Federal Judge Injunction on "don't ask, don't tell"
By afarrell1
@afarrell1 (258)
United States
October 12, 2010 3:34pm CST
I am not trying to argue the merit's or unconstitutionality of the don't ask don't tell policy. I think it should be you don't tell because no one really cares. But does anyone else have a problem with the fact that this Judge made the decision to rule the law unconstitutional in a two trial session without a jury?
I am more worried about the statement made by a support who said we should be grateful that she was able to accomplish what all of Washington could not. Doesn't this seem to tip the scales of power from an elective branch to a judiciary? It's my understanding that federal Judges are in for life, so there is no recourse to them if they go against the will of the people. It would have had more validity in my mind if a jury of 12 peers had made the decision, not one judge.
5 responses
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
13 Oct 10
Ultimately, it will be up to the Supreme Court. They will have the final ruling on the law. It will take probably a year or more before it actually gets to that level. By then, the DOD should have the study done and the analysis of how to implement it without disrupting from the main mission of the military which is to protect, serve, and defend the Constitution. That should be out in December sometime.
I found it interesting that the Judge said it violated the First Amendment. Much of the military information is under classified status and cannot be discussed openly. Thus the freedom of speech as a rule is naturally restricted within the military community. As such the case, the Judge would have to draw the line between personal communication and military communication. Not sure how the Fifth Amendment applies but that was the other amendment mentioned that was violated. Since the military does have its own justice system and technically we are at war as declared by Congress. (Not the 14th Amendment for those who used that argument.)
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
13 Oct 10
Actually we are not in a state of war as Congress never made a formal declaration of war against either Afghanistan or Iraq. They did declare that the president could use the Military to fight "War on Terror" which they didn't even declare that as a war either they have just allowed the president to send the military into "Police Actions" which limit the amount of power the president can use against said enemies as if they actually declared war on Afghanistan and Iraq the wars would of been finished a long time ago because the president could make it to where all resources are diverted to the Military and it would be like WWII all over again the reason these conflicts are taking so long is no actual war has ever been declared so we are only half using our Military if even that much. IF we where to go through congress and Declare war like the Constitution says the president and nation is supposed to these conflicts would of been done and over with as the DOD would have far more power in using its resources to accomplish the goal which is end the wars as quickly and efficiently as possible. So technically we are actually in a state of peace as no formal declaration of war approved by congress ever passed. Ron Paul even mentions this.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
13 Oct 10
Still doesn't explain why the the legislation is considered a violation of the 5th Amendment. Congress did vote to support President Bush's decision to go in, even if the formal declaration was not made. Still the exemption in the 5th does apply to "in cases arising in the naval and land forces."
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am5
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
14 Oct 10
not sure how it violates the 5th either and congress gave him the ablity to send troops in but without the declaration of war so our soldiers are just oversees fight in a small conflict like Somalia.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
13 Oct 10
The Judiciary branch of the United States government is not concerned with the will of the people as they are concerned with the constitutionality of a given law or act. That is their sole job is to insure that the government doesn't violate any laws of the United States Constitution they are the balancing act to Congress as Congress can kick both the president and the judges out through impeachment which means they have to break the law in some way shape or form and be found guilty.
As said by the person above me you only have a right to jury if it is a criminal case where your liberty is in danger. In this case it is a ruling deciding if DADT is constitutional or not. Which this level of court has decided that it isn't. It will be appealed to the next highest court where they can make the decision on if the lower courts decision was valid or not in which case it could be brought back to court at the lower one again or appealed to the next highest court until it reaches the supreme court where then if they decide that DADT is unconstitutional it is stricken from the books and Homosexuals would be allowed to serve openly the very second the court decides that or they can decide that it is constitutional which would be interesting to see how that is. And DADT would have to wait for congress to strike it down or not.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
14 Oct 10
My problem is that this DADT is not a law but a policy. What happens if a person who is 6' 11" wants to challenge the policy of the limit on the height of a pilot. Will the US have to build a special plane to accommodate him? This is a dangerous ruling in that the courts have now entered into the Policy area that has been reserved for the Executive Branch and the Legislative Branch can make a law to over turn the policy.
@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
13 Oct 10
October 12,2010 Obama administration appeals gay marriage ruling. Obama's homosexual base may not be very happy hearing this news.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69B63U20101012
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
12 Oct 10
It's not that Washington can not do it, it's that it doesn't want to. If they really wanted to, they'd have it done by now. Those that do want it have to convince those that don't via a lengthy study that the military won't spontaneously combust the moment they say "okay, gays can serve openly".
A federal judge can be removed from the bench, and the trial is not a criminal trial, so it doesn't necessitate a jury of peers.
This judge's ruling is not the be all and end all decision of the argument. It could be over-ruled and the injunction struck down upon appeal.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Oct 10
AS a mater for the courts, it's a bit of a streatch. But the further deeper point in this that is being largely ignored, is that it didn't even have to go to court in the first place. Obama could have ended DADT (still could) with the stroke of a pen. As commander in chief of our military he does have that authority. So why hasn't he?