Ambiguous discussion -- Your views !
By kalav56
@kalav56 (11464)
India
December 15, 2010 12:47am CST
Everyone makes mistakes. Some people are not fluent in English, some translate from their regional language, some think in their mother-tongue and write the topic in English This can result in wrong descriptions or inapt usage of words. It is basically the fault of the person who started the topic. It is not a crime, nevertheless it is a fault . The person who posted the discussion cannot expect everyone to understand what she/he intended while posting the topic. Some would understand the intent. Many people would understand only what is written. They cannot understand the intent..
These topics can result in ambiguity. If someone points out that the topic was not clear or had been misleading or was prone to misinterpretation there is nothing wrong in admitting it with good grace.
What are your views?
Or am I being ambiguous now?
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20 responses
@allknowing (136100)
• India
15 Dec 10
Don't you remind me about this kala. Not knowing the difference between the word 'topic' and 'discussion' by so many here it gave me the jitters in that I was bombarded with lectures left, right and centre which resulted in my Star plummeting to 9 and rating from 95 to 92!
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi allknowing! How are you? Advance wishes for a very Happy CHristmas and New Year
I just went through this discussion. I too tried searching for the other one where you probably were in favour of the topic being short and sweet.[I could not locate it of course]It is sad that this caused your rating to come down .A similar interchange in one of the discussions provoked this topic today though I was not the participant in this particular context.
@allknowing (136100)
• India
15 Dec 10
The shocking thing was that those who could write good English and perhaps also understand refused to see my point of view. Till then I was doing fine. My Star was 10 just a few months after I joined here and this topic messed it up.
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@allknowing (136100)
• India
15 Dec 10
I tried to locate that topic but could not find it but this particular discussion http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2338285.aspx talks about it. You could go through my response there and see for yourself what exactly the problem was with the word 'topic' and 'discussion'. I had a tough time convincing although those who argued are not those whose English is badbut it had a bad effect on my ratings for not fault of mine.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
15 Dec 10
There is nothing wrong in making little mistakes while writing or speaking in an alien language.But that need not be an excuse to make mistakes.One has to learn to properly use any language that is used frequently.The sad part is that people making the recurring mistakes with the devil may care attitude.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
I agree with you Bala and it is good to see you here again.Actually, in one of the recent discussions, the person who had started the topic had been imprecise and the discussion was prone to misinterpretation by people who would not understand the context.Now, this provoked a bit of an interchange within it and I felt that there was nothing wrong in a person's [the responder and not the person who started the topic]response.Sadly there was no graceful acceptance.THe person who started the discussion stuck to the point made. THis provoked the topic for discussion today.
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@carolbee (16230)
• United States
15 Dec 10
Since not every member speaks fluent English, it can be difficult for some members to write their discussions. When there is no way I can figure out what the member is asking or describing, sadly I have to move on and not respond. But, this has only happened a couple of times since I've been a member myself. Everyone gets an "E" for effort. I also think myLot is a great learning tool for some members. It's a good place to get started and learn. I am all for each member making their best attempt at writing.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi Carolbee! I am just one who admires your handwork and mine stops with Rangoli. I am not good at craft though I used to embroider when I was young. I am also fairly inactive here.Recently I became a grandmother. Now, once again I would get further inactive because there is an imminent shifting of residence.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
17 Dec 10
If a discussion is ambiguous, all the person's friends need do is ask for clarification. I do this a lot. In a real discussion, there is not just a statement and lots of individual comments, but rather a broader interaction. There have been some funny typos on here though, because a little misspelling can sometimes make a word mean the opposite of what was intended.
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@johnpillai (2082)
• Germany
15 Dec 10
I am a Sri Lankan living in Germany for more than 11 years. I had a fair english knowledge when I was in Sri lanka. But after coming to Germany I had a big burden on my head, learning German language. Day and night I had to fight with German language. So I ignored english. Now a days I make lot of spelling mistakes. grammer I have forgotten much. Before I used to think in English and translate it in to german. Now I used to think in German then translate it into English. Most of the time I don't undrestand what USA or europian people are writing. I just skip. But thanks God: I easily understand what my Indian friends write.
