Do Muslims feel welcome on Mylot?
By ladybugmagic
@ladybugmagic (3978)
United States
30 responses
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
27 Nov 10
Personally I do not look up members when I apply my response to a discussion, unless I am trying to address a member by he or she and or something relevant to their country.
Outside of that I am sure any myLot member understands that myLot accepts all and there is no place here on myLot for generalization and or scrutiny. As for the terrorist discussions you mention, I myself do not involve myself in discussions I do not believe in. So I treat all on myLot simply as members that interact with on a daily basis. I do not put labels on anyone outside of wondering about quality and not quality posting. But then this is me.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
This is a fantastic answer, and great mylot practice on your part.
I wish I could limit myself to such discussions, but I feel the need to defend those that people keep making a villain of, because it just doesn't seem right to generalize the way some narrow-minded people tend to.
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@GardenGerty (160626)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Sometimes being a defender becomes difficult, I have found. When very new here I found lots of discussions about all the people from this country or that country being thieves and cheaters. I did not believe it and said so. People told me to stay out of their discussions because I am ignorant. I believe that the moderates generally persists and remain while the bigots foam at the mouth and wind themselves up into nothingness. At least I know that I am still here, and the others that were in that discussion left.There are too many interesting things to discuss for me to waste my time slamming someone.
@hardworkinggurl (37063)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Something with time offline I have learned that defending for me only leads to my disappointment, so I tried really hard to stay out of such discussions offline and online as I have enough negativity in my life where I have learned that the only one in the end that gets hurt is me.
So something I do even online is hope that people can get along and if not I try really hard not to involve myself as those people move on to make others miserable and well I try to live in peace and hope that someday people will some how come around and if not well I simply just try to live in peace.
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@indahfth (11161)
• Indonesia
27 Nov 10
I am a Muslim, and I am very comfortable in MyLot. I believe, MyLot members do not view other members based on religion. Muslim does not mean terrorist. I have never committed a crime, so I do not have to feel uncomfortable. I myself, hate the terrorists. Because in Islam, are not taught to kill. Terrorists just a collection of fools, that the name of Islam.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I really appreciate your commenting. I think what it boils down to is there are fanatics who do things in the name of their faith in every single religion.
@magtibaygom (4858)
• Philippines
29 Nov 10
@indahfth: Do you know Madam UmiNoor? The Bukisa writer and earner here in MyLot? She's a muslim too like you. I saw in her avatar she's also wearing a cloth in her head just like yours. She's very welcome here in MyLot and we love chatting with her because she's shares a lot of good online money making ideas. That shows muslims are welcome here!
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@edigital (2709)
• United States
27 Nov 10
Why not? In past here there were lot of debates about Muslim and terrorism lastly the myLot admin also took up the matter to save their site from the religious debate. That time there were lot of discussions against terrorism but not against the Muslims. Many discussion we read that time that terrorism is doing in the world many ways, some terrorist country doing terrorism using their solders and deadly weapons. That time some discussions I read that Israel can make nuclear bomb but Muslim country or other country cannot make it. So due this reason someone choice to live on terrorism at their own choice.
Lastly it was found that Muslims are not terrorist - " terrorist is terrorist " so everyone is welcome here in myLot.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Agreed - terrorists are terrorists.
What did mylot admin do? I may have missed that? I was offline for a few months.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I think the same can be said for all religions. We have people here who commit disgusting crimes because God told them to, but no one treats Christians the way we ostracize Muslims.
@voldrox (7191)
• India
28 Nov 10
Terrorist are simply people who are brainwashed into believing something that is not true, and that makes dangerous and hard to convince. Terrorist take Islam as a reason for the activities they do, and they take the religion so wrongly. I despise them for putting other Muslim people into danger.
@GardenGerty (160626)
• United States
27 Nov 10
I am not a muslim, but I have friends on MyLot whom I know are Muslims, I just am not a part of bashing discussions, of any kind. I am also not Pagan, but I have friends on MyLot who are. I am Christian, I have friends on MyLot who are Christian, and I know other Christians that sometimes make me cringe. I would hope that my friends of other persuasions do not judge me or bash me, but I have been attacked before, so it does happen.
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@GardenGerty (160626)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I am in Kansas, heart of our country. I do not believe that any one religion should put its mark on public places. If this year they said we could have prayer in schools, it would need to mean Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Hindu prayer as well. I do not think anyone needs to disrupt the classroom by their prayer postures and requirements, so I am content with the idea that no one can keep me from praying silently at my desk. I would hope other faiths would do that as well.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
This is a fair answer, and I appreciate your being so earnest and open about it.
