Human Rights...Who Deserves It?

Singapore
December 17, 2010 2:48am CST
I do not or have anything against Human Rights but of late I just cannot fathom what is going on with the lawmakers and authorities. Like this news article of an Iraqi asylum seeker who had an extended list of run ins with the law since 2002. Especially, driving without a valid license and insurance - thanks to his repeated defiance, it led to the death of a 12 year old girl. Because of his defiance and obstinate inability to adapt to the present society - he killed an innocent young child. Yet, the authorities does not see that such an individual who cannot fit into the present community (who has been arrested for driving illegally, substance possessions, harassment and even ROBBERY) could actually be given human rights and be allowed to remain in the country. I just cannot help to ask here - "What is it with this world?" Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339142/Iraqi-asylum-seeker-Aso-Mohammed-Ibrahim-let-girl-12-die-right-stay-UK.html
6 responses
@xkenzo (56)
• Singapore
17 Dec 10
I think everyone deserve rights. But with rights, there is responsibilities, and if you are not responsible, there is the law. If you're not responsible for your own behavior, you rights may be lesser, or it might be taken away from you.
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• Singapore
17 Dec 10
xkenzo, My exact sentiments here, especially the part where you mention about rights being lesser accorded or even withdrawn when one perpetually misbehaves or defiant. But, we just do not see that happening here in this article and the particular country mentioned. This person is definitely out of line and mind you, he is a refugee but a problematic one.
• Singapore
18 Dec 10
xkenzo, I don't think the courts in this particular country could do anything when the authorities are allowing Human Rights undermine established and institutionalized laws. To see this happening in such a developed country is just utterly disappointing and frightening. Also, I have to recall how this country went about "introducing" human rights to a developing country - China. What a joke?
@xkenzo (56)
• Singapore
17 Dec 10
I totally agree with you that this person is out of line and I'm really surprise that human rights were being used in such an way that i find unreasonable. I find that the court is not being fair to the victim's family
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
17 Dec 10
To me, "human rights," as a complete ideologicalesque concept, is more of a way of saying "we can be better than you and we're going to prove it," and it often backfires by allowing for atrocity to happen simply so one can take the higher position of morality. To that end, I always ask what it's worth to people to do that - to believe in treating everyone "humanely" (realize the definition is relative), regardless of how wrong/bad/evil they are. What's it worth to take harsh interrogation off the table? What's it worth to decide to treat a BAD PERSON with kindness and basically enable them to hurt someone else? Does it help one sleep better at night? Does it send a positive image to the rest of the world that, despite how many times your face is spat in, you will not throw a punch? What's it worth? I don't think it makes a better society. I see the exact opposite. I guess, in the end, some people would rather feel good with a sense of clean hands than to act harshly when warranted. Their conscience reconciles things differently than mine, for example, and living on high ground is the great cleanser. For me, well, I'm more of an eye-for-eye kinda guy, and I believe some people deserve to be treated as they treat others. To this case in particular, the "humane" thing is to let him face justice and not live on the lam.
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• Singapore
17 Dec 10
matersfish, I think you would agree with me that every decent human would definitely deserve rights accorded to him/her. It is not a matter of worth but an assurance that everyone under the sun will be treated humanely and equally. And it is this basic right that is winning people to believe in the law and uphold democracy. But, there are some individuals like this asylum seeker that blatantly disregard the rights of other people and most of all, the people in the country he seeks refuge. So, shouldn't his rights be withdrawn and consider repatriating him back to his former country?
• United States
17 Dec 10
Yes. Everyone certainly deserves rights. But at some point, depending on what you do, you forfeit some of those rights. I think this guy has definitely forfeited his, and it's time for him to go home and face the music. I don't even get how it's a human rights issue anyway. It's more a law and order issue. He's trying to flee. Any human rights side of it should stick up for the victims he's created.
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• Singapore
18 Dec 10
matersfish, You've really hit it on the nail here. This person has really gone completely out of line and his total disregard of others' rights has resulted another person's life. And, like you I just do not see his crime or rather CRIMES could be overlooked here. Besides, I have to say that it is absolutely unthinkable to see a country letting human rights overstepping the established and institutionalized penal code. I suppose we now know how Lady Justice's blindfold came about and I just feel sorry for the parents of this deceased young girl. Sad, isn't it?
@Netsbridge (3253)
• United States
17 Dec 10
Skysuccess, I do not think this case has to do with huiman rights: The case appears to be a case of US laws and US legal procedures.
• Singapore
18 Dec 10
Netsbridge, I am sorry but I have to highlight to you that this is a UK case where the laws are being messed up by her Human Rights Act. You may want to check on the article again. Read again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339142/Asylum-seeker-Aso-Mohammed-Ibrahim-let-girl-12-die-stay-UK.html
• India
18 Dec 10
I felt that the asylum seeker cannot appeal to 'human right' to stay in the UK. Human right are not like any other kind of right. It's rather meant for some basic right as human being. " By virtue of belonging to human species I want to continue to stay in the UK..." to me this argument sounds nonsense. I also think if a man does or will not conform his ways to the legal demand of any country he should be put to jail, provided the laws are not framed arbitrarily but rather based on the requirement of the people specially set up by democratic institutions.
• Singapore
19 Dec 10
headhunter525, My exact sentiments here. In the first place, he should be fully aware that he is an asylum seeker and that he is a subject of the country's sovereign laws. I just cannot accept his blatant and repeated defiance, treating his host country like his kingdom. Also, it is shocking to learn that he is a family man with children in tow and what he did is both unthinkable and plain irresponsible. I mean, how could he not see that his children can be killed by people like him? I suppose due consideration is out of the window for this pathetic idiot. Really sad, isn't it?
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
17 Dec 10
This man seams very bad. It is terrible to drive without in insurance and a valid driving license. He killed a 12 year old girl with his dangerous driving. He is a Iraqi asylum seeker so he should go to jail and then go back to his home country: Iraq. If the man that behaved well they would have been able to keep him. The people that need human rights and normal asylum seekers. Also the starving people in countries that need aid.
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• Singapore
18 Dec 10
maximax8, I really have to ask the exemplary western world if this is what Human Rights is all about. A right that can wipe a perpetrators heinous acts and/or crimes? No wonder, it had failed so miserably and made the rest of the world hesitant to take up after government like this country. I really feel sorry for the deceased and her parents. Most of all, I suppose from this episode, we know where Lady Justice's blindfold came from. Sad, isn't it?
@dorannmwin (36392)
• United States
20 Dec 10
As far as basic human rights, I don't think that there is anyone alive that doesn't have a right to them. However, where there are people that have committed crimes, I think that there are some of the more extended rights that we think of as human rights that should be taken away from a person. I think that the fact that felons aren't allowed the right to vote is a good example of a human right that can be taken away from a person when they've committed a crime.
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