Was John Stewarts "Rally to Restore Sanity" an abysmal failure?
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
November 1, 2010 8:33pm CST
I was really saddened to see what a debacle it became. John Stewart had a clear and concise message. He illustrated it both through common sense and through humor suggesting signs like "I disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler". What he got was a bunch of left wing morons carrying around signs calling Bush, Glenn Beck, Palin, and others Hitler. Naturally there were disgusting anti-tea party signs, anti-Fox News signs, anti-Christian signs, andthe people who were there just to say "legalize pot".
Now I wasn't there and it's quite possible that the videos showcasing these morons are no more representative than the ones that focus on the minuscule number of racists at tea parties. It's just sad that there were this many morons who literally felt that this was the place to do the exact opposite of what John Stewart wanted at this rally, and nobody seemed to mind because over 80% of the crowd votes democrat.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/31/poll-only-one-percent-of-stewart-ralliers-plan-to-vote-republican/
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rally-restore-sanity-brings-out-largely
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMHLc8PMIo&feature=player_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf6RKYePFQY&feature=related
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Yeah, it was pretty much a failure, as well as a pathetic attempt to help the democrats prop up their really bad poll numbers.
What I think is really funny though, is the mistaken idea that Hitler was a member of the political right, when the reality is that he was a leftist... a National Socialist.
Fascism and socialism are both products of the leftists, as is progressive, Nazi, Statist, Liberal, and any of the other euphemisms that the lefties love to use, which includes Communism.
It always amazes me when people make such a basic mistake in the area of politics and history... it's like they don't even know what it is that they themselves are actually supporting, and are in denial.
It is a lot more accurate to portray 0bama as Hitler than it is to portray anyone on the right that way.
Here are a couple of articles I just received on the whole Stewart debacle...
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/stewart-fails-to-deliver-sanity/
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/11/01/morning-bell-solutions-for-sanity/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
3 Nov 10
You use Wikipedia as a source? Nobody, but nobody considers that to be an accurate source because it is user generated.
In America, things are a bit different than in the UK. At least that is what one of your countrymen has claimed in the past. This is why foreigners should avoid discussing US politics.
Here, the right stands for less government, and the extreme right is for anarchy... or no government. As such, Fascism cannot possibly be a product of the right, as the right would never support it.
Here, the left is for more government control of the people, not less.
Try this link, you might actually learn something, and also correct the errors in your thinking.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
"As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer."
"Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left."
You are both right and wrong... somebody is making a mistake, that would be you... in all cases it IS those leftists that i am referring to.
@jb78000 (15139)
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2 Nov 10
Fascism (pronounced /'fæ??z?m/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2][3][4] Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[5][6] Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s.[7][8] Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.[9][10][11][12][13][14]
[wikipedia]
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
2 Nov 10
80% of the crowd were Democratic voters opposed to the vast majority that attended Beck's restoring honor rally that will vote Republican. Let's just use an educated guess here shall we, can we safely say that no one who attended Beck religious rally will be voting Democratic this year. As to the morons at the rally to restore sanity opposed to the morons that attended Beck's restoring honor I will take Stewart's' morons over Beck's morons any day.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Nov 10
I don't doubt that Beck drew a largely republican crowd, but the party of the attendees was more of a sidenote and you've completely missed the point.
Stewart had a clear goal of ending all the Hitler and hatred crap and it really looks like that failed. I don't care about simple morons or stupid people that attended, my issue is with all the hatred at this rally by those in attendance including a sign portraying a Jewish republican, Eric Cantor, as Hitler.
One thing I also found particularly disturbing, if true, was this claim that Comedy Central tried to prohibit filming and limit media covering the event.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/rally-to-resore-sanity-pledges-to-strictly-prohibit-filming-at-national-mall-106355893.html
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Taskr, I disagree, from what most of us were told it WAS a political rally. I do believe that he choose that morning which way he wanted to take it. If he would have told people that it wouldn't be a political rally then more people would have shown up.
Were you upset by the hatred at the Beck rally? I don't care what you do, you are going to get the crazies on both sides. One group isn't worse then the other, they are both bad for this country.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Nov 10
From what I get the debacle was in the crowd, not on the stage. It's sad that so many in the crowd were so busy making it about themselves that they missed out on what the event was all about in the first place.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Really, only 80% of the crowd votes Democrat? As opposed to what, 99.9999% of the Beck rally crowd that votes Republican?
