Why didn't Jesus write the Bible????
By bird123
@bird123 (10643)
United States
November 27, 2010 12:09am CST
Many claim that Jesus is God. At the very least they claim Jesus is the son of God. Since we are all children of God, I go along with son of God. If Jesus is God, like many claim, that would make Him very very smart. This brings up the question. Why didn't Jesus write the Bible himself rather than leaving it to mankind to corrupt?? Was that really a good choice?? I know if I were to have a book to be the blueprint of mankind's actions, I surely wouldn't leave the writing to others. No one can know for sure what Jesus was really like, but I believe it would have been a much better write if Jesus had written the Bible. In light of all this, shouldn't one really question everything about the Bible???
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
27 Nov 10
No, because there are lessons in the Bible that others learned and chose to share. If Jesus, who was the Son of God, by the way, had written the Bible, it would have been one person's words, one person's experiences and one person's perspectives. Jesus had a job to do and writing the Bible was not one of them.
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@voldrox (7191)
• India
28 Nov 10
I believe Jesus was more busy with travelling and healing people and teach his followers and He never had the time to write a Bible. Plus, He never wanted people to believe him blindly, with his writing. He wanted to be an example, to show people how to care and love each other. If i were a great mathematician and i would publish a book on maths about Probability, all my followers would start getting a copy of my book and start learning from it. However my rivals (ones who dislike me) would find ways to stop my books from reaching others. Jesus's main purpose was to open the gates of Heaven for us, and teach us by being an example. No one is going to learn maths just by going through a text book, we require a dedicated teacher for doing so. Faith is that earnest willing to learn, and faith helps us believe the teacher is still present here. All that was needed to be taught was taught, He put a huge example for us, and now we need to go through the text book. Now it is upto you, to learn it or not. Class dismiss.
If you ask me, i want to pass the big exam. Others are not informed about the test, i believe we have big test coming. Now that is what I believe.
Everybody has a choice of their own, so let it be.
@calebknox (149)
• Philippines
27 Nov 10
The scribes and the apostles wrote the bible according to his teachings.. the bible survives and probably the oldest book..I mean why can't people believe in in the Bible and the scriptures?..It's full of righteous things..The Bible has the answer to all the spiritual questions.. There wouldn't be a justifiable end to this discussion coz, not everyone is a Christian,. we can't argue on things that nobody here is qualified enough to dissect.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
27 Nov 10
Simple because it is the oldest book doesnot mean it comes from God, is all right, and carries all the answers. I can not argue there are some good things in the Bible. How can I say to love everyone is wrong?? I can't. Much of the Bible simply isn't true. Stories might feel good but carry little value for those who seek the truth just as it is. So many search for God, yet most only look to one source, their holy book. I find very few actually want to find God. Thanks for all your comments!!
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
1 Dec 10
You must ask yourself. Do all those stories really add up??? Is this how One with high intelligence would be??? When you start to question then you start to search for answers. Actions speak louder than words. In this physical world based on time even God cannot hide His actions. The start on your road to discover is here. When you can understand what this world is really all about, you will come to understand God. When you understand the genius behind things, it will open more doors for discovery. If God exists, then He can be found. This should be your goal. Sometimes people who search find what they search for. Isn't the only real proof of God, when you actually bump into Him?? Just like all the physics of this world add up,everything about God will add up as well. Thanks for all your comments!!
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
30 Nov 10
What in the Bible isn't true? How do you know? OK, that's probably a really long and complicated argument.
@forester1985 (999)
• Indonesia
27 Nov 10
from my believed Jesus/ Isa is a prophet, not God. then it's normally He ca not write the bible by myself. Write a bible need super duper intelligence, and super duper wise, and only God have this criteria. Because God is Almighty.
that's my opinion.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
27 Nov 10
Don't you think Jesus was just as capable as those who actually wrote the Bible???? I surely wouldn't say the writers of the Bible were super intelligent. Of course, they probably were for their day. I bet just to be able to read and write in those days was remarkable. Thanks for all your comments!!
