And God said... kill people??
By mommyboo
@mommyboo (13174)
United States
October 14, 2010 3:54am CST
Ok, I'm kidding, it's kinda tongue in cheek. I was just coming from a discussion where someone was judging all atheists and probably all 'non christians' as evil.
With all the awareness in the news of people who have killed themselves due to being pressured, bullied, or otherwise NOT ACCEPTED for who they are, this is a perfect example of what not to be doing.
Why is there so much dissension and hatred between people who are religious and those who are not? Why can't both sides just agree to disagree and just plain IGNORE the existence of the other? I have news for you, nobody HAS to believe anything they don't want to. I would never off myself over something like this but some people would and they HAVE! This also ties into bullying anybody for any 'perceived difference that a person doesn't like'. Keep in mind there may be things about YOU that other people don't like, and you are not the authority on what is okay and what isn't.
The end result here is a lot of miserable people and broken lives - because nobody can leave well enough alone. By the way, God does not condone this behavior, whether you believe in him or not.
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18 responses
@goldenteardrops (747)
• United States
14 Oct 10
man destroys themselves. man made choices. one against the other. why? because they do not really know why we are here..they run from reality have short lives, one wants more than the other greed, selfish, pity, taken from and not given to.
see sometimes one does not seek to know the rules of life and it can be better but all must want it to be. to work together . the rules ..what are the rules..well simple and believeing or not believeing if one would just follow the rules what harm could it do..what are they ? they are the commandments themselfs...the commandments of liveing now , read them and see the rules and think about them...no harm done..as for killing it was a word replaced as murder..to defend another if family and in a rightful way is not murder. think about the peaceful world we would have if only everyone would obey the rules...
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
People may not be following 'the rules' because people disagree over what they are. There begins another fight...see where I'm going with this?
I agree that it's fine to defend yourself and/or your family. I would. I wouldn't ask anybody first and if something occurred, I would not feel sorry either. However, what I meant about the killing is that it is NEVER okay for someone to decide that they disagree with abortion, so they are going to go bomb a clinic. GOD SAID ABORTION IS WRONG. So I'm going to KILL somebody to prove a point. That is jacked up and irresponsible behavior and it reflects poorly on your religion because you are misguided. Same thing with anybody who takes it upon themselves to harrass or hurt someone because their lifestyle is different than yours. Would you like someone to harrass or hurt YOU because of YOUR lifestyle? Think about the effect on somebody from what you do before you engage in it. If it would hurt you or make your life hard, then you shouldn't be doing it to another person. EVER.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
I get utterly disgusted with people who are obsessed with sharing 'the truth' with people to the point where they make little kids cry because they demonstrate and picket and tell them there is 'no santa' and 'no easter bunny' or tell ANYBODY 'you are going to hell'. We all know that when someone says THAT, even if you have no idea what that means, that it's not GOOD. You can tell someone who says that has judged you personally and believes you MUST HAVE GOD LIKE THEY DO for them to think better of you. I don't think anybody should be saying anything of that nature to another person. It makes me angry that I should even have to SAY that.
@goldenteardrops (747)
• United States
16 Oct 10
perhaps anger gets control of people in a wrong way and sometimes people do things their way first than ask God first. For a christain one should ask God first in word and deed. to man's way sometimes not right and will not last but what God puts together does. Understnad onesself in control is good but to lose control is not good. But can harm self and others. Some have choices not always easy but the choice is up to them. If you follow instead of lead then you will always be left behind. truth is truth and to many lies leads to other lies. A child knows only what it is taught . Raise a child in the way it should go and it will not depart from them. Joy is good and there is joy in the Lord. People can be JUST people or they can be more...a govern of success and prosperity.
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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14 Oct 10
We don't know for sure what God said. But we do know that humans have interpreted what they think that he may have said for there own nefarious ends. Impatience, intolerance, bigotry, deliberate confusion are all traits of christianity. Yet there are also many who are quite the opposite. I believe firmly in "Do unto others...as you would have done to yourself" (misquoted I am sure). I believe in one God (or whatever you choose to call him or her) and how you get to be in the presence is up to you. But if you demonstrate a lack of tolerance for others that are blameless save they don't follow your path, then I believe that you walk backwards and it will take you longer to get there. Wherever "there" is.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
I like what you've said here. Humans are fallible even if God isn't, and as such every time we repeat anything, especially over a long history, it's like the telephone game. What we have now may be NOTHING like what was originally said, and it has definitely been interpreted and reinterpreted, think of how many OTHER holy books there are now. Did we start out with 59687 different holy books? I'm not thinking so.
