Squatting - what is your opinion?
By oldchem1
@oldchem1 (8132)
November 8, 2010 3:10am CST
The UK Government's Housing Minister - Grant Shapps - has said that squatting is "anti-social, undesirable and unfair" .
At the moment squatting is a crime and a civil offence in Scotland but in England, Wales and Northern Ireland it is NOT a crime just a civil offence.
It seems that squatting is getting to be practised more and more.
What is your opinion on it?
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7 responses
@Memnon (2170)
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9 Nov 10
I would like to see it criminalised. Admittedly, many of these properties have been abandoned, but many more are awaiting redevelopment etc. and these people are delaying this: often preventing others who are following legitimate channels to find accommodation, from getting it.
Too many people in the UK seem to have the attitude that they deserve something for nothing. Well, it's paid for somehow. Usually by me! And I'm not earning the so-called average wage. Indeed- the new benefit ceiling (£500 nett- £650 gross)is above my earnings.
@oldchem1 (8132)
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9 Nov 10
I know exactly what you mean - we are in the same boat as is my daughter and her husband, they live hand to mouth and have a new baby daughter - her husband works around 60 -70 hours a week and brings home a pittance - but I guess as a fellow security guard I preach to the converted!!
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@oldchem1 (8132)
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9 Nov 10
Get's me so annoyed
Steph and Sean are just now entitled to Child Tax Credit because of the baby, but even on his small income they don't get Working Tax Credits so Sean still has to pay for prescriptions and everything.
They would actually be better off if he gave up work, but he is not the sort of person to do that!
I don't have much myself, my hubby and I are retired, but I am always helping them out where I can.The system here is SO wrong!
@Memnon (2170)
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9 Nov 10
Spot on with the ID. At a previous site one of the engineering team, earning the same as me but 35 hour week (wife & baby), asked his parents to make them homeless so that they could get priority on housing.
OK, we are a DINK(Y) couple (my partner has a grown up son), having taken out a mortgage in 'later life' so payments are steeper, but at that time we were paying £900ish mortgage.
His parents are sitting in a half million home with ample space, but has the gall to queue jump others!
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
9 Nov 10
Hi OldChem,
I really don't know a whole lot about squatters but I am thinking that from what little I've read on them that they are basically homeless people and this is how they survive? They are just doing whatever they can to get by. If that is the case then I don't see it as a crime but rather a sad situation. I'm guessing their living conditions are substandard at best? I guess I would have to know a little more about them to understand why they would be considered criminal. I understand that they are setting up in properties that don't belong to them and not paying rent but it's been my understanding that these are generally buildings that are vacant and unfit? Am I wrong?
@oldchem1 (8132)
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9 Nov 10
It is VERY sad, and when the buildings are ones that have been left unattended it is fully understandable, but then we read cases like this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1314169/Pensioner-takes-dogs-walk-returns-family-living-home.html
were an elderly man went out to take his dog for a walk and when he came back Lithuanian squatters had taken over the house and changed the locks!
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
9 Nov 10
Wow~ What a creepy story. Whats even creepier is that the police didn't do anything about it and called it a civil matter. It seems that they could have been a little more aggressive in handling the matter. This man should not have been forced out of his home
@3SnuggleBunnies (16374)
• United States
8 Nov 10
In recent months there's been a celebrity and his spouse who've been accused of Squatting. http://blogs.findlaw.com/celebrity_justice/2010/09/randy-quaid-arrest-found-squatting-with-wife.html I guess times are tough for B list celeb's too! And yes it is illegal and from the sounds of it they probably couldn't even afford to pay rent anywhere.
@hvedra (1619)
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8 Nov 10
There are some cases of squatting for extortion or where people have taken over someone's home and trashed it. Whilst the squatting itself is a civil offence (now there's a contradiction in terms!), many of the activities associated with it such as breaking and entering, criminal damage, theft, etc are not. When the police say "we are powerless" this isn't actually the case.
However, there are quite a number or squatters who squat because they are desperate and as a form of political and social protest. These people take over large properties in rich areas that have been left empty, sometimes for years.
@veganbliss (3895)
• Adelaide, Australia
4 Dec 10
I guess you know the story of what happened in Australia. These days, it's unheard of. Back in the earlier years before laws could be properly established & firmly enforced, squatting was practiced by big landowners who became very wealthy as a result. It was almost impossible for authorities to forcibly remove squatters & would have been a waste of their time to do so. The country needed settlers at the time, so also couldn't discourage them. Squatters in those early years also had to defend themselves against native attacks. I'm not trying to defend squatters, on the contrary. My forefathers settled in South Australia as free selectors who paid a premium price for their poor quality land. Squatters were very much looked down upon for their stolen wealth for generations. They had amassed vast fortunes over the generations & invested it very well, both in their own education & their many estates, family, etc. No-one else could compete with them. They influenced government policies, war efforts, trade policies, town development & opened up Australia in a decentralized, but well-organized fashion.
That being said, & you may also have your own take on the matter, but I can't make up my mind one way or the other. The squatters here were not poor people to begin with & had big plans for their future. So the situation here is entirely different. Hopefully England will develop a creative & acceptable response to the issue.
@oldchem1 (8132)
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4 Dec 10
I have read something about this part of Australian history, it was at this time I believe that many fortunes were made!
Asyou say the squatting that is going on here is a completely different situation - many of the squatters are homeless but many are just causing problems for the sake of it.
@devijay78 (1573)
• India
8 Nov 10
This happens a lot in India, oldchem. But more with vacant lands than buildings. Mostly, people buy vacant lands and keep them without doing any construction. If it lies like that for some time without anybody taking care of it or constructing any building, then there are people who put up a hut or a temporary structure and claim the land as theirs even though the documents are in your name. Evicting them would be a big process making you spend time, money and effort by going to the court or opting for paying them to vacate.
There are unscrupulous people who do this as a business itself! So, we always have to be careful when we buy vacant lands here. Even though it is illegal, people still do it and create trouble for the land owners.
@devijay78 (1573)
• India
9 Nov 10
Yes, it is oldchem! It sometimes happens when you own a piece of land and do not take care of it properly or keep an eye on it, visiting the place every now and then. But buying a flat or an apartment is a better investment than buying vacant land. So now most of them at the cities, do go in for apartments.
And these people who occupy vacant lands are mostly well off and not homeless bodies. They do this for a quick buck and will trouble us till they get either the land or some money as settlement to vacate!
@lipstick2009 (1236)
• Philippines
8 Nov 10
Well sadly, i am in a place where squatting is becoming a business nowadays.Some people would try to squat on a place and when they are already quite settled, as a squatter, they have their place for rent.And some would migrate to the big city and find a place where they can stay, through squatting. I think squatting is related to poverty and is a social problem.
Many demolitions have been violent and has cost lives, and in the end,its just hard to figure out whose responsible for such bad incidents.
@oldchem1 (8132)
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8 Nov 10
I think it is a very emotive subject, as you say it is very much related to poverty and homelessness.
I can understand the thoughts that homeless people must have when they see properties that are not used laying shut up, but then you have to think of the rights of the owners too.