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
1 Dec 10
Graptopetalum. Science is discovering more and more about the brain everyday. Seems it does make a difference what a person studies and focus on. Neural plasticity is the latest study. Our brains adapt to what we study. Those who are exposed to a higher intelligent learning will adapt more to that. Not much going on 2000 years ago. If the contest was to start a fire rubbing two sticks together, I bet those from the past would make us look silly. Thanks for your comments!!
@achilles2010 (3051)
• India
28 Nov 10
All those who do not know Jesus well think that Jesus had come to start a new religion that is Christianity.
It is not so. Before Jesus came people needed a religion, they needed Ten Commandments to stay morally upright. Please read the Ten Commandments and you will see it is nothing but a lesson in common sense. Anyone today would know that the person who does not honor his or her father or mother, commits murder, or adultery, steal other person's things, or bears false witness against somebody, and covets other peoples things or spouses lacks commons sense.
Society frames law to try the criminals, but not to try those who are righteous. Similarly Moses gave Ten Commandments to the sinners and not to those who are righteous.
Jesus had come to save the sinners, those who he had saved he knew would not need religion. They would be able to walk upright and would have eyes to see without it. Those who were still blind, those who could not walk upright they wrote New Testament for themselves. They are the ones who go about calling themselves Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox and Mormons because they are not sure who they are. Those who are kindly and humane in semblance of Christ do not even have to tell who they are. People already know them by their conduct and by their deeds.
For this reason Jesus did not have to write the Bible.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
28 Nov 10
You make some very good points. Most of the ten commandments are common sense to most without placing them in books. One thing I do know about God. God places the information out there. God leaves it up to each of us to discover and understand. Indeed the bible is mankind's attempt to understand God. That is not really a bad thing. It's when religion tries to place people's understanding of God in a box which isn't all accurate. They cross the line of what God is really all about. Mankind must indeed try to bend and control the truth to their will. This is the point at which the real truth is lost. The package religion provides makes it easy for people to quit the search for knowledge in favor of accepting a few teachings. As we all know, God is much more than can be placed in a box or package. God's children must be free to explore the limitless possibilities of knowledge rather than rely on other's view or other's truth. How many people's entire knowledge of God comes from a single holy book???? It is SAD!! THanks for all your comments!!
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
30 Nov 10
Is it common sense to not make "graven images"? What exactly does that mean anyway? I know most people interpret it as meaning that they shouldn't make an image intended to be worshiped but the wording suggests something else (at least in normal English translations and my Hebrew isn't that good). Is it common sense to not work on Saturday? Most Christians don't keep that one. What constitutes "work" anyway, Jesus and the pharisees had some bitter arguments about that! How badly does somebody have to behave that killing them doesn't constitute "murder"? Is adultery really a big issue? Some would dispute that.
I think somebody had to write down Jesus' life and teachings, so you can't really dismiss the New Testament like that. Of course a lot of what passes for Christianity today (and for most the last 2000 years), hasn't got a lot to do with the Bible (not eating Kosher, worshiping on Sunday, having statues of the Virgin Mary etc.).
@INCEPTION4U (44)
• India
27 Nov 10
i can make it clear that ur belief system is blind from the words of god rite from the genesis till revelation anyone who really like to know abt why can i make such comment without knowing that i can win can ask me i will show you how bible goes wrong in the very first chapters of genesis itself.but do not loose faith if you are weak stay away coz it's undigestable for you who followed all this time and all of a sudden the god lmighty says that u r wrong abt him and "the bible"
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
27 Nov 10
You make a mistake to assume that I have a belief system. I do not value beliefs as religion has convinced so many. I discover the truth whether I agree with the truth or not. Beliefs just point the direction one should investigate to discover the truth. God doesn't have to be a belief. God is not the invention of mankind, pictured in all the holy books. Discover the truth for yourself. God is more than you can find in any book. Thanks for all your comments!!
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
30 Nov 10
INCEPTION4U - there are lots of complicated arguments about creation vs. evolution and the big bang (I assume that's what you're referring to about the first few chapters of Genesis being wrong). I suggest you take such arguments to a creation vs. evolution thread, or if you can't find one that fits your point, start your own thread.
@Xansus (946)
• Bulgaria
27 Nov 10
Bible is writed by man .