I feel that the few bad people from any religion or non religion put the face on the religion for people who aren't part of it. Fair or not, that is what the rest of the world sees when they think of that religion. Christians are pushy and convert everybody and argue that they are right and everyone else is wrong, Muslims want to kill everybody....assumptions like this about EVERYBODY from a religion adds to the general intolerance of others and must be stopped.
I think God does whatever he wants with us when it's time for us to move on from here, and it's not as much 'up to us' as people really think. Besides, it does not matter, we continue but not in these bodies, and that would happen anyway no matter what we believe. I don't think that 'believers' continue and everyone else just ceases to exist or anything like that lol. The way some of them talk it sounds like that's what they believe.
@gjabaigar (2200)
• Philippines
14 Oct 10
Atheists are prone to make evil because of their weak on Divine Wisdom. They are known as rebels of the Religions. There are ALSO Atheists within the Religions of God these are a hidden and rebelling directly to God silently, and these are the most dangerous Atheist than an Atheist that has not been in a circle or group of an established Religion of God. They are like a Trojan Horse or a Virus that are ready to corrupt any of its members within the Religion of God. Mostly with those having a very weak and poor in faith are fallen into their trap and became also a hidden rebels or a silent Atheists within the Religion of God. And they are highly condemned by man and by God.
Believe it or not the war between good and evil, God and Satan are very real. Physically and Spirituality. Visible and Invincible.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
Hmmm.. my original post concerns how religious treat non religious and how it's important that we find a way to respect each other, not convince each other the other is right. I do not remember ever saying one group or person is evil, nor would I. I also do not get involved in any wars on principle
I posted somewhere else that there is no sense in arguing, you are not right - and neither am I. It's not ABOUT being right. It's not ABOUT convincing people so you can get another notch in your belt. It's about personal choices in lives that have nothing to do with you.
@wonttakelong (3555)
• United States
16 Oct 10
"Atheists are prone to make evil because of their weak on Divine Wisdom"
UH I disagree
Atheists are no more prone to "evil" than any other human being!
There are radical muslims that commit heinous crimes against mankind
there are Catholic priests that commit vulgar crimes against children
there are sinners in every religion and yes some that are atheists
every human being has the capability of doing "evil" acts
saying atheists are more prone to evil is like saying black people are more prone to rob someone or muslims are more prone to bomb something
that type of stereotyping is whats wrong with this world!
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
16 Oct 10
Haven't those angry people ever heard that one can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar?
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@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
22 Oct 10
Somehow, I got the comment intended for Mommyboo. Sorry.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
mommyboo, it sounds as if you like wearing blinkers. I prefer to see what's going on around me.
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
16 Oct 10
You are absolutely one hundred percent right on this one. You see, I saw the discussion that you are referring to and I actually did say that there is absolutely nothing at all wrong with a person being atheist. In fact, I've known many people in my life that are in fact atheist and the only way that I've ever learned that they didn't believe in any God was because it was something that came up in conversation.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
That's proof right there that belief in God or lack thereof has nothing to do with anything. All those 'differences' people say, like those without God lack morality or don't teach empathy are only perceived, and are only there if someone knows AHEAD of time that someone is atheist - so they have been prejudged. So hypocritical lol.
I have a few pagan friends, and I will state right here - they would give me their last dollar if I was hungry! They'd help me push my car if I ran out of gas, they would be kind to my daughter even if they were afraid of kids. They don't worship devils or sacrifice animals or put curses on people lol. They seem much more well adjusted to me than some of my religious fanatic friends - they don't talk about God all the time. They never suggest that I need to 'find' myself lol. Honestly we usually talk about health care, Disney, cats, holidays, our children, vacations, the state of the economy.... and those are just snippets of the last few things I remember we discussed lately via facebook and twitter and text lol.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
If you don't believe in God, where do your morals come from? Surely an atheist's morals are just human ideas and they have no right to impose them on others. A religious persons morals come from God (or whatever they believe in), which is greater than humans so they can enforce their morals on others. I think in practice most atheists haven't really thought this through. What does an atheist do when their kids announce that they want to do something the atheist doesn't like?