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@johnpillai (2082)
• Germany
15 Dec 10
T thing because of the name pillai. There are so many pillais in Sri Lanka. And by the way I am a Tamil. And you?
@meeandnotyou (2548)
• United States
15 Dec 10
If I were to respond to or post a topic that someone did not understand I would simply try to clarify as there are people here from around the world and yet just one language.
I use to have responders when I first started on here that made me scratch my head trying to figure out what they were trying to say, but it is all good as long as there is some thought behind their words and if I was completely stumped I would send a message and ask then post an English version of what they were trying to say.
There is no reason for someone to get upset or angry about it as it is part of life and as you said, "everyone makes mistakes"
Have a great day!!
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
THanks a lot for dropping by and kickstarting the discussion.What you say is true.THere are many people form different countries here and unless our topic or response is absolutely clear there is scope for some small misinterpretation.THere is no need to get upset or be adamant .
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@meeandnotyou (2548)
• United States
15 Dec 10
you are very welcome for the kick start, I am honored to be first among others, lol!
This is a topic that touches a lot of people here as everyone has probably tasted it at least once with the diversity of myLot. I remember back when I first started a few years ago people use to get so upset because everyone did not speak perfect English, punctuation or paragraphs. the paragraphs still mess me up at times as everything runs together, but, such is life in this big city.
Thank you for the response and have a great day.
@lkbooi (16070)
• Malaysia
16 Dec 10
Hi kalav56, I'm here learning language and I started writing in English since I had joined myLot as member four years back. at that time help was needed badly from my loved ones as well as dictionaries, etc. I know sometimes I still would use inappropriate words in constructing sentences. I think if too bother about whether words and phrases using I then could hardly to carry on my post writing here.
If I come across any topic with ambiguous content I either let go the discussion, or I would write something from my own view if I still have something to share with the host. I did learn from the comment left in my response box later what the actual intent the writer was prone to express then
Have a nice day
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@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
17 Dec 10
I have come across topics I had trouble understanding and I sometimes get the gist by reading other’s responses if I am not the first and at other times I’ve had to admit to the discussion starter that I am not clear on what he or she is trying to say. I believe the confusion can happen when folks from non-English speaking backgrounds attempt to make literal translations. I guess it cannot be helped and these MyLotters should be commended for having a go.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
17 Dec 10
I agree Paula that people should be commended for their efforts Paula.Sometimes, when there is confusion and there is a bit of argument about it, it becomes better to look at it objectively isn't it? THat was what I meant.As Kiran had written, people intend something but expression makes it sound different .
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@bodhisatya (2384)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi Kalav,
This is such an interesting and Practical discussion that you brought up today.
Yes, people whose mother-tongue or first language isn't English could certainly find it difficult to coin the appropriate phrase, sentence and even words. If the topic is sensitive like a religious view or pertaining to any sentimental issues wrong choice of words and phrases can cause misunderstandings.
It is very wise to admit one's mistake, not only here at a discussion forum but elsewhere too. There is no end of learning I guess.
Cheers!
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@bodhisatya (2384)
• India
15 Dec 10
So do I. Sometimes the fingers just can't keep pace with the racing mind
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@shibham (16977)
• India
18 Dec 10
Hi kala...
I better know that my english is too poor and negligible, yet i try a lot to improve it my level best. When i write here, a fear always works on my head and heart so that i should not be treated ill for misinterpretation. Sometimes, i can't participate in some discussions where most of my friends are interacting. It hurts me badly so i am applying all my efforts so that no one can laugh at my wordings and i can't stay away being alone in some discussions.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
20 Dec 10
As long as you manage to convey your message Shibham , noone will laugh at you.Even when you have not conveyed it properly, friends will definitely ask you for clarification. DO not worry and you carry on posting discussions and responding to people.Only when some people refuse to accept that they have made a mistake , learning ceases. THat is an individual's problem.You would never have it when you have an open mind and are willing to see what it is.Kiran writes clearly and very well but she herself has accepted what I mean. I too had a similar experience once as what Kiran had pointed out.
