Feminism in Politics
By djbtol
@djbtol (5493)
United States
October 18, 2010 6:59pm CST
Four women you see in the political news these days are Hillary Clinton, Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell and Sharron Angle. Different women and different styles. Which ones do you think represent feminism? Is there more than one flavor of feminism?
I found this discussion on a blog site that is pretty insightful, although I think she might be a bit hard on Sarah and Christine. What do you think?
http://rubylee1776.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/futuristic-feminism-hillary-clinton-or-sarah-palin/
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
19 Oct 10
It all depends on whether you mean being a female or a feminist. According to the modern rules, if you believe in abortion, women's rights are more important then family, you are a feminist and man is secondary. That would mean Hillary Clinton.
The others, (I do not know about Sharron Angle) are the conservative women and especially Sarah Palin as she did not abort her down syndrome son as a feminist would have.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
19 Oct 10
Yes, I agree there are some wide variations in the definition of feminism. Somewhere, along the line, the anti-man and anti-family aspects became quite strong. I suspect they were there from beginning, considering the feminists that started the so called 'movement'.
And of course, one huge difference is whether you believe a woman has the right to give the thumbs up or thumbs down verdict on the life of a baby.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
19 Oct 10
Babies are innocents. No one should give the thumbs down on killing a baby. A lady would not want to kill an unborn, but an extreme feminist would. And the former would do their best to save both mother and infant. Yes and I watched that House episode last night.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
19 Oct 10
That is an insightful blog, thank you for posting the link. As a member of the generation of women who "invented" feminism, I have to say ALL of the women you listed represent it. The problem with feminists, just like with Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, people tend to want to place them all into a tiny box in which they simply can't all fit. When someone says, "Why aren't (or are) the feminists outraged over (fill in the blanks) I want to scream, "Because we're nt all identical to each other!" You don't have to be a card-carrying member of NOW to be a "feminist" in the year 2010.
I'd like to believe the majority of women today, especially in the United States, are feminists whether they consider themselves to be or not, whether they work outside the home or not and whether they're politically active or not. To me, feminism means never having to agree to be a second class citizen, never having to accept that a man can do a better job, never having to put up with abuse or infidelity because you can't take care of yourself. Some men want to be plumbers or mechanics while other men want to be attorneys or Wall Street bankers. Some women dream of being homemakers and some dream of becoming doctors. Thank God all of us are individuals with our own unique goals and desires!
I'm sorry I got a bit off-topic here! I think the differences between Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin are fairly easy to explain and understand. Sarah is just enough younger than Hillary to have no problem with emphasizing both her femininity and appearance and her positions while Hillary grew up in the days of June Cleaver, as I did. Those were the days when women had to make a choice - either a career or a family. Most chose a family so there were very few "career women" and they weren't always portrayed in the best light. I think Hillary's done a great job of balancing career and motherhood but she's been very careful to not SEEM to be struggling with it because of her upbringing. Sarah, on the other hand, comes from the generation where it was accepted that a woman could "have it all".
I don't mean this as a criticism of either of them. Notice, I ignored their obvious political differences but I didn't think that was relevant to the topic.
Annie
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Oct 10
I think you may have hit the nail on the head with the middle paragraph (when you got off topic). It seems to me that the best scenario (or at least a very good one) is that a woman is not limited by the culture in what she is able to do, and at the same time she is not pushed by culture into doing something 'just because' or being someone she is not.
I think about a high school girl who wants to play soccer, but her school only has a boy's soccer team. She is committed to soccer and wants to play on the boys team, and the school allows her to do that. At the same time, you do not see a lineup of girls trying to get on the soccer team. That is OK. Both scenarios are OK.
Of course there have been plenty of examples in history and throughout the world that are nothing like I have described here. Women in America can be grateful.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
6 Nov 10
We are all surrounded by culture. We not only help bring that culture about, but we are also influenced and sometimes changed by it. Culture changes with time.
So I suspect in your area that the presence of a girl on the football team is not a shocker for most people. They have seen it before and it has worked. Playing football and being homecoming queen - now that is a conversation starter!
Congratulations on your granddaughter's rise to royalty, but I guess there are term limits to deal with. Hope that was not a bummer for her!
Now, if you asked me (and you didn't) if I would let my daughter play on the boys football team, well...
First of all, if that is her desire and I know my daughter at all, then I would suspect it would not be a total surprise. After I remind my self that things have changed a lot in the last 50 years, then I might consider how important this is to her, what is the purpose and goal, and how will she deal with associated issues.
I might very well let her, but I am a big fan of acknowledging and celebrating the differences between male and female, so this comment would get way too long.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Nov 10
Thanks so much for the BR! It's especially appreciated since it comes from you, knowing how we disagree on many political issues!
Here's something I think is a great sign of the times; in my area there were at least two girls who played football and were also voted homecoming queen. One was from a local high school and the other was from our local midget football league. My granddaughter was last year's queen so she was the one to crown the latter.
Annie
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
19 Oct 10
Feminism in its purest form or feminism as it is now, tainted by the aroma of political elitism and blinded by the lure of money rather than the defense of women in general?
Feminism in its purest form (not political ideology) would have to be Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton. Not because of their politics but by what they personally have accomplished (whether you agree with it or not). Feminism in its purest form states that the Woman can have a man's job and still have a family. That there is no limitations on what she can do.
Frankly, I don't know that much about Christine O'Donnell other than what is seen on t.v. She's not on my particular candidate list. Sharron Angle, while some may argue she fits the second definition, doesn't quite fit in with the extreme, liberalism, feminism point of view that spews more hatred than it does aid women. (Still at this point anyone is better than Harry Reid.)
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
20 Oct 10
Yes, I understand. A liberated woman can have it all do it all. I think there is also a higher plane for women. They can have it all, or they can choose to focus their energy on one part or another. Different choices for different women, but all equal in importance and worthy of respect.