I've noticed some changes in the last couple of years

@dragon54u (31634)
United States
October 31, 2010 9:46am CST
There are more and more babies being brought out by their parents on trick or treat night. Babies in arms, in strollers and toddling along down the sidewalk. Babies who are in tears because they are so tired, cold or just want to go home. Of course, a lot of them are smiling and seem to be enjoying themselves and the parents are having fun, too. But it used to be that babies stayed at home until they were at least in kindergarten and able to understand a little of what the holiday is all about. Parents just seem to rush things in the past few years, involving their children in age-inappropriate activities that many of them don't enjoy or are confused about. I didn't take my children out on Halloween till they were in first grade. What do you think? Do you agree with taking very young children out trick or treating or should parents wait until the children can truly enjoy the night? I think they are doing it for themselves more than the child in most cases.
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@hofferp (4734)
• United States
31 Oct 10
In some cases, the babies are coming along because the parents are escorting other children. But, for the most part, I'm with you. Really young children should probably stay home with one of the parents. I guess I started trick or treating when I was about 4, when I could run and keep up with my older brother.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I was too much of a scaredy-cat at 4, I remember my first time as being in second grade. It was cold last night, too, and a lot of the very young children had runny noses and a few were shivering. I think those were the ones that were miserable. Lots of them were having a good time, others didn't know what to think of it all. Parents push things too much--I was proud of myself when my mom finally let me go with my brother to beg. If I'd been doing it all my life it would not have been a milestone that I remember. There are no milestones anymore--nothing is reserved for certain levels of maturity. I think that is a real shame.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
My mom made ours. My first Halloween I used an old torn sheet to be a ghost and my brother was a bum. We never bought costumes. My mom was a good seamstress and made us some really neat costumes from scraps--we were poor like you but we never realized it!
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
31 Oct 10
Did I forget to tell you, my brother had to have my hand and drag me...while I was running to keep up? And I remember my costume(s), because it was always the same. We decorated brown paper garbage bags; cut out the eyes, nose, mouth...we were too poor to actually buy costumes.
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@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
1 Nov 10
I agree. I think its because those, so called adults, are not grown up themselves and still want to go trick or treating themselves and use their infants as an excuse to go again.
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@ElicBxn (63643)
• United States
1 Nov 10
I agree that its fun, but when an infant doesn't understand what is going on, who's having the fun then? ain't the baby.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Nov 10
Well, it IS fun! The last time I trick or treated was when I was 40 and my boys were 6 and 7. I always went with them till they were about 14 and went with friends. They stopped altogether around age 15.
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@mentalward (14690)
• United States
2 Nov 10
They're probably doing it to show off their baby's costume. I've never done that and would never think of doing it. The babies don't understand what's going on and, chances are, they won't be allowed to eat the candy anyway. When my first son was 1 1/2 years old, I made a little bat costume for him. I painted a black nose on his face, with whiskers. The costume had a black cape (the "wings") with a hood with ears. He was adorable! I made the costume because I had a friend who had a baby within a week of my having mine and she was having a party for the little ones, all of whom were in costume, mostly for the parents, of course. After the party, I took my son over to my parents' apartment, had him stand at the front door, rang the bell and hid over on the side so when they opened the door it was just my son standing there in his little bat costume. I said, "tick or teet" since he wasn't about to say anything. It just about had my parents in tears. They thought that was so adorable! But, they were the only places we went and I wouldn't call it trick or treating since no candy was handed out. My kids "officially" started trick or treating about the age of 4 or 5. Before then, it was parties only. Hmm, I know I have some pictures of him in his little bat costume somewhere around here. I'll look for them tomorrow and post one here if I can find them.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
2 Nov 10
I would love to see that picture! "Age appropriate" is a phrase that parents these days seem to have forgotten. I did enjoy the costumes but I didn't enjoy seeing the little ones that obviously would rather have been home.
