Is it possible for Science and Religion to coexist?
By Andyvil
@Andyvil (793)
Philippines
November 18, 2010 10:09pm CST
I have been watching a lot of documentaries about science and religion and each time I dig deeper I can't help but realize but think about the truth about my religious beliefs. Although I am still a firm believer that there is a creator a supreme being, I am a little skeptical about the teachings about any religious teachings including my own religion. If we look at the teaching on most religion, the story of the creation is totally different from what science has been teaching us. Most of the supreme beings we worship are usually visualized as human like beings. Its hard for me to fathom the idea of the creator looking like a human being. Since I am also a believer that we are not alone in the universe, I can't understand the reason why we humans think that our creator/creators look like us. If that is the case then we are the most special beings in the whole vastness of the universe. If that is the case then aliens who would most likely be more advance then us would definitely have a different creator. As of now the reasonable side of me is in conflict with the faithful side of me. Although I don't consider myself as a atheist since I believe in a Supreme being, I consider myself as of now someone who is not closing my eyes just because my faith asks me to. I consider myself as someone who is open minded and taking the facts into consideration. So whats your point of view in this topic? It really doesn't matter what religion you believe in since we all have the same science.
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22 responses
@calpro (930)
• India
19 Nov 10
Dear Andyvil,
I wish to tell a phrase where I read somewhere. It is like this
[i]Atheist will argue there is no god.
Theist will argue god is the ultimate supreme power.
Genius will say I don't know whether he exists or not but I will continue performing my duties.If he dwells he should be in my good deeds.
[/i]
What I suggest you or what I follow is let us not fry our brain with this thought process. Thank him for what he is giving you, If he exists he will receive your gratitude If not, you lose nothing.
Science is different subject, Science is something like we are learning with our trial and errors. Many experiments by many scientist were first stated in one way and later another scientist proved it in a different way.
So SCIENCE is a Quest, and it continues..
Good luck.
Calpro
@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
Excellent answer calpro, that is also the reason why I still continue to believe in a creator and I still continue to search for reasons that would further enhance my understanding in him and in my existence. Although I never force anyone to listen or follow my points of view, in my religion people aren't so open minded about people like me. That is why I only discuss this on people who are open minded. Anyway thanks for your input Calpro.
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@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
19 Nov 10
Very good answer, kind of diplomatic. However, don't you think as a human being, we have the right to understand each and every thing in our life? This is something that should not be ignored, our life depends upon it, if we do not discuss it, we will not come to know the truth.
E.g. When a child is in class 1 or 2, tables (mathematical) are headache for him. He is supposed to remember it but in general case, he does not. Because he does not know the reason of remembering the tables. However, the same child when grows up (class 11/12 while preparing for engineering exams), he tries to remember most of the tables to make his calculations easy.
That is why, I think, knowing the reason always helps human being to develop and do right things.
Diplomacy is good but sometimes, you need to face the truth. If you are standing at the edge of the well and close your eyes, it will certainly not decrease the depth of the well. In such cases, it is better if you open you eyes and see if you can jump over the well or you should take a step backward and avoid the well.
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@calpro (930)
• India
19 Nov 10
Thank you Andyvil,and I welcome your discussion.
Dear friend dollar,
The examples what you are quoting here about mathematics and tables does not imply with God. I truly believe in the existence of God, but I never debate. Your question is as a human being we have the right to understand each and everything in our life.
You are partially correct, to understand you need to quest,study and put efforts. Do you think we have time to do all these in search of truth and finding whether God exists or not in this materialistic world.
We have responsibilities need to earn for family take care of kids, plan their future etc. It is not diplomacy but I want to make my time for my family and live life. So I don't think of anything which is not inmy hands or which i can afford to attempt.
Anyway it depends on personal interest, Please do not take my post personally. I did not mean to hurt anybody.
Happy Living
Calpro
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@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
19 Nov 10
Even I have the same question with me. Recently, I have read so many documents related to this topic, it's very confusing. There are so many such discussions here in myLot, I would suggest you to search in myLot search box for "God" or "Aliens". You will get a list of discussions and may be the easy answer of your question is somewhere in those discussions. You should also check the following URLs:
www.xfacts.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcrzD0PfyPs
Search in youtube for "God with alien", you will get other videos. Not all the videos are real but some of them are actually good. Let me know what do you "think" after reading other discussions and the comments in this discussions.
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@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
19 Nov 10
Hi Andyvil,
I have replied to a few comments in this discussion, I hope you won't mind it.
If you have any URL related to this topic please mention it here. Thanks!
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
20 Nov 10
There's a verse in the Bible that says in part: My people perish for lack of knowledge.