First there are a lot of thing that people will start doubting if the man writed it from Jesus name .
First : Why Jesus write the bible ? he haved a lot of other great things too do , and he have only hes human spawn life .
Second : He would have to write in the language all around him understand but well the teachings are for everyone so there have to be a way the bible to be created for everyone at the same time .
Third : Gods don't have to middle in the people works , since Jesus is son of god that mean he is god in a way . (well he did with his life but in that time he was here to do the things that god tell him to do)
Forth : Gods even in humans don't leave clues from them to the humans (ye i already said they dont have to middle in humans work)
There are a lot other points that you can take for examples .
Yes history and teaching might be true , and even if they are not you can take great knowledge , but i cannot believe in something that might be or might be not true .
So i'm Sure Jesus did not write it for those and far more other reasons .
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@derek_a (10874)
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28 Nov 10
It seems like Jesus, like other great spiritual teachers, spoke to people and left the writing to other peoples. When you read something, it is a belief and may or may not be true, but when you experience something, because you are actually experiencing it, it must be true - you know it is true.
As a Zen practitioner, I practice meditation and realize truths that exist within the inner mind and everybody can do this. This is an experience, and not something I would get by reading about it. Therefore, I read for confirmation about what I have already experienced, but I don't need to do it. Buddha was the first Zen practitioner, and he just taught by his own example of spiritual enlightenment in the present moment, as I am sure Jesus did. Both teachers invited people to practice a pure way of life, not read about it. Others wrote about it later, after their lives and there are many interpretations. I would say if you want to really know what Jesus or Buddha taught, you would need to practice what they practiced.
Being of service to others, was one important lesson and forgiveness another. All the teaching point to living in the present moment of here and now, focusing on what is wanted and needed in that moment, and providing it, with focus of mind and compassion. That is how I see it anyway. _Derek
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
30 Nov 10
So if I want to understand Jesus I should learn to walk on water?
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
30 Nov 10
The word that came down from God to man is not corrupt.
The men who took God's word and twisted it to fit their own agenda are corrupt.
The men who wrote what is called the New Testament did not know that their work would one day be canonized. They wrote so others would understand who Jesus Christ is, what He taught and what He sacrificed for the sake of mankind, how He defeated the works of Satan and what that means to anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHRP0I2SrVs
Does the above link explain for you what sets the Bible apart from other sacred texts? If it does not, I can only conclude that your mind is made up without giving the Bible a chance.
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
30 Nov 10
I'm sorry you've been blinded by Satan's lies. You have fallen into his trap and it will be your undoing unless you start using some of that intelligence you claim you have and make a concerted effort to really find truth. God's word is truth. It's easy to say the stories in the Bible "simply are not true," but no one has ever been able to prove it. Do you understand God's ability? Can't you understand that nothing is impossible for God? Do you have any idea how intelligent God is? Do you understand that a perfect God cannot abide the imperfect? Can't you see that man is imperfect? Do you not realize we need to be made perfect if we are to have any hope of eternity with God? Platitudes about how intelligent God is will not save you. Unsubstantiated statements are empty words. The uniqueness of the Bible speaks for itself. If you can't see that, or refuse to believe what is obvious, then you're not so intelligent as you seem to think.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
30 Nov 10
Do you think I believe in any of the other sacred texts??? Do you think this guy comes close to convincing me of anything????? Do you think one needs to find God solely from books???Do you think a person should rely on others for all their information on God? If you look at God's actions without the influence of any books, you can see that everything about God adds up. Can you really say that about the stories in the bible??? Sure parts of the bible do add up. Example: Love everyone. This does come from God. However, the stories of trinties, satan, heaven, hell, the ruling,demanding, threats,the wrath of God,the bible's creation story, judgement day and so much more simply are not true!!! This is mankind!!!!! If you had any real concept of God, you would know this. The real truth surrounds us all. Can you see???? It's all a test of intelligence. See things for what they really are requires a wider view.True knowledge runs deeper than mere stories that make one feel. Thanks for all your comments!!
