Birther Convicted For Refusing Deployment

@anniepa (27955)
United States
December 16, 2010 5:58pm CST
Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin faces imprisonment following his conviction Wednesday for refusing to go to Afghanistan because he questions President Barack Obama's birth. According to the Baltimore Sun he could be sentenced to up to 3 1/2 years in prison and discharged from the Army which would mean he'd lose his annual pay of about $90,000 and his military pension. Birther lawyer Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits on the issue, said limits on Lakin's speech are "are worse than anything I ever saw under the communists in Russia." Lakin said Wednesday he would not refuse deployment now, and said that while he still has questions Obama's constitutional legitimacy as President, "I understand they cannot be answered by the Army." http://www.ptd.net/tiki-index.php Any comments? Do you think Lakin should serve time in prison and lose his salary and pension for what I seriously believe is pure cowardice since he didn't seem to have a problem with the Commander-In-Chief until he faced being put in harm's way? Annie
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
18 Dec 10
Wait, wait, wait just one minute, Lakin now would not refuse deployment! Okay he refused deployment before he could be sentenced to up to 3+ years at the cost of $90K, but now facing such punishment has no problems doing what hundreds of thousands of other military personal has done, being deployed. As to you question, yeah Lakin should serve prison time, just as any other military personal would if they disobeyed an order from their superior. President Obama is the Commander and Chief, get over it. If you have a problem if it, November 2012 is less than two years away and you can vote for someone else.
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• United States
17 Dec 10
If they truely had questions about his citizenship statis why didn't they bring it up when he was first elected? Why wait until they are going to be deployed? Simple..they are looking for an excuse NOT to be deployed. Nothing more. He is getting what he deserves.
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
17 Dec 10
It was an issue long before he was elected, but not in the liberal media.
• United States
17 Dec 10
Oh I know. But I am just saying...if they guy really had issues with it than he should have brought them up the day Obama was elected and not waited til he got deployed. It makes him look like he is just trying to avoid going to war.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
18 Dec 10
It never was and never will be a legitimate issue. Annie
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
17 Dec 10
Yes, I think he should spend time in prison (Hopefully Military Prison) for him refusing to follow orders. I believe it is called being AWOL. I also think he should lose his pay and job after this as well he should be forced to go to a military prison then get kicked out of the Military. He shouldn't of signed up if he wasn't going to follow the chain of command which in this case is Obama you don't have to like him but if you are serving in the Military or anywhere under the Executive Branch he is your boss until either he is kicked out or voted out.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Dec 10
I agree. When someone enlists in the military it doesn't matter whether they like or support the President at any given time. Many of our troops serve or have served under more than one Commander-In-Chief but that didn't mean they could just quit if they weren't satisfied with the results of an election. It's a commitment they make and if they can't stick to that commitment they should pay the consequences! Annie
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
17 Dec 10
I don't know about cowardice. Could have been. Might not have been. The birthers that I've "chatted" with don't seem to be very logical people, and this could have been a bad case of misplaced illogic. Granted Obama's the commander in chief now, but he isn't even the President who sent our troops to Afghanistan. Not to mention that the one thing really doesn't have anything to do with the other (Obama's legitimacy as a citizen, vs the deployment of an officer who swore to serve his country)...