Since the original definition for the word "science" is, "state or fact of knowing," I see no reason why science and religion cannot coexist, at least in the Christian faith. God wants people to be knowledgeable. The problem Christians have with some scientist, not science, is that they dismiss God and the Bible all together instead of admitting that there had to have been intelligence behind creation. You can still believe in God while at the same time trying to discover how God designed things to work, or the secrets of the universe, etc.
Regarding what God looks like: Having never seen God the Father, we have no idea what He looks like. There are many places in the Bible that refer to Him as "light." When God the Son, Jesus Christ, came to earth, He had to look like a human being so people wouldn't be afraid of Him, so He'd fit in.
@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
22 Nov 10
That is actually a very logical explanation of Jesus taking in a human form. I couldn't imagine how people would react if he looked totally different from any of us. Anyway although I am also a Christian I think that the bible shouldn't be taken literally. There are just a lot of conflicting facts in the bible and in science if it is taken literally. There are just some things in the bible that I can't seem to accept in terms of the literal truth and moral guidelines. Although I've questioned some parts of the bible it doesn't mean that I don't follow the teachings of Christ.
@ybong007 (6643)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
In my opinion there are a lot of people who are just like you, torn between science and their religion. The answer to your question is to dig deeper into your religion and consult people who are expert and be able to provide the answer you've been looking for. Personally, I believe that we are made in the image of our creator. I can't blame you if you believe in aliens and your beliefs are in conflict with that but do aliens really exist? science has no concrete evidence that aliens really exist and although it claimed that there's high likelihood that there are aliens out there considering the vastness of the universe but so far no proof has been yet been presented that there are intelligent being out there.
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@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
As of now I wouldn't want to encounter any intelligent life out there. If ever we encounter another intelligent civilization out there, there is a fat chance that our civilization right now will be wiped out. Anyway I have consulted people who are knowledgeable in my religion and our discussion ended in me getting scolded back in college or it ended up in them telling me to believe in my faith and not question it. I guess that is the big difference between religion and science. Religion tends to tell their followers to believe in something without questioning it, and science tends to show you their discoveries and its up to the public to believe in it.
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@happiness16 (48)
• India
19 Nov 10
Religion is man's belief, science is facts and discoveries. Both are important in their own way. But if we see carefully, many religious beliefs and rituals have a scientific reason to them. For example, in India many trees are worshipped. I think this practice avoided man from cutting trees and deteriorating mother Earth. By elevating the position of things to God, or sometimes by declaring certain practices as religious, the wise tried to prevent the common man from interfering with nature.
Today, many of these practices have become outdated and need to be modified according to time. For example, in many places, animals are killed and offered as feasts to God. It was done in the earlier period to control the population of animals. But today, seeing their diminishing number, such practices must be reduced.
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@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
I saw in one documentary which said that man is biologically program to believe in a supreme being because our mind can't explain how everything began. Anyway I still believe in a Creator but as you mentioned I think some religious beliefs and practices are outdated and should be updated. I for one don't do all the practices in my religion especially the ones that I think don't match my beliefs.
@froxen (6)
• Maldives
21 Nov 10
these two can actually co-exist in my opinion. why i say it, because many great scientists are firm believers of religion. I don't think any major religion asks you not to believe in scientific findings. what is important is you maintain your faith, which is actually necessary to maintain order in you life and gain knowledge,learn about the world and wonder about it. Religion is a set of rules that we live by. Doesn't have to cloud your judgment. in My religion we are asked to wonder about this wonderful world we live in take it as proof that there is a creator. such perfection cant be achieved by an accident. i think this alone proves that there is a creator.
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@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
22 Nov 10
I think there are only a few scientist who totally believe in a particular religion. Although there are a lot of scientist who believe in a creator they don't believe in all the teachings of a particular religion. I also think that you don't need to believe in a religion to be a good person. I know a few atheist who are better people than those who are devout believers of a religion. I also don't believe in religion as a set of rules since I have some moral issues in what my religion is teaching. They are merely guidelines for us to follow and are continually changing. What is morally acceptable before may not be morally acceptable today.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
20 Nov 10
Science and religion can coexist and complement each other if you understand that the Bible was written for the people of the early centuries, illustrating subject in terms that those people would understand.
For instance: God created the Earth in 7 days, but what is a day to God? Can you imagine a being that could tolerate 24 hours in a day and yet live for trillions of years?! Nope. His time must be much faster than ours. Hence, the evolution of the earth and species.
Most scientists I've read about say that the more they learn about science, the more they believe in a supreme being.
I do not think that this universe is an accident. And if it is, what have I lost? Just the illusion I held during my life. If there is no afterlife, I won't care. But believing in that God and the afterlife inspires me to make the most of my life and try to better the world.
