To all the Baptist and Bible experts
By ally12
@ally12 (1202)
Philippines
December 1, 2010 5:26am CST
Since I am a baptist I preferred to ask this question to the group of mylotters with same beliefs of mine but Mylotters of different religion and beliefs are still welcome as I equally want to know also your views.
My question is just simple.In the Bible it says that only God knows the future.So He knew already who will be saved and who will be not.Then why he still created those people that he already knew that they will just end in eternal damnation.
I am not an antiChrist.I want to clarify this before anybody will prejudge me of putting this question.As I have said I am a baptist and I truly believe in God.Let say i just want to learn and expand my understanding of the words of God.
I asked this many times with my father and he answered me many times too.But Im not satisfied with his answer or I am just stubborn to accept his explanations or Im just totally dumb to understand.
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8 responses
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
1 Dec 10
I don't think that even God knows every single detail of the future. I do believe that His concept of and perception of time is different from ours - something like the difference between a musician who is playing a piece note by note and doesn't know what comes next and the composer or the listener who is concerned with the overall 'feel' and 'sound' of a piece rather than each note that each instrument plays.
I believe that God creates in 'hope'. Because He has given us the free will to choose His way (or not), He cannot KNOW what we will choose. He can only lead us to and show us His plan, which is what He is constantly and tirelessly working towards. It is up to us to make the detail of the way the plan becomes a tapestry work. If we botch our work, perhaps the detail may be different but the overall impression will still be glorious, though not through our own efforts.
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@ally12 (1202)
• Philippines
3 Dec 10
Hello owlwings!Sorry for my late reply as I wanted to give you a very good response as I possibly can.I wont believe or dont believe that God has a limited knowledge of His creations so as with our future.As you can see how detailed He was when He created us.Every single part of our body has its purpose and function to keep us alive.
And as I viewed and analyze every comments here I came to this realization.
Yes God Knew our future that is why He sent His prophets to spread His words and His only Son to give His life for our eternal salvation.And in that sense I understood that tho we were judged already and doomed into eternal condemnation still we have a precious chance to twist our fate.And that is where our free will work.We were given the privilege to decide which way to go as He wanted His people to praise Him wholeheartedly and not because we are dictated or operated like robots.
Thanks owlwings.Your contribution are very much appreciated!God bless us all.
@lucas5 (455)
• Sao Paulo, Brazil
1 Dec 10
I think that God gave us the free will to chose between the good and the bad, if He does not have created us, we could not be tasted and know if we are good or bad, we have the opportunity to show that we are good and we can come back and be called His son.
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@rosekiss (30414)
• Eugene, Oregon
2 Dec 10
God knows the end from the beginning, so he does know whether we will accept him or not. It is like teh one users said that we all have been given free will. We all choose whether we want to accept him or not, and in all actuality, God does know which way we will go. Now, I know it seems strange that he woudl still create them anyway, but that is where the free will comes in, and onc they are of the age of accountability, then they choose one way or the other whether they want to be saved or not. It really doesn't make sense why some want to be lost, but only they and God know that one. I want to be saved, that is for sure, and I hope that I will be. Take care, and have a very good day.
@ally12 (1202)
• Philippines
2 Dec 10
Yes I believe on your words.God created us with free will to decide which way we wanna go.But where is His compassion for the lost souls.We could have family or friends destined on the wrong path.Well, rosekiss you will surely be saved once you accepted Him as your personal saviour and lord and I would be greatly happy for you.
Thanks for your words.
@achilles2010 (3051)
• India
2 Dec 10
Let me narrate here a parable from the Bible.
Matthew 13:24-30 (New International Version, ©2010)
The Parable of the Weeds
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
I think this answers your question, "Then why he still created those people that he already knew that they will just end in eternal damnation?"
God did not create them but enemy of God has created them.
@jamed28 (1903)
• Philippines
2 Dec 10
What will happen in the future is not fixed, It can still be change. I do believe that God knows the future and He is giving us the chance to choose what future do we wish us to have. God can almost do anything, but there is one thing that He doesn't want to intervene, it is our WILL. We have our free will to choose do what is right and wrong.
@ally12 (1202)
• Philippines
2 Dec 10
There it is..Now Im starting to understand as I found the word CHANCE in your comment.So I would like to conclude that even our future is already fixed yet He gave us a chance to repent and change the wrong path that was supposedly destined for us.Something sparked in my mind.I remembered the words we are born sinners.So meaning we are all bound in hell.But God gave us chance to discover the way out from eternal curse.I just fervently hope and pray that every believers on earth will do hand in hand to help other people to see the right path.
Thanks Jamed!
@visavis (5934)
• Philippines
2 Dec 10
You know Ally I like your question... here is my simple answer. Yes God knows everything, control everything, love all of us. Yes God knows whose going to save and going to damnation, however those going to damnation (sinner) they will stay in the hell for certain time (God knows only and based on their weight of sin) then God will save them also (as His grace and justice). Meaning hell is a place for sinner to experience their consequency for what they done... after they paid their sin God accepted again them... see you around
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
2 Dec 10
Unlike the so-called experts I will respond to this discussion using Logic! lets say (for the sake of this discussion)that you are a successful business-person. Could you further your business by producing products of inferior quality that were doomed to failure? A good business owner takes great pride in his products, and would never allow the results of his labor to come to naught.
By the same token, Why would God create humans (in his own image and likeness,) and allow them to be inferior, and lost forever? (Perhaps its time to use our heads for something other than a Hat Rack!
@KalakiMahaAvatar (13)
• United States
3 Dec 10
God created man in the beginning, he does not create man anymore, men and women now create men (men/women. And knowing the end from the beginning does not mean you therefore manipulate the results.