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
30 Nov 10
I forgot to say that the bible and religion tries to make people think that God sees His children as full of sin and flawed in God's eyes. Nothing is farther from the truth. This is an evil mankind is very much guilty of. How many people do they hurt???? It's not always easy for me to convince these people otherwise for they have been taught since childhood they are sinners.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
29 Nov 10
My first thought on this was covered already by me, but I will paraphrase, chances are Jesus did write parts of the Bible, but they weren't included in later centuries into the Bibles we use today. My other thought right away is the people in the world before Jesus needed some guidance, so someone else had to get there first. Now, I know right at the start anyway, God had a direction influence over His Children, but how would we ever be able to exercise our right to choose to follow him, if we were constantly under his eye? Its like telling your 3 year old they can't have that cookie on the counter, as long as you are watching them your fine, but once you turn your back, if they want it.... I quite imagine God could have just had a Bible appear into existence, and really who can say He didn't?
As for questioning, I agree with the quote of Thomas Jefferson in the response prior to mine, and I would like to share one Scripture from the Book of Mormon- The book of Moroni chapter 10, only parts.
4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would aask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue; and if ye shall ask with a csincere heart, with dreal intent, having efaith in Christ, he will fmanifest the gtruth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow the btruth of all things.
6 And whatsoever thing is good is just and true; wherefore, nothing that is good denieth the Christ, but acknowledgeth that he is.
Sincerely and With Appreciation.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
29 Nov 10
Oh gosh..the copy and paste grabbed the cross reference letters, my bad....
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
30 Nov 10
People love to think that God placed a manuel for everyone to follow. This is not true. If it were, God would make sure everyone had a copy. If God came to me today and said get everyone a copy then told me how to fund the project, everyone would have their copy. God doesn't do this. So what is God doing??? All knowledge must be earned. There is wisdom in the struggle to attain knowledge. This includes knowledge on God. God does not place rules instead everything you do in time will return to you. You can make a million rules but no one will follow them until the consequences come back to teach. Controlling mankind wants to rule,direct, and control it all. We must remember God's great intellect. That is why so few really understand God. God is beyond the petty things of mankind. Great intellect means everything about God will always add up. Can people really say the bible adds up??? Well, maybe the part that says love everyone. Thanks for all your comments!!
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
3 Dec 10
I've asked with a sincere heart and God's told me that the book of Mormon is a load of balony. Gold tablets translated with magic spectacles, how stupid did Joseph Smith think people were? Well unfortunately a lot of people were stupid enough to believe him!
@lindiebiz (1006)
• Canada
28 Nov 10
i disagree with you on your questions? how and where did mankind corrupt the bible God used man to write it so we can learn from experiences of others it will not make as much sense to us if we know God wrote it we will say he wrote from his point of view. Jesus is GOd so Jesus wrote the Bible too. Try to read the bible you will learn more and know more
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
29 Nov 10
I will stop here straight out and say very clearly, How and Where mankind Corrupted the Books of the what we consider the Bible today.
First and Foremost the Old Testament holding the initial 5 books of the Torah, was written in a ancient dialect of Hebrew that I am sure like every other language evolved slightly over hundreds of years, so that words meant something different when they were written as to when they were read. The same holds for most of the Old Testament, written in Hebrew, then the New Testament, Some written in Latin, Some Written in Greek, some Written in Arabic. Some thrown out because the "Leaders" of the time wanted control rather then Growth. We have what they called the Bible. Circa 382ish(please correct me if I am off by more then 2 centuries)
All translated into Latin, for the Romans to train the priests and only the priests and the nobles to be able to actually read it, most of the empire, speaking a different language entirely and having to trust only the words of the clergy...Anyone else see the problems here....
So comes along some rather unambitious men...circa the 1380's John Wycliffe being primary among them, translate it into what was then spoken as English, now remember what I said about languages changing if you don't believe that remember that in 1960 gay meant happy. So this kicks about a bit, people getting burned at the stake for owning them..burnt because you own a book, that surely demonstrates the true Love of Christ, wouldn't you agree? Anyways, it is best I avoid that one.
and then it changes a few more time over the past 700 years, until you have the what 30 40 some odd different English versions not to mention the various other translations available to us Today. And of course along the way, anytime a priest was wanted to change something...who would notice a word here, or a phrase there that better helps to control the general populace through fear and intimidation. And lets not forget a Bunch of Cardinals Decided which Scrolls would become books in the new Latin Bible and which would be destroyed or hidden away.