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@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
22 Nov 10
That is exactly how I look at religion right now. Particularly my religion which is Christianity. I believe that the bible shouldn't be taken literally and should be understood symbolically. What matters to me right now is that I do good to my fellow men and believe in a supreme being.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
19 Nov 10
hi I also think that science and religions or belief in God can
co exist and I feel everyday we some how prove that God exists ande so does science. I do not believe in little green men however until someobe either shows me one or a real phot of one. the otherws if there are any will look like us but maybe be a fit smarter. andf wer could learn from them.
@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
19 Nov 10
Hi Hatley,
Please check this URL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw8dcb8iKSM
I hope this confuse you a little bit.
@apples99 (6556)
• United States
20 Nov 10
Well I think that science and religion dose coexist I dont see why it cant, I've also viewed many documentary on both science and faith and I respect science, but I'm also a person of faith I think some religious books have an inaccuracy's and can be left open to interpretation, I'm a strong believer in a creator as well, but in all honesty its dificult to believe that everything written in religious books are completely accurate after hundreds of years I'm a believer in a creator and I'm a spiritual person but I'm not a blind fallower of faith I prefer to keep my mind, heart,soul and eyes open to all the knowledge available to me and science is part of that knowledge but its not the only kind of knowledge with all due respect to hard working scienctist out there science cant expline everything but it can expine some things but not all.
@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
22 Nov 10
Actually that is how science work. They try to find ways to explain everything. I also think that it is an impossible task since there are just a lot of things to explain in the universe. Although I am a believer I am also not a blind follower of my religion. I even tried reading some of the other religious books to further my understandings in religion.
@machizmo (279)
• United States
20 Nov 10
I do not have a problem with religion or science. I believe both have their good aspects and their bad ones. I do not really think science or religion have all the answers. I personally have never seen science or religion be able to always understand art or music. Spirituality I think also transcends both science and religion.
@shattered (1728)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
Science can never explain everything.
Religion does not get into the details of how God created the heavens and earth. The Bible never said that we were the only creation, it only said that we were created in his image and his likeness. And that there is only one God.
Why can't the creator be like a human being? Human being have been trying to create robots that are bipedal like human for decades!
Faith is not about something that can be explained by 1+1=2 otherwise it would no longer be faith but a simple arithmetic solution. Faith the evidence of things not seen, the substance of things hoped for.
I do believe that religion in itself is not important, but what you believe is. There is after all only one way. Is there really just one science?
@shattered (1728)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
You do know that the 90's when the internet began to be used by civilians was the 20th century right? This already existed in the 20th Century so yes, some have known and others have been planning for it.
60 years ago and even before that, people have been striving to achieve harmony and talked about the time when communication would become instantaneous. Where strangers can talk without needing to know each other well. It has been discussed and it has been hoped for.
Science may explain some, but its explanations are limited, and often lead to more questions than answers.
Our curiosity is directly proportional to our interest and little to do with the time to get the answer. I am just as curious to know the answer to 1+1 then I am to know the answer to the tangent of 64x divided by y/z where z is not equal to x.
I understand that you think in time everything can be explained by science. But I believe that science will lead to more questions rather than answers, to more confusion than clarity. What we believe as facts now will be myths in 50 years. Science once dictated that the world was flat did it not? And now we know that it is not.
@dollar3235 (2062)
• India
19 Nov 10
Hi shattered,
People in 20th century, had they have ever thought that one day, you will earn money like this?
Do you think even 60 years back, people would have thought that a day will come when such discussions will take place where all strangers will share their point of view that too instantly?
If science can do these things, I am pretty sure, one day, we will get the answer of the toughest questions known to us. "Science" and "Time", these two things have always done wonder for human being. It has happened in past and I am sure it will be happening till the time we exist.
Our curiosity is directly proportional to the time required in getting an answer to any of the questions.
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@deriellevc73 (982)
• Philippines
20 Nov 10
hello andvyvil!
Science and religion co-exist just fine, since the beginning of time. What religion cannot rationally explain, science can come up with the answers after some trial and errors.
I, too, believe in a supreme being but as to the other details which are hazy to me, i attributes to science and vice versa. The two interrelates and intertwines throughout the history of the world, and sometimes we see the end of the other in the beginning of the other. Kind of thought-provoking but we, humans do not need to understand everything to have a meaningful life here on Earth. Sometimes, we just have to leave it to our faith, the things which we don't understand, we just have to let Him have it.
I know some people have the compulsion to know everything to be able to understand things. But there are some things which are better left to the Supreme Being to understand and process. We just have to enjoy the life he had given us, in the world he had created for us. We cannot live fully if we spend our lifetime in quest for the truth, which might have been tainted with a lot of things in the past and therefore, not the truth we are seeking for. To quest for some thing beyond our scope, would be tantamount to getting on the same level with our creator. It is His to understand and implement, it is ours to live in accordance with His will. No use biting off more than we can chew. will not give us peace of mind, that's for sure.
of course, everybody is entitled to his own opinion. This is mine and i am expressing it as such. Happy mylotting!
