How to fix the Native American Issue?
By laglen
@laglen (19759)
United States
November 20, 2010 8:31pm CST
I am being serious with this question. I am not being sarcastic nor snarky. I have seen a lot of responses lately about people comparing the Europeans taking North America away from the Native Americans and comparing that to the illegal immigrants that we get from all over the world. I am wondering when that argument ends. The Senate just passed a huge bill for reparations for Native Americans. Will that fix it? What will? When people say that "we" stole this land, do you realize that most of us that are third, fourth, fifth generation Americans, most likely have Native American blood. So now, who pays what to fix what for who?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
21 Nov 10
Laglen, what the senate just passed with regards to the native Americans was in response to a specific class-action lawsuit against the Interior Department for mismanaging specific trust funds that collected royalties for specific things, like grazing rights and the extraction of minerals, oil and natural gas from land owned by the tribes over many decades. This is the same as theft. Unless you...or I...are a member of any of the tribes involved, this has nothing to do with us. There obviously was a legally binding agreement made that was not honored.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
21 Nov 10
I guess I'm confused...by your title and by your OD then. What Native American issue needs to be fixed and, if this has nothing to do with the lawsuit, why did you mention it in your OD? Yes, land was stolen from the native American tribes...nothing is going to change that and I don't believe that anyone has any obligation to repay them for that...but legal agreements and trust funds related to the land they were allowed to keep must be honored to the letter according to law. The illegal immigrants who come here take jobs, not land, and our government has no agreement with them.
And, no apology necessary re: my username.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Nov 10
The casinos show exactly how little the tribal leaders really care about the people in the tribes.
Billions are made from the casinos, yet the proceeds haven't seemed to improve the lives of people on the reservations. What responsibility do the tribal leaders who own the casinos feel towards their own people?
The reservations were basically slums before the tribes won the right to open casinos, and they are basically slums now.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Nov 10
Glad to hear that, Spalladino. The reservations I've been on (In Wisconsin and out West) were atrocious. I've had friends who did all they could to get away from the reservations. Not because they weren't proud of their heritage, but to escape the slum lifestyle there.
I've heard there is something special about the Seminole, I'm glad the rumors seem true!
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
22 Nov 10
While this may be the case with some tribes, this is not true when it comes to the Seminole Tribe of Florida. Every member of the tribe...every man, woman and child...receives dividends from the casino profits, which is currently close to $3,000 a month, around $100,000 per year for a family of four, in addition to whatever income they may have. The reservations down here are far from slums.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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21 Nov 10
on the whole, and it pains me to say this, the states hasn't dealt too badly in recent years with this issue. where hasn't, rather surprisingly given the comparative international reputations of the two countries, with a similar one is australia. look into it. people get shocked by this because australia has the reputation the states *thinks* it does of being a pretty decent country it would be great to live in.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
22 Nov 10
There are genetic tests to prove who has Native American blood in them.
The main difference with illegal immigration nowadays is:
Those coming here are risking life and limb crossing deserts to come here, work 2 or 3 jobs at once, cleaning our toilets, cooking our food, picking our crops, etc.
Those who illegally immigrated long ago enslaved, beat, murdered, raped, and tortured the Native Americans. Those good Christians. And, yes, that would constitute "stealing" from the Natives. But, he, we will honour that this Thursday, no?
The saddest thing is how Natives live today. Their reservations are putrid, no running water, and they are completely impoverished.
I don't know how the money will be distributed. Am thankful that such a great leader as Obama and his administration passed the bill for much needed reparations. I am sure a commission of some sort will oversee it.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
22 Nov 10
Probably the same way the tribal leaders "distribute" the casino profits.
@hofferp (4734)
• United States
21 Nov 10
I'm with you on this one, there is no comparison between the mostly Europeans coming to "America" in the 1400's or earlier and beyond and the Native Americans and today's illegal aliens sneaking across our borders. And I think the discussions above state many of the points.
For those who do make such comparisons, let's ask them how their country handles illegals. Do they support them with their health care, education, housing, etc.? I kind of doubt it, unless you count jail as housing.
But I'll go one step farther. I don't think passing a huge bill for reparations for Native Americans will fix the problems facing Native Americans. The issues facing many Native American nations/tribes can't be fixed with money alone. And the issues are too numerous to start to address them here and now. Like most of the rest of the country, jobs would go a long way to addressing some issues.
Good morning, Laglen. My nephew and I are headed to the Mescalero Apache casino this morning. We're going to give money...
Oh, and I have no Indian blood in me (when I was a kid I use to tell people I'm Lakota Sioux and some believed me, but...); I'm German-Russian ancestry; pure American. (No German-Russian-American for me, just American!)
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@ajett1 (65)
• United States
23 Nov 10
The two have nothing to do with each other for one thing the people coming to this country don't give us a live like us or die proposition like we did the American Indian. (in the case of the cherokee a we will kill you anyway. Yes this country was stolen from the Native Americans, it was also built on the backs of slaves but every country has a similar history whether you are talking about Rome or England (england is a great example betweein their colonies in India or their treatment of the Irish and the Scotts. I don't see why America is singled out for having such a history but back to modern day immigrants that argument is seriously out there I mean what has modern immigration done to mess up your life besides the fact that you can't evesdrop on the people in front of you at the check-out eisle?
@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
27 Nov 10
Compensate them here and NOW! Americans should not push this matter away-the native Americans were brutalized and robbed of everything God gave them in their land-we cannot pretend this is not an issue, it will for ever play on the conscience of the less original Americans who now control affairs of the land and are masquerading as the true Americans!
@MagicalBubbles (5103)
• Canada
22 Nov 10
I know what you mean. I can honestly say that I dont have any Native blood in my veins. If I did, I could buy stuff here and not pay taxes. Seriously!!
Welllll......I think its true that they came here and decided to make it their home and forgot that there were already people living here.
Imagine Aliens from another planet coming here and they decide to take over because they're more advanced and have the means and power to do so!!
I dont think any of us would be very happy!
They might have written a bill in your country but I dont think they did in mine. There are still wars going on....political wars and I wish they'd give them what they're asking for and recognize that THEY were here first.
Now remember what I said at the beginning. I dont have any Native blood. My mom comes from France and my dad from Italy. Neither of them have any link with the Natives.
So what should be done or said. I dont know!! Its nearly my bedtime and I usually cant think too straight at this time