This mostly from A Concise History of the Catholic Church, and http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/ as well as things I have learned in various churches over the years.
Sincerely and With Appreciation.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
28 Nov 10
You don't find anything corrupt about the bible?????? How about women being second to men??? What about the concept of all God's children being flawed??? What about the concepts of creation that can not be true?? What about the concepts of heaven and hell??? Do you not question anything?? Do you just accept when someone says God told them to write a book??? Will you then believe every word??? Does your source of all information about God come entirely from one source, your bible??? Isn't God much more than you can find in any one book. Yes, there are more answers for those who truly search for answers. When one discovers, it just opens more doors to learn more. Knowledge is limitless!! Thanks for all your comments!!
@advokatku (4033)
• Indonesia
28 Nov 10
because jesus did not go to school, can not read and write. Even if he could write, of course he will do is write a diary, not a book that contains religious teaching
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
29 Nov 10
I believe someone mentioned earlier that Jesus is quoted as starting to write in the Bible. Something about Let he is free of Sin cast the first stone, then he began to write.
And at Church today, we were discussion the ressurection, and life of Jesus Christ and in Luke 2:52, "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man" I find it very difficult to believe you could gain stature and favour with Man if you could not read or write in that time.
Sincerely and With Appreciation.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
30 Nov 10
Charisma can go a long way,however at some point intellect must be there if one is ever going to discover the real truth. Since God has high intellect,surely any messenger from God would as well. If the messenger can't understand the message, how can it ever arrive? Reading and writing are the basics. The writers of the bible might be bending the story more than we realize. After all, who would contest them?? Thanks for all your comments!!
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
28 Nov 10
So you think Jesus could not read or write?? Interesting. This could change views on many things. How could true wisdom not recognize the need to be able to communicate?? You say Jesus would have written a diary not a religious book. Then it wasn't Jesus's intention of starting a religion. Yes,your comments do change the view. Thanks for all your comments!!
@mercedlegurpa (955)
• Philippines
29 Nov 10
I believe that Jesus trusted His disciples in writing the Bible. Before Jesus is born, everything is preplanned.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
3 Dec 10
Graptopetalum. Everyone carries a different view. What and how we communication speaks novels about who we are and what lessons we need to learn. By allowing others to speak for you or write for you, you are assuming they have your view. This is rarely the case. Explain something to a friend. Tell them to explain the same thing to another. Listen while they do. See if you want to jump in to finish the job. Thanks for all your comments!!
@fl0rencia (414)
• Philippines
27 Nov 10
Those who wrote the bible were cast by the Holy Spirit. Hence, need not God to write it himself. I am not sure but I guess it's the way of the disciples to show their testimonials themselves. And since the writers of the bible were cast by the Holy Spirit then there's no need to ask question everything that is written in the bible.
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@wargod (29)
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27 Nov 10
You wanna know the answer? it's simply because "He is not The highest holy god in heaven". Because he is the son of almighty and divine god in heaven and the orders is not come from him. it's from the divine god. so that's why the divine is the real know of what happen in the mankind in from the start until to end.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
28 Nov 10
As far as I know, the only thing that is claimed to be written personally by God is the Ten Commandments (two editions, since the first edition was dropped and broken by Moses in anger).
The Bible is claimed to be 'inspired writing'. In other words, it was written by men under inspirational influence and guidance from God. It is very important to understand, too, that the Bible as we have it today was selected from many writings at various times by various committees and that many of the books have gone through multiple stages of translation (Hebrew - Greek - Latin - English, for example). It cannot really be expected that the original meaning has always been exactly preserved.