I am not sure where you reside, but in the states, we have a current bout of Islamophobia going on, and spreading like wildfire.
It has become so bad and so intricate, that it has trickled into the most subtle portions of life.
It brings me great sadness.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Some people think its true, which is the sad part.
I don't know how the machine started, but somewhere, the Muslims/Arabs, or anyone even similar in appearance got tagged with the word "terrorist", and I can't explain why, or how, or how to stop it.
This thread gives me confidence, seeing so many Muslims and friends of Muslims give great comments.
@jujunme (2501)
• United States
27 Nov 10
When anyone speaks of terrorism and even here on Mylot, the first thing that comes to most peoples minds is the 9/11 attack on the WTC. Unfortunately, there are some who have made the connection between the Islamic fanatics who were responsible for the attack and Muslims in general. So, i would say that yes, if i were Muslim i would feel uncomfortable participating in discussions on "terrorist" topics here,but as a whole,most of us do not generalize or ask anyone what their religion or heritage is before we join in a discussion, it doesn't matter who anyone is. So i would say as far as Mylot is concerned no, they shouldn't feel uncomfortable and from what i see here, they don't.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I guess I am referring to the outright comments that suggest we need to profile against Muslims, because the most recent publicized terrorist plots were all attempted by Muslims.
We hide behind our anonymity here, and while we don't normally ask one another, imagine being a Muslim reading so many hateful comments. I really hope we haven't turned into that kind of person. The proverbial hater.
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@edigital (2709)
• United States
27 Nov 10
Why not? In past here there were lot of debates about Muslim and terrorism lastly the myLot admin also took up the matter to save their site from the religious debate. That time there were lot of discussions against terrorism but not against the Muslims. Many discussion we read here that terrorism is doing in the world many ways, someone said that attack on Iraq on the plea of having deadly weapon in their possession was one kind of terrorism because no deadly weapon were found there. So due some reasons several people choose to protest the unwanted force and illegal blame and activities at their own choice, which is turn to terrorism. Lastly it was proved in mylot that Muslims are not terrorist - " terrorist is terrorist " If you do not mind that if any one closely look on your avatar he/she may think this avatar looks like a " terrorist face " but it in fact the avatar seems nice to you for which you uploaded and used this. Hence if anyone think the avatar is looks like a terrorist so would you feel uncomfortable? Never because you liked it much so there is no reason to you to think your avatar is looks like a terrorist even to me it is not looking bad. So everyone is welcome here in myLot.
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
27 Nov 10
I think that the same question could be asked of Christians or Pagans or Hindus or members of many other religions; ethnicity, culture, skin colour and sexuality also have their fair share of unreasoned criticism. Where ever you go, especially on the Internet, there will always be an element of bigoted, small-minded people who are prepared to hate you simply because you subscribe to a label (or even because you don't).
It depends very much on the individual whether one is offended by this or can laugh it off. Most people, I am sure, simply avoid such confrontation, though, if you are not used to it, there is always the temptation to argue one's case.
Anyone who has any sense of propriety and self-assurance in themselves, however, should understand that most such condemnation is bigoted, dogmatic and not really open to reasoning at all. There is no reason to feel offended by such people because they do not fight against anything that exists in reality, only a situation that is in their own minds and which they will not and cannot be convinced of any error in their thinking. Perhaps one can feel sorrow for such people and be offended only to the extent that one would be ashamed of one's brother for being small minded and less rational than one sees that he should be.
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@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I thought about this, and I see your point.
I am an atheist, and was brought up in Catholic school, so I completely disinherited that teaching. It actually sickens me, and I am quite vocal about it.
But that is my view on the matter.
Muslims have people who are very misinformed hating them, just because they are different than all of us. They have media sources saying to fear them on airplanes. I think that is where my anger lies. The vast amount of people hating them just to hate someone and because of unreasoned fear mongering, and the media propagating the hate, and quieting down random murders done by white or Christian people, and making a huge stink about those done by Muslims.
It seems very slanted, and unfair, and biased.
@mods196621 (3652)
• Philippines
28 Nov 10
I have a lot of friends Muslim here and online and i found them friendly too. I never look about the religion here. I believe that everybody are welcome here. No religion invole as long as they are friendly and welcome to join what activities we have here in mylot. Actually I begun here and being friendly when i know someone here about him and we became personal friends. He was nice to me but until one day he misunderstand me he left me and i still longing for his friendship but nothing can do. I got another friend here and he is also a muslim. Until noe we are friends and friends inlove!
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Very cool.