Politics weren't even mentioned other than in the clips from both liberal and conservative news outlets. I'm sure there were some people there with offensive signs but I don't think it was that many, at least not from what I could see during the TV broadcast. There were some humorous and satirical signs some may have taken to be "anti" -Palin, Bush, tea party or whatever but I honestly didn't see anything offensive. Like I said, I'm not saying there were NONE there.
I'd say it was far from "an abysmal failure". The crowd looked considerably bigger than Beck's crowd, for one thing. It was positive and uplifting and not divisive and hate and fear-mongering. Jon's speech at the end was one of the best I've ever heard.
Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Of course I "made the numbers up" but I think it's safe to call it an "educated guess". We all know any Glenn Beck rally would be a primarily right-wing rally, since when is that a secret? What poll do you have to show over 80% at the Stewart rally vote Democrat since it wasn't even political? For your information, I didn't watch it on any news channel, I watched it on Comedy Central. NO, I didn't look at your right-wing links because I knew they'd be biased if they were even authentic.
What part of the "Restoring Honor" rally was divisive with hate and fear-mongering? THE PARTS WHEN GLENN BECK WAS THERE!
Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Nov 10
The poll was conducted by Lake Research Partners and Revolution Messaging and showed that 86% of the people there voted Democrat.
I think it's safe to call it an "educated guess".
Did you refer to polls conducted on audience members at past rallies like this attended by Beck? For it to be an "educated guess" you would need some preexisting knowledge about the percentage of republican voters in crowds at rallies that he runs which are intended to be non-partisan. Otherwise it's simply an assumption.
"What part of the "Restoring Honor" rally was divisive with hate and fear-mongering? THE PARTS WHEN GLENN BECK WAS THERE!"
Then simply show me the divisive and fear mongering behavior that he showed at that rally. Surely if it was so divisive you should have clear proof of this.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Taskr, you have told me many times that you will get wackos in every group, especially a political rally. At both Glenn Beck's rally, and Stewart's rally there were wackos, but I don't think that it made either them a failure. I have no problem with you highlighting these idiots, because if we don't highlight them then we can't single them out, and oppose their hate.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Nov 10
I had genuinely hoped that people would at least come together on the idea that rampant hatred and accusations of Nazi-ism doesn't improve things. John Stewart clearly illustrated what he wanted with both humor and common sense. You'd think people would get it when he held up a big sign saying "I may disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler". I do think that was the most brilliant sign.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Taskr, we as Americans need to draw a line between civil discourse, and uncivil discourse. The problem is that there are groups on both sides that make money off of the uncivil discourse, and they encourage it. The problem is that we can't come together as a country on ANYTHING!!
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Morons show up all over the place. I can't judge the entire crowd by a few people thinking that it's racist and stupid to draw a Hitler mustache on Obama but actually patriotic to draw one on Bush. Crap like that is just crap like that.
But I'm wondering...
Will organizations out there "study" the crowd and complete reports about these attendees being radical? Will MSM take a few signs and attribute those leanings to the entire rally? Will morons from this rally be treated like morons at all, or will they be completely and utterly ignored?
That might as well be a rhetorical question, since I already know the answer.
I'm torn on Jon Stewart in general. I see a guy who really, really wants to matter in America as a political guy (in some form or fashion) but always has that perfect "I'm a comedian!" out. At least guys like Bill Maher let go of one to pick up the other (not that I'm comparing the two in terms of view; Maher is a complete lunatic).
So while his message may have been a little more middle-of-the-road than he is as a person, I think you get the type of audience you warrant.
Your audience, without any spin or any out-of-context reporting or number tweaking, tells the tale of exactly who you are (the few morons not included, as they'll always show up for their free lunch).
In my opinion, Stewart took himself a little too seriously in thinking he could appeal to moderates by putting on a moderate front. So the primary audience was liberal and will always be for any type of event he tries to hold. It's just who he is.
I can't mention anything about Colbert, because he's more like an Andy Kaufman type from what I can tell.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Certainly. But these plenty of others are what they are and pay that price.
MSM sees to it that they pay that price on every open occasion.