The ONLY way to read the Bible is to question it at every point and to consider what it says in humility and in direct communication with that of God within us all - our own conscience and understanding of the Truth. To claim that any statement or assertion in it is irrevocably, word-for-word true and final is short-sighted and childish in the extreme.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Ok, so you say we must all question and think. How can anyone argue with that? Indeed, God's children should never follow blindly. We are meant to be able to stand on our own two feet. Each of us has the great ability to discover things unknown or unseen by mankind. We should never assume others are always more capable than ourselves. Each of us are just as capable of discovering God. Thanks for all your comments
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
2 Dec 10
As I pointed out earlier on another sub-thread, I think this business about the Bible having gone through multiple translations and changed a bit each time has been greatly exagerated. If this bothers you, you can always learn Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. Alternatively, get a modern Bible translation that's direct from ancient manuscripts, not via Latin.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
3 Dec 10
Graptopetalum. If there aren't that many differences, why do people argue over the real meaning of each and every little thing??? If God were to send a real blueprint for living, wouldn't it be in black and white??? Seems more grey than anything else. Of course with the exception of love everyone. That's perhaps the only part that is God's. Thanks for all your comments!!
@Makro74 (591)
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28 Nov 10
'Many people claim Jesus is God. At the very least they claim Jesus is the Son of God'
Firstly, only Christians believe in the above. I for one, believe in in Jesus but not as a God or a son of God, but His Messenger like all those before him. Therefore it negates the debate that why did Jesus not write the Bible himself.
But here lies another fascination. Why did not Jesus record the Bible from God? Well, the truth is, he did to some extent, ie the New Testament. The Word of God which is contained in the Bible brought by Jesus, is the true Christianity and what the disciples followed. Later scholars and even hypcrocrites sought to misguide the early teachings of Christianity. However, it was not some 300 years later, that the Book of Paul was added who was the advocate of Trinity and Son of God. How can Christianity fall for a teaching which was not present at the time of Jesus?
The problem with the Bible is the credibility as to what was revealed to Jesus and what has been added or taken away later. This further proved by differing versions of the Bible in other languages or even English as one publisher's version is inconsistent with the other. Historically there are great differences also. This is because there does not remain a single copy containing the original Hebrew text. This is why we have to be careful when analysing the Bible and read between the lines.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Indeed, credibility is the issue. It is obvious mankind's hand is in the bible. Since there is some good, one must be selective. One must also never depend entirely on one source for information on anything including God. One must be willing to widen the view to see all the answers. It would be easier if God had written a book, however this would not require anyone to THINK. Kids memorizing is not what God is after. Thanks for all your comments!!
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
8 Dec 10
Interesting indeed. I have heard of a story where Jesus survived then went to India and raised a family. I also know that when King James wrote his bible, everybody and their brother had their own version. King James had a witch hunt to round up those people and their bibles.So there were many different versions. Interesting comments and information, Makro74, Thanks.
@fheroan (615)
• Philippines
28 Nov 10
hello there bird123.... :)
The Bible is not corrupt, some people just use it in corrupt things that's why it turns out that way... Why Jesus didn't write the Bible.. maybe you can think about it this way... Jesus knows the spiritual or heavenly way of writing... and we have our own... would we be able to understand those if its written in an heavenly way or spiritual way? I doubt you can, we humans understand something that is human in nature.. so it was written by a human being too for us to understand what HE really is saying, same way with interpreting.. don't interpret the Bible using your own human knowledge... you won't ever get the real interpretation if you do... better ask his guidance before you do that... just like the authors of the books of the Bible, they were guided by God.
@CJscott (4187)
• Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
29 Nov 10
some people use it on corrupt things...I understand a bit about where bird is coming from with this discussion, and I love it.
I would just like to point out a really big issue I had while I was reading a certain part of Leviticus earlier this year...This will be a big one, but here is Leviticus Chapter 12.
1 The LORD said to Moses,
2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘A woman who becomes pregnant and gives birth to a son will be ceremonially unclean for seven days, just as she is unclean during her monthly period.
3 On the eighth day the boy is to be circumcised.
4 Then the woman must wait thirty-three days to be purified from her bleeding. She must not touch anything sacred or go to the sanctuary until the days of her purification are over.
5 If she gives birth to a daughter, for two weeks the woman will be unclean, as during her period. Then she must wait sixty-six days to be purified from her bleeding.