One of the things I like best about mylot is that we get to know each other by their words and beliefs, prior to knowing what they look like. It feels refreshing to be able to befriend people and learn from them.
@gracefuldove (1668)
• Malaysia
28 Nov 10
I think all rational thinking people can participate on Mylot. It is not the domain of any particular group. As long as they post rationally, all Muslims should feel welcome.So, let us be fair to one and all and have healthy discussion on this website.
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@kingparker (9673)
• United States
28 Nov 10
Not all muslim religious persons are bad in my opinion. Simply for the whole world. Some people are bad, and some people are good. I hope that there are more good people than bad people inhabit within this planet. So, I won't prejudice the muslim people. I hope that they will listen to the right preach and do good thing to people, that is all.
@momof3kids (1894)
• Singapore
28 Nov 10
Yes i do feel estranged. Thanks for asking.
Everytime i want to participate in a discussion outside the topic of Islam, I have felt that maybe i will be looked upon another way (not the good way).
Strange that you ask this, i feel the same way that maybe some Muslims have stopped mylotting because they feel uncomfortable. But for me i love mylot and cannot stay away too long. It has somehow enriched my life and hopefully people will see the truth in Islam.
When you have understood Islam, you will begin to see why such and such practice is done. Because it is different from what you have known, does not mean it is bad.
Btw terrorism is not Islamic. I do not know why these people choose to use Islam as their excuse. Anyhow I am not in their shoes so maybe they feel cornered and need to lash out, I do not know. But the way some people here at Mylot talked about Islam is enough to make me all riled up too.
My advice to you is to never be afraid of anything associated with Islam (there are versions to tarnish Islam though so be careful of those). Ask the way you do now, I really appreciate it!
@Makro74 (591)
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29 Nov 10
This is the problem, the fundamentalism of 'Shariah' Law, when it is used as a tool for political and power gains.
Shariah law as in true Islam is based on the basic tenet of Islam, PEACE, and LOVE. There is room for flexibility and mercy, and indeed it is encouraged to be applied. But unfortunately, in many countries the teachings of Islam are applied so babarically and ruthlessly that it makes Islam look bad when Islam itself does not promote this.
Lets take women for example - Shariah Law only requires a head covering and covering of her bosom - nothing more. Men passing women, should keep their eyes down. Men and women are generally equal. In marriage, the man is only in authority as far as he is responsible for the families well being. But a woman is permitted to work, but she does not have to provide from her earnings to her family. In Islam, men and women in marriage are garments for each other, protecting each other from harm.
Any woman who is raped in Islam is not shunned by the true Muslim as in the Quran, rather she is consolidated and counselled. Moreover, the rapist is the one who under Shariah Law, is guilty of grave sin and be stoned. Women in Shariah are supposed to be given the high status of been well looked after and adorned. She is the beauty of life which is cherished, not property or cattle which can be abused at the pleasure of the male.
Unfortunately, many Arab countries, whilst implementing 'Shariah' have only nitpicked fundamentals and interpreted them in a very callous way. This is not Islam. For example, where in Islam are they not permitted to drive? Why do Saudis insist on this? The Taliban and their ruthless enforcement of full cover purdah and the male is superior policy - totally un-Islamic.
Thieving - many people misinterpret the cutting of the hand. This is a deterrent more than anything, and not to enforced at a suspicion of theft.
Unless people read the Quran, and look at many areas, such as the beautiful rights of women, only then will they see that many aspects of Shariah as applied by some Arabs are not just or correct in Islam at all. This is how to understand the Islamic faith better - the Quran.
@momof3kids (1894)
• Singapore
30 Nov 10
Its not tangled to me because Islam applies to logic. i will seek those who are more knowledgeable to slove some matters but the results is always satisfactory to me.
On 'confession and repent'
No there is no option if a Mulsim chooses the path to paradise. He is acccountable for his sins to be cleansed according to how sinful he is. Unless Allah alone sees he/she fit to bypass the hell fires, then he/she is allowed to 'escape'.
I do not mean to offend also but to cleanse the soul by confession and repenting alone does not seem logical to me.
What if a Christian chooses to commit a crime and he so happens to escape punishment on earth. If he is to confess and repent, is he able to enter paradise? What if he chooses to commit crime again?
On 'major oppression'
Again I think these people are over zealous. To me, to keep and open mind is the way to learn and enrich my life as a Muslim.
On 'arranged marriages'
@momof3kids (1894)
• Singapore
30 Nov 10
If you mean in Singapore, I beleive there are no arranged marriages here but by Islamic context, if the parents want to choose their childrens marriage partners, the children have to be agreeable to whom they are to marry.