It's certainly true that atheists often show hostility towards religious people.
I had a Wiccan friend (now deseaced) who got into trouble and who helped her? Her wiccan friends? No, my wife and myself who are Messianics. I think that says something.
@KiaX100000 (33)
• United States
15 Oct 10
me: Cant we all just get along?
other dude: NO!!!
another dude: shoots other dude in the head
LOL
but seriously, your right it's terrible. I was raised a christian and beleive in god yet I understand this? WTF. Obviously you got some close minded people in the world :(
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
So if you came across a group of religious people who were planning to kill some other people because of their religion, would you interfere in their religion by stopping them or would you just leave them alone? What if they were doing questionable but non-fatal things to others (e.g. not letting girls get educated)? Where do you draw the line?
@34momma (13882)
• United States
15 Oct 10
I don't condone people getting bullied, hurt, killed, or killing themselves because others are to stupid to mind their business!!! Everyone has the choice to believe what they want. God is the only true judge of what is right and wrong. These poor children and young adults feeling so alone they think that killing themselves is the only release of pain is just heartbreaking.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
I think a lot of children and young adults are not being taught or given the tools to learn how to advocate for themselves, how to be assertive rather than aggressive, and how to reliably agree to disagree without turning things into a war. If we ALL realized that nobody ever HAS to agree with you but there's nothing bad if they don't, then people would stop feeling guilt and hurt when people didn't. It's a fact of life, people may not agree with you. People should not USE that as a way to allow things to hurt them though.
I am not sure killing - yourself or others - is EVER the answer to anything. I believe there is always hope, always, sometimes the path to finding or realizing it is very hard though.
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
15 Oct 10
I agree with you!!! As you pointed out, God said "Thou shalt NOT kill!!!" He also said "Love thy neighbor as thyself!!! I saw NO mention of unless they are Atheist!!! On His dying day, Jesus forgave the murderer next to him;so, I just don't understand why all those who profess to be Christians just can't find it in themselves to do the same!!!! I don't care for the bigots who think they run the church, so I watch practically every preacher on TV on Sunday morning. Several of the more popular ones have said "If you are a Christian & look down on others because you are better than they are, then you will be in hell before they will!!! It seems that most Christians here feel they are superior to everybody else. I feel God loves the sinners equally to the Christians. With many religious discussions here, I hear God weeping afterward!!! I believe a good Christian sets an example by the way they act themselves NOT by showing off by quoting all they think they know. A very good friend of mine is one of these Christians. She's always telling me I'm going to hell because of something I think. I keep telling her she'll be there to shake my hand when I arrive. She doesn't think I'm funny!!!!
I don't want anybody to tell me what I'm to believe. I know what is in my heart & I know God allowed it to be there. Therefore, I don't feel it is my place to tell an Atheist they are wrong!!! I just attempt to live my life in a way that sets an example for others to see. I don't make it a point to shove my beliefs down another's throat, yet on the other side, I don't hide what I believe either!!! I have several friends who are Atheist. I don't try & change them & they don't try to change me. So, it is possible for Christians & Atheists to live in harmony!!!!
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
See, that's why I like you and always have. When I think about you, I think about YOU - you are friendly, cheery, intelligent, interesting, I would never think 'hmph, LadyM is a religious nut'.
Last year I met some very nice ladies at my daughter's school. However, when they both started trying to be 'the one' to convince me I should go to their church (they both went to different ones), I had to take a step back. When I said I wasn't really looking for one they asked me where I went and I said I didn't lol. I think my statement changed how they both looked at me. I personally feel that some people separate themselves from others purposely by doing that. It shouldn't matter and it doesn't matter. I think God loves everyone.
I think you're funny! I just try to avoid and ignore people who constantly preach, at least those who are in my life longterm and people that I care about. Strangers, notsomuch. With strangers I usually read them the riot act if they pull their 'God' card on me. The ONLY way to live well is to be an example by how you live. Then people will ask you what makes you centered or happy, or why you have all the luck or why you have a good marriage or wise kids - and that's a good way to witness, if you are going to.
