he's not OUR nutjob

I will cut to the chase on this one. Republicans and right wingers only attract two types of voters: Viciously greedy, or mentally disabled. They prey on sheeple, such as the overly religious, or the lunatics. This is the fault of the right wing.

hi jb ye old blue bunny I am coming into this discussion sort of blind as I have not heard the news for several days. So am not up on tragic events of the last few days. Was ill partof the week and busy mylotting restof the time.I know that I am not a violent deranged person and I support animal rights movement but I will not go out and cause wars over it. So I gather some person or persons who were really deranged had to do with some animal rights movement?And I have no desire to prove a nutcase is against cruelty to puppies or other animals. If he or sne is nuts, they probably are even more nuts who how could I prove anything at all about them, nor do I ev en want to. help. I really do' not know just what or who we are talking about? lol[

Nutjobs tend to attach themselves to whatever organization is getting the most publicity. Publicity draws them like flys. If the organization they are drawn to is performing any violent or illegal acts, those acts tend to serve as affirmation for their own feelings. I can't really speak for your country but here in the US, animal rights activists have often trashed laboratories and destroyed expensive scientific equipment. they are also not adverse to doing physical harm to people who may be in the labs. Obviously, their goal is to prevent experimentation on animals. But the unstable personality sees their actions and the publicity incurred by those actions as an affirmation of violence and that attracts them. They don't really care much about the animals. They just want to get in on the chance to destroy some property or bash some heads. I'm also sympathetic to the animal rights cause BUT my support stops short of destroying private property, injuring watchmen on duty etc. It's important that all organizations ,including political ones, act and speak responsibly. If they do not, they will loose the support of all but the most unstable and violence will abound.

Great analogy, jb! Maybe I was wrong to word my discussion about yesterday's tragic events the way I did, but I wasn't trying to actually "blame" any particular group or individuals other than the deranged gunman himself. However, I DO think this can be a teaching moment for us all. Here in the U.S. we have free speech and I wouldn't change that for anything in the world. However, with rights come responsibilities, don't they? We can't holler, "FIRE!" in a crowded theater for obvious reasons. Criticizing or even simply mentioning something one or two people from the right said or did isn't the same as either blaming those one or two of anything OR criticizing everyone else from the right. Annie

Stereotyping can be funny, but you have to be aware of the fact that it's stereotypes. Else they have a tendency to ruin discussions. There's been quite a lot of discussion about fur farms in Norway this year. I say discussions, but they're not really discussing anymore since they once for fur farms have libeled the other side as radical gangsters that break in and ruin things, and the anti fur people mean that everyone in the pro camp are monsters. I have a friend who usually is very left and for most forms of civil inobedience (if that's the right term), but can't see how anyone can break into a fur farm. Quite amusing really. As for nutjobs, they've been touring Britain, looking for filling their houses with royalty memoriabilia. They're definitly your nutjobs, but I won't take it so far that I'll accuse you of having 250 different mugs with Prince Charles on just because you live on the same island.