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
15 Dec 10
Tickles sometimes, horror sometimes and confusion sometimes. It does happen. Direct translation and accent can do that. Take people from Gujarat, more apt to write "Snakes" for "Snacks", because of the way they pronounce the word. This adds to the color of the discussions. I like it!
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
This is a very obvious mistake and one would understand that it was a simple spelling mistake.WHat I was particularly referring to was the way a person conveys a topic.If it is not clear enough it is prone to misinterpretation. THere is nothing wrong if a person accepts that her/his posting had been slightly prone to this misunderstanding. THis forum has people from all over the world and we cannot expect everyone to understand it in precisely the way we wanted to convey.
I felt that there is nothing wrong in accepting it .A bit of objectivity is needed. Don't you think so?
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@kiran8 (15348)
• Mangalore, India
16 Dec 10
Snakes for snacks LOL...I guess it can happen !
kala, the worst experience I ever had was , during my initial days when I started a discussion with a certain idea, whereas every body gave their own versions without understanding what exactly I was trying to say. But, on analysing I realised that it was my fault for not making myself clear with simple language that everyone could follow. I guess we need to do that, but when mistakes do happen there is also the humor element involved...certain discussions and responses are down right funny !
@Jotomy (6322)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi kala, it is true and i am one best example for that. I will write with what English knowledge i have, but you know kala people of mylot are very good, they will try to understand my language and they will give response. I really appreciate the people over here. They are struggling to understand what i wrote i feel sometimes But never they pointed out what i wrote. They are adjusting with my poor English and the grammar. As you know i am an Indian and Indian English is little different from original English. Some of the US people English i couldn't understand because i don't know their English because i have not trained in their language, what i read and learn only i know. So i may be doing so many mistakes while writing, but unknown. Some times i feel if someone will correct our language how nice, still i can say thanks to the members over here, since i joined mylot i learned how to talk or write English victoriously.
Have a good day Kala.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
Oh dear ! Jo! I wrote a nice long response to you but I posted it after your second post by mistake[your repsonse had been posted twice by mistake or while refreshing. Now it has got deleted.
Essentially, I had written that you are a sweet and humble person and and had also added something more about Standard English[British], American and Indian. There is nothing wrong in making a few mistakes and giving in with good grace is your greatest positive quality.
@Jotomy (6322)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi kala, thanks, actually that was deleted because it was duplicate one, it is not the mistake of mine or the mylot but the mistake of my computer/firefox, it was slow today and when i refreshed it thinking my response not posted then it got replaced again.
Thanks kala for understanding me and the people over here. I feel we must admit our things what we do, nothing wrong in it, i feel our conscious will be happy then.
@ fjaril, You know some of our members from US like our great lady Hately, moonchild etc., and our beloved granny from UK, oldchem, some of their discussion i will not understand i will read twice to understand because i am not that well-versed to English language than them. One example i will tell you the discussion about the language posted by Hately, ( that is actually comments of on about another lady, the way i given response is not matched at all but still she given comments back with the patience and made it correct.
@thanks1961 (7035)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi dear,
This is an important topic and there is too much relevance in the cases of blogging/comments/debates etc carried through a common internet community sites. As English is the common medium and it is accepted and operated internationally with a variety of regions and differently language backgrounds.
All are not good in language, especially in English. As being English is the medium of communication, we require basic knowledge also. Few months back, one Japans/Malaysian friend was commenting that she does a heavy hard work to participate in myLot discussions. First she understand the discussion topic in her own Malaysian language, then she will understand the meaning, think in English, write in English.
In short, she was trying her bet to participate in myLot discussion. Still she was so good in writing and was trying to learn English. I mean to say, I never criticize any one in their writing. I will get the idea on what they are trying to tell. Sometimes due to the regional language sentence structure may not be in the order of English so that the meaning can go wrong.
James killed a snake (Noun/Verb/Object). As this is the order here in English and many other language order may be different and the thinking also depend on the regional language. While translated the regional matter from English, order may get change and the meaning also would change accordingly.