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
16 Oct 10
I see myself as a nut who believes in a religion. I actually see myself as more spiritual than religious!!!! We have ALL sinned & come short of the glory of God!!! Therefore, the person looking down their nose at me has just committed one more sin than I am ever capable of committing so WHY do they assume I'm the one going to hell???? I do believe it is my job to forgive the ignorant for they know not of what they speak!!! When I think of God, I think of my parents. He/They love ALL their children EQUALLY!!! He/They do get hurt when any one of their children disobeys!!! Does He/They stop loving that child simply because they disobey??? Oh hell NOOOOOO!!!! My Mom always said "I'll love you no matter what!!! It's just sometimes I like you more than others." I think God feels that way!!!! I also believe that if you choose to go to hell...that is YOUR choice...it is NOT my decision to make for you!!! Of course, I should live my life in a way that sets a good example for you to see!!! As Oscar Wilde once said..."We are each our own devil, and we make this world our hell." My first husband said very little that made since, but he always said that we couldn't go to hell as we were living in it now. My last hubby believed that the soul was sent back here until it learned what it was sent here to learn to begin with & then it was allowed to enter Heaven. I know I'm NOT as perfect as God...all I can do is ask His forgiveness when I know I've screwed up!!! If my sin is so bad He can't forgive me, then I've earned my spot in hell!!!
@wonttakelong (3555)
• United States
15 Oct 10
that discussion you are talking about was laughable at best
they OP was doing the same thing he was complaining about others having done to him
there is a word for that type of behavior.....HYPOCRIT!
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
That person tends to write discussions like that one, in fact, I met them in another discussion similar to that one and argued for days. It doesn't help, T won't ever understand. I saw the wording 'these annoying atheists who came into the christian group' lol. Yep, hypocrite is right!
@advokatku (4033)
• Indonesia
14 Oct 10
In this thing, I'm not sure, maybe this wrong but you can asking to them who understand it to explain thing this. As far I know, at al qur'an there are several verses which said to kill people who don't want acknowledge the existence of God and worship God.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
14 Oct 10
The 'God' I know of listed as one of his commandments 'thou shalt not kill'. This means in current speak - don't kill people directly, don't CONTRIBUTE in other ways to killing people, support a corporation or authority figure who kills people, or cause people to kill themselves. At least that's how I interpret it. I'm not sure how much clearer 'don't kill people' can be. I believe that God also does not want people to kill themselves, at the same time I think there may be some understanding of why that happens given the attitudes of so many around us and the rates of anxiety, depression, hopelessness,and fear.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
advokatku - yes there are many places in the Koran which tells Muslims to kill non-Muslims. It also teaches to take revenge, "slave for slave, woman for woman, freeman for freeman" so presumably if a Muslim man kills your wife, you should kill his wife, not him.
mommyboo - No, the commandment you're thinking of actually says "You shall not murder" (Exod 20:13 - NIV). "Murder" is a lot more specific than "kill" at least in English. Therefore killing in war or defense and executing criminals are allowed (although many would argue that the last is ruled out by "let him who is perfect cast the first stone").
@junmae (1586)
• Philippines
15 Oct 10
I heard about this country, where a group of people kill the christians and catholics so some of them are not going outside. it seems that there is a war in that place bceause you never know when your life will be at stake. But here in my country, people respects each other's beliefs.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
It would be much easier if nobody bothered anybody else. There is a huge lack of respect for personal choice these days, no matter where you live. The idea of having to fear for my life because of idiots is ridiculous, I wouldn't feel that way toward them, I'd just want to make sure they had to stay away from me lol.
@madteaparty (2748)
• Japan
14 Oct 10
I'm glad to read someone making sense as you're doing
It's that behaviour about people from some religions trying to force their beliefs in a too insistent way and calling other people "evil" -seriously, what? - that make it difficult to cohabit. Of course, people who try to force beliefs are not only about religion, but about politics or even sports. Respect is important, I believe, and this world is lacking it a lot.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
You're right, it is a respect issue, and in some ways, a control issue. I have still never received an answer I can accept that explains why Christians, for instance, feel like they HAVE to change your mind or make you accept God. I don't know what it is about what is taught but they have some of the craziest most fanatic overzealous people, and that's just for starters. I know it is not ALL of them because I would say that at least 50% of my friends are religious. They generally apply it only to their own lives though, as EVERYBODY should do.
@ivansama (758)
• Bulgaria
15 Oct 10
Because some people feel insecure when their beliefs are questioned.
and others just like to be arses.
There really is no reasoning with people like that. people who want to convince everyone that their belief is right. so we'll never have that utopia of everyone being treated equally and no hatred unless one of those gods just shows up on TV or something. either that or all theists die.