@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I probably should have just passed this one up!!! But I'm feeling the urge to put in my 2 cents worth!!!! YES, parents are ruining children & then complain they can't do anything with them!!! I think that if a child can NOT walk or talk then they should STAY AT HOME!!!! The parents that take out infants are doing it for the SELF-gratification of hearing everybody say "AWWWW isn't that just precious?" Well, they DON'T mean it & are just being polite!!! Of course, I know my thoughts are not popular with most of the Mothers here; but do I give a hoot??? NOPE!!! When I've said in other discussions that Mothers should stay home with their children until they get old enough to be sociable, I've dayum near been strung up. One Mother informed me that it was "her right" to go out & she couldn't afford a babysitter so she "had" to take the child with her. EXCUUUUUSE ME??? I'm sorry, that child did NOT ask to be born. More than likely that child did NOT ask to go out!!! I know I'm older than dirt, but my Mom NEVER hired a babysitter & she CHOSE to stay home with us out of consideration for others. She & my Dad NEVER went to a movie theater because she knew that she could NOT control our crying. Instead she opted to go to a drive-in movie where she could roll up the car windows & only the people in our car were disturbed. She NEVER took us out to eat...opting to actually COOK!!! I was in Wal~mart one night at 1:00am & the lady in front of me was carrying a newborn that was screaming at the top of his lungs. She was whining that he was getting on her last nerve. I asked her why the hell she didn't have him at home sleeping in his crib like he should be. She told me it was none of my freaking business. She was right as it was none of my business...UNTIL she brought him into my space when he should have been home sleeping!!! In my opinion, she was committing child abuse!!!! I have a friend with 3 children under 5 years old. She stays broke & whines constantly about not having any money & not enough food for the children. Yet, come Christmas she spends a small fortune to buy those kids Santa. The youngest one isn't even old enough to know what Santa is!!! So why not buy her FOOD in place of toys??? I'm sure she'd be a LOT happier & not cry most of the time from being hungry!!!! When we were young, my Dad took me out for Halloween. My brother was 3 years younger than me & scared of his own shadow; so, my Mom kept him at home until he asked to be able to go. She explained to him that it would probably be scary & it wasn't just collecting candy. When I got home, I SHARED my bag of goodies with him until he got old enough to go out & enjoy all the goblins!!! The other thing my Mom did was... She'd take us shopping with her & if we asked her to buy us something specific, she ALWAYS said NO. Then if we behaved, once we got to the car, she'd leave us with our Dad,go back & buy whatever we had asked for. She'd hide it for a couple of days & give it to us for being good on whatever day she decided we had earned it. That way we never associated shopping with her as our "right" to get a gift!!! She did NOT put up with whining either as she'd send us to the car real quick!!! It didn't take long before we realized that whining meant sitting in the car with Dad & he was NO fun!!! Just so I don't make her sound like the Wicked Witch of the West, she LOVED us very much & ONLY did what was necessary to make us grow up to be polite & sociable!!!! Giving a child EVERYTHING they want is NOT necessarily what is best for them!!! Sometimes saying NO is the appropriate answer!!!
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
Your mom loved you very much to raise you like that--your mom was a lot like mine. Loving but firm. You and I are on the same wavelength when it comes to raising kids. When my husband and I were talking about a family we decided I would stay home and raise the children, otherwise we would not have any. I didn't take my kids out on Halloween till they were 5 and 6 and I would take them to fast food places occasionally after they were 4 and 5--once they learned to behave there (and we left plenty of times!) I took them to more formal places. You get the idea--I'm old fashioned. I'm proud of the adults my boys have become! I think that once you have children you put your own life on hold for the next 18-20 years. You have plenty of time after that for self-gratification. I'm so glad you chimed in!! It's nice to find someone who shares my views of child raising. Oh, and by the way, I was not being fake when I said "oh, how CUTE!!"--those babies were adorable. I just wish they'd leave the really young ones at home and take the others home when they are tired!
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@LadyMarissa (12148)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I ALWAYS knew my Mom loved me very much. I understood that she loved me even MORE when she said NO. I find it unhealthy to give a child everything they want!!! I grew up NOT having everything I wanted; but, I must admit, I had everything I NEEDED!!!! I was in Burger King one day & a woman with a child who didn't even have teeth yet looked at me & said "He'll ONLY eat BK's French Fries." I looked at her & asked "Who put the first one in his mouth???" I'm pretty sure he didn't just get up one day & walk down to BK & order fries!!! One Dad in Kmart was putting shoes on his 2 year old & she was crying. I walked around the corner & started talking to her in hopes she'd hush. He looked at me & said "She's crying because she'll only wear Nikes & I can't afford them today." My God, that child was ONLY 2 years old & couldn't even talk good yet. I doubt that she knew a Nike from a Keds!!!! HE only wanted to put Nikes on her!!!! When she was only 3, my niece would only eat Wendy's Chicken Nuggets. Her Mom would cook dinner for the family & have her Dad bring home the trash for the child to eat. Then she wondered WHY the child didn't eat well??? My step daughter didn't eat well for her Mom, but she ate for me because I'd give her until everybody else had finished eating & I washed her plate. when she'd ask for a snack I'd tell her NO. She whined that she was hungry & I'd tell her she should have eaten what was on her plate. It didn't take her long to figure out that she had best eat at my house. Her Mom would fill her up on junk & wonder why she didn't eat the healthy stuff. Taking young children out to eat is another of my pet peeves!!!! I understand you can't control every noise they make, but you don't have to let them continue to disrupt others either. I find that VERY disrespectful of the "adult" NOT the child!!!! I've noticed that infants start training their parents just as soon as they pop out of the womb & it is the PARENT'S job to stop them & train the child!!!! I think the little ones dressed up in costume are cute as a button when they're happy, but I've NEVER heard a 6 month old say "I want to go Trick or Treating Mom."