However, here we all are not looking on grammar or sentence structure. Just commenting on the subject with our own view in a simple way of interpretation. This may lack clarity. But which doesn’t mean they are wrong. As all are different in nature it would be lightly difficult to get a uniform culture in the web.
However, there is a locally modified version browser which translates our language in their own language. Below is a link where we can use local language converter and use for someone while preparing their contents. You can download it and make a try. It is fast and working properly. But for your language, I am not sure of it. But do a try and provide your opinion. You can download this browser and implement the exe file. If not like, you can remove it.
http://www.epicbrowser.com/
Thank-s
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
Thanks for the participation.Thankfully, I do not have great difficulty with comprehending English or writing in it. I was not referring to the order of words or grammatical mistakes but some people think of something but present it in a different manner. THis gives rise to misunderstanding. When many people misunderstnad the presentation, the mistake obviously is with the person who started it. Some people can understand it when they know the context .This is what I was particularly referring to. I personally feel that there is nothing wrong in making mistakes or admitting to it.
@thanks1961 (7035)
• India
16 Dec 10
Hi dear,
Yes, Now I got your point. It is not the grammar or English. I was discussing the matter with regard to some of my experience with Eng/grammar.
If I am not mistaken, 2-3 days before there was a topic similar to it. The subject start with an A-grade discussion and ends up in normal. That means, if you want think it is A, it is A and if you can give explanations to it, it is not A. I am not mentioning the individual here, but even I noticed it. I am not sure we are talking about the same topic. But this contradictory topics are there and some are very mean to it to be positive and at the same time they have their own justification too.
Thank-s
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Dec 10
yes kind of fun sometimes. so i dont see why anyone would get mean about it or upset. this being an american/english speaking website, most of us dont know any other language. i dont. so, we need to be patient with people who dont understand whats being said. as for myself, ive never tried to make money from a foriegn based website so see no need to learn the language.
@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
16 Dec 10
btw, i had to look up ambiguous to see what it means. so some of us dont even always understand our own darned language
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
16 Dec 10
In our country many of us do not think of English as an alien language at all moreso because it is our medium of instruction [in many schools].In our days , a lot of importance was given to this too. However, nowadays a stepmotherly treatment is given to this beautiful language and people take all sorts of liberties with it.--[THis is a small digression]
We think alike as far as the issue in hand is.You seem to be a very ni ce person and has no qualms admitting that you do not know something.
@Professor2010 (20162)
• India
11 Jan 11
Hi kala
All here don't have english as their mother tongue, so english of all members may not be equally good or bad, if one can understands a discussion and responds to them it is well and good, it serves the purpose very well..
Thank you so much for this discussion.
Professor ‘Bhuwan’. .
God bless you.
Welcome always.
@starlight_starbright (810)
• Philippines
15 Dec 10
hello kalav56,
You have a point there. I am not a native speaker. I do know how to write and speak English and I even teach the language. But I often find it hard to interpret some expressions that native English use in their discussions. I would tend to interpret it literally and unable to understand the core of the discussion. So if this is the case I choose to skip the discussion and find another one.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
Hi! First of all I thank you for the participation.I am also not a native speaker but I am like you.I teach English and actually I was referring to discussions where the intention and expression of thought are at variance.YOu need not skip this discussion because it had nothing to do with literal and figurative interpretations. Not everyone can understand everything ; infact I just skip topics where I cannot contribute.
@wealthymouli (710)
• India
15 Dec 10
As you said, language is a tool to communicate that is all. Certainly we all can understand if some one who is not strong in English, and communicate with little and broken English. No doubt in it. may be very few times, we will be puzzled and its natural.
@kalav56 (11464)
• India
15 Dec 10
That was what I was trying to say. THese topics are easier to understand when you know the context.People who are unaware of the context need the topic to be reasonably clear because they just won't be able to figure out what the other one is trying to convey.
@chelseabelle (197)
• United States
15 Dec 10
If I was to respond to a topic that someone had posted that I did not understand. I would simply point out the fact that I have difficulty understanding what they are trying to say.
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