So yeah it's impossible sadly
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@jp29524 (3)
• United States
15 Oct 10
Most religious people, especially those who are strict in their beliefs, think that they are infallible in their beliefs about God. Therefore, they think that their religion is the only way to God and those that don't follow their religion must die. This is part of the reason why people keep killing themselves over religion. If you ask me, I think the only infallible person or thing or entity is God and since we can't directly speak to him, we will never know which religion is truly right. So what I say is just stick with what you think is right and hope for the best, but don't kill people along the way because you believe your views are infallible.
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@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Oct 10
Absolutely... great response! The worst offenders are those who are fanatic, deeply religious and strict in following 'all their rules'. I suppose they do not realize how it looks from the outside - from people who have no idea what they are are about. It tends to look like people are brainwashed, and even if that isn't true, it appears that way. God is all around us, if he made the world and everything else, then there's no reason to 'find a way to God', is there?
You know, people would think I was a horrible person if I said point blank 'all those who do not agree with me deserve to die'. That is why people don't like religious zealots. All I want for people who don't agree is to live their lives on a parallel path and not get involved in my life if they don't agree. I think that is a small favor to ask.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
Surely everybody thinks their beliefs are right. If they didn't they'd believe something else. I suppose some people are less sure than others. Those who aren't so sure about their beliefs tend to be the ones who become most hostile in religious arguments because they can't defend their position.
Not every religion claims to be the only way to God, Hinduism and Wicca don't for example.
Very few people think that those who don't agree with them should be killed.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
16 Oct 10
Here on myLot when someone asks a direct question like "Why do you or why do you not believe in God?" no one should be surprised or insulted if the responder gives a direct answer. Either should anyone be incensed that anyone wants to debate the issue. On the other hand, when you're getting nowhere with the person you're debating, let it go. If someone thinks a nonbeliever in God is evil or may be evil, the responder needs to remember that that person is entitled to his/her opinion and you are free to disagree with them. There's no reason anyone should get worked up over any of this.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
18 Oct 10
I get worked up over intolerance. I have a solution though... people should just let people be. Nobody is EVIL. No group or person is any better than another. We are all human beings so we are all EQUAL. After that, it really doesn't matter at all what any individual believes, just that their belief fits them and they believe it for the right reasons, they weren't brainwashed, they have seen what else is out there, etc.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
19 Oct 10
It's hard for me to believe that anyone who lives in this world can make the statement that "Nobody is EVIL." There are many evil people in the world; but I believe them to be evil on an individual basis, not necessarily because they're a part of any particular group. I also have to disagree with you that "it really doesn't matter at all what any individual believes..." Isn't it our beliefs that form our character?
Perhaps the writer who thinks atheist are evil think that way because he/she feels those atheist don't worry about eternal consequences, so don't care what they think, say or do; where most religious people's faith has some sort of eternal punishment or reward that wound cause the religious person to be more circumspect.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
I think psychopaths as a group are more evil than most other groups. Same for pedophiles.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
21 Oct 10
I don't know the discussion you're referring to.
Doesn't the Bible say that all men (and women) have sinned? Isn't there a concept of "original sin" so even new borns bare the guilt of Adam and Eve?
I don't think you should persecute people for just believing something. Of course there are situations where beliefs are likely to translate into questionable actions. For example if somebody is expressing Islamist views people probably should be concerned that they might shoot up an army base even if they are an army psychiatrist! However if you argue your position and they don't like it, it's hardly your fault. I don't agree with allowing certain people (particularly a certain Arabian religion) to dictate what other people can and can't do because they're easily offended (apparently British schools have stopped teaching about the Holocaust so as not to offend them). I think people who are easily offended have poorly thought out or illogical positions that they can't defend well.
Does anybody kill themselves because somebody criticized them for being an atheist or non-Christian? If you're not comfortable with your religion (including atheism), you can change to something else (although if you're a Muslim, your family might kill you).
Most the things I've noticed in the news is people who killed themselves because they were bullied for being gay. What really upsets me about this is that people seem to be really upset about gays being harassed (I'm not even sure that all these people were gay) but nobody seems to care about bullying of nerds! Why are gays judged to be more important than nerds?
@stylewaves (1060)
• India
15 Oct 10
I dont believe in the God , humans are making the Gods and deriving their principles to God