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@jesssp (2712)
• Canada
2 Nov 10
We got a grand total of SIX trick or treaters this year, but out of the six the youngest was probably 3 and super adorable. I think it may have been his first house and quite possibly his first year trick or treating, his eyes were wide and he looked slightly terrified, lol. He had 2 older siblings with him though, and parents waiting at the end of the drive way. My sister has a two year old boy and a three month old girl. They dressed their son up as a cow (or a 'moo' as he calls them) and took him around to all their friends and relatives places and a few other houses. I think that's a good way to do it. They dressed the baby up too but she was just along for the ride, not trick or treating. It was fun and not too much for the little guy. Although he was a little confused why they kept going to these houses and he couldn't go inside to visit! I think you're right though, and I have noticed it. People seem to have this need to rush EVERYTHING. I see why a parent would look forward to Halloween with their kids but there will be enough cold, windy or even SNOWY October 31st's they will get to spend freezing their limbs off waiting for their eager children to finish trick or treating. I say enjoy the years where you can just dress them up in adorable costumes and stay in your warm house handing out the candy!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
2 Nov 10
That's a good way to do it, just a few houses the first year and ones your child is familiar with. I guess it could be rather scarey to a very small child. I read a book when my oldest was about 4 years old, The Hurried Child by David Elkind. It really opened my eyes to the damage we can do to a child when we deny them milestone activities and open up everything to them at any time or push them to be more independent than they are naturally ready to be.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I was an only child until I was 4, and my parents used to show me pictures of all the MANY Christmas presents I used to get before they had 2 more kids and went completely broke to the point they couldn't even afford a tree. I know it's totally selfish, but I really wanted the good Christmas when I was old enough to remember it! The earliest Halloween I can remember is in like 4th grade. I was a vampire and had the cape, fake blood, slick hair, white makeup, etc. I can't remember before then. But... From the pictures I seen of my lucrative Christmas years, I was really enjoying myself with my Incredible Hulk toybox, talking ALF doll, Superman PJs, etc. I would guess that babies, even though they probably don't grasp what's going on, can still pick up on it being enjoyable and get a few laughs out on Halloween. But I agree that parents are doing it for themselves - like taking those little cry machines to the movies with them. What's your baby doing watching the Tom Cruise flick, lady!? Put a plug in that thing, will ya. I see younger mothers with their babies out EVERYWHERE! It's like a fashion accessory. I should run to the store to buy some good parenting pamphlets to hand out instead of candy if anyone decides to bring their babies to my crib.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
Parenting pamphlets!! I wonder if they'd do any good? You're right, babies are a accessories to some people, it's sad. We used to leave our children at home with sitters way back in prehistoric days when I was a child. I wish that trend would return! I think my first Halloween was when I was in second grade, I went with my brother as a ghost and he was a bum--nobody bought costumes then, our moms made them. It was great! I don't remember any kids back then that were younger than second grade, the night was for school-aged children and anyone over 14 would be embarrassed to do something so baby-ish!
• United States
31 Oct 10
I think they'd do well if they were dumbed down for this generation (even though it's still probably technically my generation lol). October nights make baby cold. Tootsie Rolls require teeth. Don't carry baby in candy bag. Pumpkins are not diaper bins. Baby doesn't need a Michael Myers mask. Just some stuff like that may help.
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@primeaque86 (8108)
• Philippines
1 Nov 10
When you say some babies are already crying or in tears, any difference? Because they were very tired, or hungry, or sleepy, then obviously they were not enjoying. I agree with your point that babies should not be a part of hallooween party until they can truly enjoy the celebration/event. You know, those babies might be scared, oh yes, and those mothers might just ignore them because they themselves enjoy the party much. I hope they didnt forget they have their babies with them...