On 'Jihad missions'
I have no answer for this. I think that people on Jihad missions are driven by hate and they have allowed themselves to misinterprete basic Islamic laws.
I cannot paste a link yet, in case it doesnt lead to the site, look up mylotter Gordana 's profile to get the link to Quran.
http://www.e-quran.com
http://www.e-quran.com/language/index.html
To me the best way to clarify Islamic faith and Sharia laws is to get from a good Muslim. In my country there is the Muslim converts association. Perhaps you can find something similar to that. Even for me, it is important to get the right source on Islam.
Islamic laws seem barbaric because sometimes we do not see the reason behind them. Loke I have mentioned earlier the level of 'barbaric-ness' is proportional to the crimes committed. Maybe adultery does not seem serious to some but Islamic Laws seem to symphatize with the one who is cheated on.
On your question of Muslim women being covered from head to toe, i thought of Christians nuns in their habits. Before I explain, can you tell me why Christian nuns are dressed as such? I have some ideas to why they are dressed like that but just to be sure, can you tell me first? thank you.
@yna410 (429)
• Philippines
28 Nov 10
Hi ladybugmagic. I think there are no exceptions who can join in this site, though there are rules to abide once a person becomes a member here of course. Mylot is open to all people regardless of their citizenship, race, religion, and so on. Muslims are very much welcome on Mylot, even Catholics, Born-Again Christians, and others. Freedom of self-expression is what most of us truly appreciate here in this site, aside from the extra money of course. So why do we need to take this away from other people like the "Muslims", when this freedom is for all? We may have different beliefs or opinions but that is the beauty of our inner selves expressed through writing, and we can do it here in Mylot. No wonder why people across the globe join this online community. To be heard is a great opportunity that some people doesn't even get, so being a member here, we must appreciate this opportunity given to us; we must appreciate this opportunity given to others, whether they are muslims or not. Besides, not all muslims are into terrorism. We can't generalized them all. It maybe hard for them to live knowing that at least half of the world perceive that they are terrorists or that they are out for war, this may create negative emotions that make them say or write things that are quite disturbing to some. But could we blame some of them if ever they have expressed ill feelings because of how they are treated at times? If only we could lift the social stigma of being a muslim, I guess it would somehow help lessen the tension. We don't really need unfair judgments or treatment here in mylot. We respond to discussions because we have something to say, because it interests us, because we care, because we want to give and receive knowledge. It's not about because we judge the discussion itself or the author of it for some reasons. In a social community like this, I think respect and open-mindedness are indeed essential. =)
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
29 Nov 10
I fully agree with you.
My question was to find out when reading people's perceptions of them, do they feel like there is yet another place polluting the public with more false accusations?
It must be so hard waking up to constant negativity.
@ganeshprabhuk (1722)
• India
28 Nov 10
As an individual, everyone has the right to give their opinions so we cant stop them entering into my lot. All muslims are not the same. We can see few of them good also. I have so many friends who are very good. They can also share their opinions about terrorism. We can also invite them to be part of these websites. It may lead to peace and harmony.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
29 Nov 10
I am very happy to see so many people comment in support of Muslims, and all religions, and happy to see Muslims commenting, too, and answering some questions I have.
I may have missed some of the terrorism discussions because I started here long after 9/11. I hope that more people speak out about profiling terrorists. The ones that have gotten most publicity lately have fallen in the Muslim category, which only fuels prejudices further.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
28 Nov 10
I meant, more or less, do they feel welcome? There are a lot of people who don't understand their faith, and make some pretty bad comments about Muslims in general.
This thread has restored my confidence in people treating each other right.
@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
28 Nov 10
As my observation since I joined mylot, everybody have breathe are welcome here regardless of nationality, culture, religion and others only main rules required you can give your discussion and response in English language. About polical or economical or religion issues mylot admin I think can monitor that... welcome and see you around
@mopingz (82)
• Indonesia
28 Nov 10
i'm feeling comfort enough here. as long as there are no racism. i guess that is rhe role of discussion. every discussion, from something silly until something important will be floored here. just control our emotion, end cold minded before you commenting. ^_^
@mustread (224)
• Bulgaria
28 Nov 10
I don't think people on Mylot will throw stones at muslims , we all know that 99,99% of them are peaceful people and that's why i think not only Muslims , but anybody of different religion is welcome and should have the right to speak his/her mind.
That's my theory and point of view.
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
29 Nov 10
It's a great point of view. Thanks for taking the time to post!
@ladybugmagic (3978)
• United States
29 Nov 10
Can you elaborate? And explain the correlation between your comment and the question?