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
18 Dec 10
Excellent points, dawnald. He should have problems with Bush, not Obama, and birthers don't know what logic is in general. Annie
@artistry (4151)
• United States
18 Dec 10
..Hi annie, My thinking is that he has been in the military for a number of years to get to his rank. So my first thought would be, did he have any problem what so ever with W when he was Commander-in-Chief? If not why not? W was alleged to have dodged military service, and disappeared for a year or so, was that not a problem for the patriotic Lt. Col.? Then he gets a new chief whom he has a question about his birthplace or whatever? At that point in time when he had these convictions, why not leave the service and find a private sector job? Would have solved the problem it would seem. Cheers.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Dec 10
Excellent point, why didn't he just leave the service? I think he figured he'd get his fifteen minutes of fame and make some money off the controversy. I'll bet ole Orly tried to lure him into the whole mess. Annie
@k15682 (300)
• United States
17 Dec 10
Annie, according to Yahoo news the coward was sentenced to 6 months in a military prison and dismissal from the military. I was hoping for a stiffer penalty but this will do.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
18 Dec 10
At least he's not getting off completely! My two nephews who served in Afghanistan weren't supporters of President Bush but they still fulfilled their commitment because they'd signed up to serve their country, not a particular President or political party. Annie
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
17 Dec 10
I don't think I would violate the unit I was a part of because of my dislike or own personal beliefs on the President. I don't like him but if I was in the military I wouldn't fight a deployment period because no one lives for ever and well that is what I signed up to do is be the tip of the sword that is used by the Commander and Chief
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@djbtol (5493)
• United States
17 Dec 10
Cowardice, I don't think so. Actually he showed more courage than most people can even dream about. Apparently he is a principled man, that can think, and he knows that if the man in the oval office is not a legitimate citizen, he cannot be commander in chief. There is plenty of reason to doubt obama's status, and as long as obama insists on hiding the truth, there have to be questions. There would be absolutely no reason to 'just trust' obama. So he decided to cave in under the obama-centric justice system. Unless I had the guts to take the stand he did, I'm not sure I would call him a coward.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Dec 10
I must respectfully disagree. For the most part the birther movement is just another fringe group who refuses to accept the fact that Obama is our President, for whatever reason. Some otherwise intelligent, sensible people who can think have gotten pulled into this kornspiracy. Anyway, this isn't about President Obama but about this particular soldier who tried to get out of deployment but realized he didn't have a leg to stand on and ended up pleading guilty. What would happen if all of our military members, or even a relatively small percentage of them followed this man's example, where would we be, who would defend and protect us? Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Dec 10
I agree! Annie
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
17 Dec 10
This guy is in direct violation of the Uniform Military Code of Justice and I hope he was tried under their laws and not civs laws. (didn't follow the link to read more on the story) I would go as far to say coward but he was told to do a job and he signed a lot of his rights to disagree when he signed up for the Military. I am glad to see our justice system isn't going to let yellow bellies try to wiggle their way out of combat. Patton would of slapped this guy silly. I hope you get the reference. "You're going back to the front, boy. You may get shot, and you may get killed, but you're going back to the fighting. Either that, or I'll stand you up before a firing squad. Why, I ought to shoot you right now, you... "
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• United States
17 Dec 10
Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin has deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan under other United States Presidents. I see it as a far stretch to call Lt.Col Larkin a coward. He is a honorable decorated medical surgeon. He has faithfully served his country for seventeen years.Lt.Col.Larkin was denied discovery at his trial.He was blocked from presenting his case. His sentence has been reduced according to the evening news.If he repeals it is my understanding he can not again be denied discovery.Have to wait to see the rest of the story.
@djbtol (5493)
• United States
17 Dec 10
Yes, I thought he had already served. And it is true that the judge just did the typical liberal thing and declared end of discussion. Judge did not want to be politically incorrect.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
18 Dec 10
I didn't know there were "typical liberal" military judges. Annie
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
17 Dec 10
typical liberal thing? Is that kinda like the typical Republican thing?
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
17 Dec 10
I can't say he's a coward, but he should have done his duty whether or not he agreed with the whereabouts of Obama's birth. It shouldn't be about the president, but about duty to the constitution.
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@diamania (7011)
• Netherlands
17 Dec 10
You guys are speaking tough language but when you guys would be deployed in times of war you'd refuse too. Not because you disagree with the president but because you'd be afraid to die there. Same for me, no chance in hell I'd accept deployment to a country where the only goal there is to shoot Taliban people to smithereens resulting in more terrorism. If people in a country want to kill each other let them do that, who gives a dang. Would be much more beneficial to the peace of the western world if we'd fight against extremist Islam. Check my country, Mosques are build as though it's a lego building and our typical Dutch culture is decaying as per the simmering frog principal. Same is currently evolving in USA. Before you know it all churches are turned into mosques with immense megaphones to call to prayer, six times a day while all Non-Muslims are slowly but surely killed. Is that the future you want your children to grow up in? Tell your political representative to put this on the agenda. Because before you know it you have to deploy soldiers in your own country to prevent it from sinking like the titanic...
@diamania (7011)
• Netherlands
17 Dec 10
(Yes I am well aware of the typos, what do you expect from an angry 19-year-old, non-native English speaker, who has to learn English outside of school because immigrants have ruined the education quality and yes please call me racist... )