the interests and rights of women on veils and headscarves
By advokatku
@advokatku (4033)
Indonesia
January 9, 2011 4:07pm CST
In France, recent there a debate about the veils and headscarves of women. By reason separation between state and religion, Muslim women prohibited wearing headscarves and veils in public places such as schools or government agencies.
Meanwhile, in Arab countries or countries that apply Islamic law, women must forced to wear headscarves and veils in public places.
For me, those who ban or forced headscarves - veils, in the name of secularism or not, actually those has been do abuse against women rights. They did not hear the interests and rights of women.
what your opinion, friends ?
1 person likes this
4 responses
@Rysonia (310)
• United States
9 Jan 11
*sighs* They are seriously using separation of church and state as a way to force women not to wearing an article of clothing to cover there hair or face? That isn't separation of anything that is quite honestly discrimination.
While I may not agree with all Arab countries, I do understand that Religious governments are quite a bit different from secular governments such as France or the United States. They are in essence following the law as laid out b the very form of Government in mandating women be veiled. Secular Governments discriminating against women by forcing them to not allow to wear hair coverings is another matter entirely. Are they refusing Christians the right to wear crosses? Pagans the right to wear symbols of their faith? Buddhists the right to wear... whatever their clothing is called? Or are they only discriminating against Muslim women? Pot meet kettle anyone?
1 person likes this
@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
9 Jan 11
"That isn't separation of anything that is quite honestly discrimination."
Exactly. Separation of Church and State isn't about telling individuals that they can't wear clothing of their religious or cultural customs. It's about what the government can or can't make citizens do. It's about the government not being able to people what religion they have to follow.
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
9 Jan 11
hello ,
I am not against women wearing veil and scarfs on public places,it is their right.
But,if the government/country rules and policy runs that way...we are not in any position to argue,but follow.
Like in some part of middle east where women are forced to wear veils and scarfs..not just a simple headscarfs but no single strand of hair must be seen...if that country is imposing such law by forced...don't you think it is also against human rights ...for women who doesn't wear veils/scarfs but are forced to do so.
Same thing with country that doesn't allow women to wear veils/scarfs...let there be respect for each country's law and policy.
@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
9 Jan 11
This is from an American perspective, so this may not apply in every country. But, I don't believe citizens aren't in any position to argue about the law. Yes, I should obey the law. But, if I feel a law is unjust, I am not only in the position to argue, but I have the right to protest them. Again, I can only speak for the United States, because I have never been anywhere else. But, my own life would be much different, and for worse if certain laws hadn't changed before I was born. And why did those laws change? Because some people did not roll over and say they couldn't argue about the law. I'm not saying people shouldn't obey the law. Unless it's an immoral one - people who helped slaves escape in America were breaking the law. And, I think they did EXACTLY the right thing. But, even while you're obeying a law you can still work to change it. And, some of that comes with arguing. With having a voice.
Now, I don't know enough about Muslim countries to voice an opinion on mandatory wearing of veils. But, I can voice an opinion on women being told they can't wear it. I think that's wrong. Like someone else in the thread said, if Christians can wear crosses because of their faith, why shouldn't Muslims be allowed to dress according to their faith?
1 person likes this
@Angelwriter (1954)
• United States
9 Jan 11
Where was it said that this was about foreigners? I didn't see anything about that in the original post. Am I not getting all the information?
1 person likes this
@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
9 Jan 11
hello Angel,
You are right,as a citizen in your country you can always voiced out and argue.
I also did same thing here in my country,i have all my rights as a citizen of my country.
But we are talking about foreigners...if you are visiting other country...you need to follow their law,culture and beliefs...that is what i am referring about.
@cachalot (60)
• Australia
10 Jan 11
Hello advokatku. In my opinion, no Government has the right to interfere in the customs of ANY women, whether they be in their own country or in a foreign country, whether they are citizens or visitors to a foreign country. Governments are all too ready to enact rules and regulations in all countries, when in fact what people wear is none of their business. A governments only true purpose is to maintain security, provide national defence, and maintain adequate police protection.
As for the Muslim women in France, hands off government! It is the right of Muslim women (and no doubt their families) to decide if they will wear or dice the veil. Have you ever heard of freedom of choice? Americans should know, from their wonderful Constitution, that freedom of choice is the right of all individuals. It is, or should be, a right that all libertarians and civil rights people should adopt.
@henkiprananda (2729)
• Indonesia
10 Jan 11
I have a question to you.what is your choose, the freedom of rights or obligations of religious? because in the Islamic obligation of a leader is to guide his people according to religion.