@Andyvil (793)
• Philippines
22 Nov 10
Hello deriellevc. Thanks for your response. I personally think that it is impossible to know everything. I also think that the creator made us to think and wonder which made us different among all of the animal kingdom. I don't think searching for the truth is harmful in fact it would give us a deeper understanding of the things that the creator has given us. I also think it would also help us strengthen our beliefs in our faith. Anyway I respect your opinion and I enjoyed reading your response.
@jak2010 (1550)
• Papua New Guinea
1 Dec 10
Yes, it is not something that we can propose their possiblity of coexistance, they are already co existing or were coexisting and are coexisting and will be co existing. Because simple they are trying to explain the same thing, how this world its life came into existance and functions as it is now. The relgion whatever, you belong to trying to explain and point to answers to the one creator or a supreme being. Science on the other hand, tries, to explain through, experimentations, observations, using formulae etc over to come to a conclusion of the assumption of creation, life, behaviour and natural phenomonons. In religion, it is faith, many events are not explainable as science wants to do and does it all the time, but those that can not be explained by religion are called mysteries and are not believed in faith. Science does help religion to answer some questions of life and also strength faith of many religious people and religion poses questions for science to quest for more knowldge, after all science is knowledge.
@ganeshprabhuk (1722)
• India
19 Nov 10
As human beings we feel god in our form. May be animals or trees or any living being in this world think God in their own way. Aliens also may think their creator in a different way. For our convenience we think God in all form like us and every religion has got their own way of thinking God. Having hope in God is the biggest thing. It is immaterial whether what form is God is.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
19 Nov 10
God is a Spirit and Spirits do not look like human beings. So I have no trouble putting religion and science together. We humans were created beca;use God knew that in order to live on Earth, we needed two arms, two legs, a body, a head, and a brain inside, plus fingers and toes in order to survive. And we are only one of a kind. It does not matter that there may be an unknown way to get to the other planets or that before Adam and Eve sinned, God created a path or wormhole or our first parents had the intelligence and ability to travel to other planets, alluded to Space Aliens.
And since the World was in turmoil after The Flood and after Babel, it is conceivable that demons or angels could have taken people to other planets especially the former if they figured out that the humans would worship God rather then Satan. (of course in that case, God would protect them.) But then being a writer and having an imagination, this is just a theory.
There is a danger of humanizing God, not just in looks but saying "well scientifically there was a big bang because that is what a human mind can conceive so in no way can God just bring the Universe into existence by a word." But that is the only logical explanation that God as God can bring things into existence by a word and Science is no where close in explaining how the universe came into being. They can just theorize or guess.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
19 Nov 10
Which religion do you follow?
I think it depends on which religion one follows. I am a Christian and I don't see how or why the religion I follow should contradict with Science. In fact, Christians have very advanced study between Science and Christian Religion. Some of the centres that do engage in such enterprise are:
http://www.st-edmunds.cam.ac.uk/faraday/index.php (Cambridge University)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifical_Academy_of_Sciences (headed by Pope and leading scientist of both faith and otherwise are members)
http://www.ctns.org/ ( It's a centre for Theology and Natural Science)
I have done fair amount of reading, at least between my religion and Science, and what I have learnt is that some individuals mostly based in the US have promoted a very poor intellectual position, scientifically and theologically, and it's because of such view that some media take it up and label religion as closed minded enterprise. However, media just does not seem to be knowing about serious engagement happenings.
@se7enthbird (8307)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
like you through watching and reading it was explained clearly by scientist why this exist and why that is happening. but like you i still believe that there is a God and i keep my faith in my own way. i believe in prayers and i believe in miracles. in my opinion it can coexist but the problem is will the people accept it? some people are kinda touchy or some gets pretty irritated when talking about religion. this can happen but the thing is not everybody will accept it.
@kingparker (9673)
• United States
19 Nov 10
Our creation never been witnessed, and it was simply pass down as a story from generation to generation. Our bibles, and scripture base on our ancestors writing, and might be their imagination of how we were created. I just don't know whether those religious saying is right or wrong. Like your saying, keep your mind open, and ready to accept anything crazy.
@rinfour (250)
• Philippines
19 Nov 10
I think that Science and religion can co-exist IF (and that is a giant if) we accept and RESPECT differences. I think that if we just let people believe what they want to believe and not push our opinions on them, then there will be peace (at least between religions and Science). I do not believe in an absolute truth therefore I will not subscribe to anything absolutely meaning I am open for differences and learning from them.
Learning is not a sin, and accepting differences is certainly GOOD in every aspect.