So, if you're trying to draw some comparison here (which I'm not saying you are; I don't know what your point is, truthfully, beyond just stating it ), it doesn't exactly hold up.
The plenty of others who would take a sign and paint the entire audience the same have no platform like MSM have when they do that to administration dissenters; most have no credibility and really no sway, either, unlike MSM.
I expect--I think everyone expects--the fringe folk to paint the entire audience as we-hate-Bush-Hitler-Satan-Beck morons.
Whereas with most MSM, I'm still a little bit shocked (very little at this point, though) when they show one "What you talkin' 'bout, Willis?" sign and claim 50% of America is a giant racist redneck.
@jb78000 (15139)
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2 Nov 10
isn't fox the opposite number? what is their coverage suggesting? if it isn't that the attendees were all potsmoking hippies with bees in their bonnet about the teaparty and a complete misunderstanding of what hitler was then i'd be a bit surprised actually.
by the way your 50% number is out. maybe not racist but i *know* that 98% of america is guncrazed rednecks with bibles in one hand and ouzis in the other. [yes i know that sentence didn't scan properly, call it a gift].
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@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
3 Nov 10
Well, it could have been better. Honestly, I don't like Fox either, so the anti-Fox signs didn't matter to me. I don't like the Tea Party, so that wasn't a big deal either. I am not Christian, so again, don't care about the anti-Christian signs, and as for "legalizing pot", well, Prop 19 got shot down in California yesterday, so it's quite clear that that bill "went up in smoke" (pardon the pun), and the majority of people don't want pot legalized.
Stewart should have been more clear on what he wanted at this rally because he should have known that he would get people like that out there.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
2 Nov 10
It was such a shame that it seems as if most the people attending the rally were truly insane. Perhaps they should all be herded into an insane asylum for some serious help before they drive the sane people nuts!
I think it is pretty obvious that the people who defend and applaud everything that Obama and his minions do to destroy our country need some psychiatric help to see what is really happening to the USA.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
3 Nov 10
nodebater...There you go again with the Daily Kos and Moveon talking points.
Bush didn't destroy our economy. At the end of fiscal year 2006, our economy was doing just fine...at the end of fiscal 2007, just one year later, our economy was in serious trouble.
It is no coincidence that the economy went bad as soon as the democrats took Congress.
Bush tried to protect our country, and did a pretty good job of it too... despite the goals of the Muslims, and despite the anti-American actions of the democratic Congress who opposed everything that he tried to do.
Both Bush and McCain on several different occasions tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie, and the democrats prevented that, with Bawney Fwank gong so far as to say there was no danger of them collapsing. Well, they both collapsed and we all know the results of that.
Bush didn't destroy the economy... the democrats did... and then they piled massive spending on top of it, compounding the problem.
As for someone actively trying to destroy our country, you need look no further than Pelosi, Reid, and the current occupier of the White House.
Try your revisionist history somewhere else.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Funny, I thought the same thing of Bush supporters. Of course, he actually DID destroy our economy, and sure tried to destroy our country.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
2 Nov 10
I think the organizers had more integrity than many of those who attended. But if the rally was not meant to be anything more than a big party, it mostly succeeded. Let's face it, if Arianna Huffington is going to provide free transportation and you're going to get to see Stewart, Colbert, Ozzy, etc.. why not go for fun and music and a big party on the mall?
There were those who seemed to think it was an anti-Republican rally and I found the poster with the photo of Eric Cantor, who is Jewish, with a Hitler mustache drawn on his face to be really offensive. It shows the lack of real understanding of politics and the issues on the part of many of those who attended. Again, some came for the party.
Jon Stewart is very serious about his politics and he's definitely a hard-left liberal. But Stewart doesn't give everyone on the left a pass simply because they are on the left. He calls out the morons on both sides and pokes fun at those who behave in ridiculous ways regardless of their affiliations. I disagree with him politically, but I think he is a man of integrity and reason.
If the Democrats felt this was going to boost their chances of getting young voters out, I am not sure they will find that is the case. Basically, if they were going to vote before the rally, they still will. I am not sure that the rally is going to get the partiers out to vote, they probably aren't even registered.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
2 Nov 10
Your assessment of John Stewart makes me think that I will be more open to what he says. Really, I do not know whate he is about. I would be amazaed to know of one liberal that can avoid hateful bashing of the other side.