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Nov 10
Here in the U.S. children are mistreated. They don't call it that but it is, still. They are dragged around everywhere and their naptimes and mealtimes are ignored if they are an inconvenience to the parents. They run wild in stores while their mothers shop, stay up till after midnight on school nights and then can't do well in school the next day--there is no discipline, it's too much trouble and inconvenient for parents. Not all parents are this way but enough so that our youth are suffering and our children are unhealthy. This Halloween really brought this home to me, the disregard of parents for their children. Of course, there were children who were enjoying it. But the youngest of them should have been at home.
• United States
31 Oct 10
If the kids are not old enough to walk & say "trick or treat" for themselves then no they should be left home to pass out the candy. I don't get many trick or treaters here but my IL"s do and man it takes ballz to knock on someones door & ask for a treat as an adult and point to the baby in the WTH?!?! The infant clearly can't eat that candy! Now the only time I agree with this is if there are older siblings with and the lil ones come along but don't beg for an infant when they can't walk up the steps to get the candy or even slightly say trick or treat. I know I didn't really take my oldest til she was 3-4ish.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
I remember being little and helping Mom hand out candy. It was fun and I was really looking forward to being big enough to go out with my brother! Sadly, no one believes in milestone activities anymore and kids are left with nothing to look forward to. I got at least 400 kids last night--I love handing out candy!
@bellis716 (4799)
• United States
1 Nov 10
I agree that it is ridiculous to put a costume on a baby and parade them around the neighborhood. A news-anchor on a local TV station remarked that he was going to go home and TRY to get a bumble bee costume on his 1 year old son. Everyone wished him luck. I believe that 1 is too young, but I would send a 3 year old trick or treating, especially if there are older siblings who are going. One possible reason for taking a child younger then three is if you need to chaperon older siblings, and there is no one with whom to leave the baby.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Nov 10
I understand and sympathize with those that have no babysitters or relatives to care for younger children. It's acceptable in that case. But, like the newsperson you cited, so many people are rushing an age-inappropriate activity on a child not ready for it. We do a lot of that here in the U.S.--hurry up and grow up!
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
31 Oct 10
well, i did that once with my 9mths old daughter and she caught an awful cold, way back when, shes 37 now. anyway, i had no one to watch her. so i took her with us. my other 3 were all over 6 yrs. sometimes i wonder if they just didnt have anyone to watch the youngest? i never did it again, under 6 yrs. learned my lesson.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
Many of these were young parents with just one child. As long as the child isn't upset or crying, I don't mind at all. It's seeing children that would rather be at home that bothers me. And I know some parents had nobody to leave the youngest with so had to take them out with the other children. I just think that, when possible, begging should be left as something to look forward to when you're old enough. Children have nothing to strive for anymore, they're allowed to do everything at any age. I like Halloween, anyway. I have a blast handing out the candy!
@trisha27 (3494)
• United States
1 Nov 10
I agree that parents should wait until they're children are a bit older to understand what is going on. At least until they are old enough to eat the candy. I mean what is the whole point of bringing a baby house to house to get candy that they can't eat. Unless its the parents that are wanting the candy and are using the kids for the candy. I totally agree that parents should wait until they are old enough to have the understanding of what trick or treating is all about. I would think that instead of most parents bringing they're babies out to go trick or treating, that they should still dress them up and have them help pass out the candy. At least the toddlers help.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Nov 10
I helped pass out candy till I was 7, looking forward to when I could go out myself. It was a great day when my mom asked me what costume I wanted her to make for me, for my first begging night! I had some very, very small pieces of chocolate candy that I reserved for small children who shouldn't have been out. Their parents can't have gotten much out of that!
• Canada
31 Oct 10
If they want to go and are old enough to understand what's going on then they should be able to go. However if they're in tears leave them at home. I know we took my 3 year old cousin out for Halloween and he loved it.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
31 Oct 10
Some children that young do love it. There was a little boy about 18 months old that was obviously enchanted by the whole thing, laughing and cheerful. So many others, though, were tired and cranky. It depends on the child. But I do think parents rush things these days, making everything less special. There are no longer any milestones to strive for, everything is done so young.
• India
1 Nov 10
i agree with you i toooooo have obsereved the environment near by
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