of the property tax borne by [residences] has increased since the passage of Proposition 13 in 1978, while the share of the property tax borne by non-residential property has decreased. Some examples: in Contra Costa County, the residential share of the property tax went from 48% to 73%. In Santa Clara, the residential share went from 50% to 64%, despite massive industrial/commercial growth. In Los Angeles, it went from 53% to 69%. In Orange, it went from 59% to 72%.”
The 1970s inflation that led to higher real estate prices and taxes came from energy price inflation that began in 1973, just two years after a peak in domestic oil production insured we would not be able to produce our way out of even a small shortfall in worldwide petroleum supply. Unhappy with U.S. support for Israel during the Yom Kippur War, Arabs decreased oil production and prices went up fivefold almost overnight, peaking in 1982 at $42/bbl (roughly double that price in current dollars). In 1971, oil cost less than $2/bbl.
Home prices in the 1970s increased along with gas prices because, besides of petroleum’s importance in producing other goods, people bought homes as an inflation hedge. Because mortgages magnify the effect of inflation (and as we’ve recently discovered, deflation), homes were a smart investment, until they became unsalable because of high mortgage rates (16 – 18% in 1982).
So the origin of California’s tax reductions, and even its current budget deficit, is arguably oil price inflation. If we want a stable economy, and government without deficits, we need to stop kidding ourselves that spending is at the root of our budget problems, and attend to our energy addiction."
Adam Eran"
So there you have it - the neocons (conservatives, right wingers, Republicans) started this mess in California. And so he11bent on destroying this states budget they even managed to wipe out the surplus that Jerry Brown Jr., a Democrat, had built up during his governorship. And you want to put another Republican in Sacramento.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Oct 10
Nzinky, Meg was told about this situation in 2003, and ignored it. Now the irony of this is if Meg lived in Arizona then you are correct that all three could be thrown in jail, but Meg would NEVER be charged with anything. Make sense to anyone here?
If you are going to try Alred for that, than you would have to try Meg for it as well seeing how she harbored her for 7 years after she was told by the IRS that there were issues with her citizenship.
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
3 Oct 10
The Whitman's hired the woman through an employment agency. The employment agency furnished the Whitman's with photo copies of the woman S.S. number and California D.L. therefore the Whitman's hired what they was lead to believed was a legal worker. I hope Meg Whitman kicks Jerry Brown's butt on November 2,2010.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Oct 10
The letter didn't say that. It said that some of the information didn't match their records. That could be as simple as a typo on a date of birth or a different address. No where in the letter did it mention any type of fraud or that the SS# belonged to someone else. The letter is online and available to read.
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@elmiko (6630)
• United States
4 Oct 10
no, i think sending someone to jail over such a thing would just taking up space for when even worse criminals should be in jail. even without that i don't think someone should go to jail over such that. i really don't know what should happen to be honest because certain immigrants even though they come illegally to the U.S. are still very much needed as workers such as farm jobs. i think their at least needs to be a workers program for people who come to just make a better living. i think their is a workers program for farm jobs. i may be incorrect about that. i guess i would say at worst if illegals are not in a workers program would be to fine the people that hire them.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
13 Oct 10
Caught with her hand in the hypocrisy jar, and still leading in the polls. Scary...
@Atkyjason (4)
• United States
4 Oct 10
Ah yes good old fringe right wing contradictions yet again. Try to forgive them. their Intellectual growth has been stunted by Fox News and numerous other media outlets.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
11 Oct 10
The facts are that Whitman hired her through an agency who were, apparently, fooled by her illegal, phony IDs, & therefore didn't have ANY REASON to suspect the woman was illegal!
Furthermore, the MOMENT she was appraised of this, she fired her! So she broke no laws. That her HUSBAND--not she--had received a note in the mail regarding questions the government had about the woman has NO bearing on Whitman, who never saw the note, because her husband only showed it to the illegal alien, thinking it was for her to take care of. He hadn't understood that it was he (or his wife) were "harboring" an illegal from the note, which confused him.
Now Gloria Allredintheface--that ambulance-chaser--gets her nose into it, & suddenly the lawbreaker is a "victim." Oh, boo hoo.
So...where's the damned BEEF?
Just find something real to gripe about.
Maggiepie
"If you destroy a free market you create a black market." ~ Benjamin Franklin
@trruk1 (1028)
• United States
3 Oct 10
That is the only way to solve the problem of all the people who are working here illegally. Arrest the people who hire them and they will stop hiring them. when jobs are no longer available, most of them will voluntarily return home. Two strange things about this case: a housekeeper has a great deal of intimate contact with household members, and it would take a real dim bulb not to realize (nine years!) that the housekeeper might be here illegally. Whitman is not stupid. The other strange thing is the pay rate. I have never heard of a housekeeper being paid $23/hour. Even in California.