6 “‘When the days of her purification for a son or daughter are over, she is to bring to the priest at the entrance to the tent of meeting a year-old lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeon or a dove for a sin offering.
7 He shall offer them before the LORD to make atonement for her, and then she will be ceremonially clean from her flow of blood.
“‘These are the regulations for the woman who gives birth to a boy or a girl.
8 But if she cannot afford a lamb, she is to bring two doves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement for her, and she will be clean.’”
So first, it is more of a sin to have a daughter then a son, and secondly..it is a sin to get pregnant in the first place, yet the Lord said, Go Forth and Multiply...
Boggles the mind. and it is completely junk.
Sincerely and With Appreciation.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
28 Nov 10
You say Jesus didn't write the Bible because he would have written it in a spiritual way. Isn't that the way people really need to see it??? They might not fully understand what is there but the goal would stare them in the face. This is what God does today. God places it out there for those who can see, for those who understand. Each of us hold equal opportunity to understand. This does not depend on a particular holy book and the need mankind has to distribute it. It's already out there for us all. There are good things in the bible, however the petty things mankind holds so dear surrounds it too. One must question holy books guided by God when the writer claims God told them what to write especially when mankind is so obvious. Thanks for all your comments!!
@gloryacam (5540)
• Philippines
6 Dec 10
The bible is a collection of books that were written in different times. Periods. Eras. How could Jesus have written all of it? The old testament was written before His time. It contains prophecies about His birth. The old testament was written after His time. How could He have written it?
That is why even the Christians of old had to study the bible, because it is not something that you just "eat and swallow". It is meant to be meditated upon and the meanings of the Word pondered upon.
That is what faith is all about. Believing without necessarily having proofs. And if the bible is "corrupt", who know that it's really corrupt?
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
6 Dec 10
Yes,the bible is a collection of writings. The old testament was supposed to give way for the new testament. Jesus could have written that one. I do understand what you are saying about faith being believing without any proof. Perhaps that is the entire problem. People should search for the truth rather than just accept beliefs and leave it at that. Mankind would have no progress if everyone was content with mere beliefs. Truth must be discovered. That takes lots more work. Thanks for all your comments!!
@gloryacam (5540)
• Philippines
6 Dec 10
Believing and understanding, without necessarily having proofs. Just to make my 2nd paragraph work with the last. (Seems contradictory)
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
27 Nov 10
Jesus was a "human being" when on earth and only became divine after he was resurrected.So,if he wrote any part of the bible it would be from "one" man's perspective.the Bible was written by men who knew him personally and were witnesses to his teachings and miracles.Also all the wonderful things Jesus did, was by direct order form his father God, so, if he had wanted Jesus himself to write the Bible, it would have been done, obviously He chose who would be the final authors.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
30 Nov 10
I don't think it makes sense to say that Jesus only became divine after he was resurrected. It that's the case, why was he born to a virgin? Why did he say "Before Abraham was, I am" instead of "Before Abraham was, I will become later"?
@KalakiMahaAvatar (13)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Yes one should question the Bible, or any other religious writing. But it is the questions that matter. But sense this topic is about the bible we will stick to the bible. It would take me days to bring you to the place of thought on this book that would be enlightening, but I will try to make it a crash course. Despite the fact that I will have many devout Christians condemning me for this I must say what I believe and know to be (my) true. The Bible is like an onion, you have the outside layer which is the printed word taken literally that is used to give spiritual insights. Many people however never peel away this layer. Behind it is many other layers of understanding. If looked at it as allegory another truth is revealed, behind that and deeper still is another hidden truth. You can read one verse six times in six different levels of awareness and find six ever deeper truths. But of course to even find these other hidden truths one must first question, as Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Question with boldness even the very existence of GOD, If there be one, he must more approve of this homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
29 Nov 10
yes, to question is the start on the journey to discovery, understanding and wisdom. One should never rely on one source of information. God's actions are all around you. Perhaps an investigation might reveal much more than words written by mankind. Thanks for all your comments!!
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
3 Dec 10
Actually I think a lot of Jewish rabbis would agree with you about the Bible having multiple layers. The rabbis even have names for them but the only one I remember is "sod" for the hidden codes.