" If you have not accpted Jesus as the Savior, you are not my brother ."
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
United States
January 19, 2011 9:17am CST
Newly elected Alabama governor Robert Bentley said this at a church!and then he said he wants to " make everyone lives better." It implies that all the non Christian citizens will not be represented Unless they are Christian! I hope he didn't mean it that way.If all of a sudden only Christians are 1st class citizens and all others are 2nd, then there will be a fight. Unlike Nazi Germany, there are eyes on anything this bias and they have a place to voice their opposition! Whenever someone says I Have to a Christian or else, I say Ok, I pick Or else! Now what? If you just walk away , that's fine.But if you suddenly say I am a second class citizen , I will fight you all the way to the Supreme Court. So I guess if you Want a christian Only state or country , prepare for a fight! Your thoughts.
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@Blacksun310 (559)
• Philippines
19 Jan 11
Having different religions is normal in a country. Christians and non-Christians are different in some ways. The each person worship their own belief. Every religion believes that their beliefs are true. That is why and how people differ from each other spiritually. It is fine for me what did the governor say in a Christian Church. Everyone might be doing it. I think.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jan 11
The problem is the implication that one Must be Christian to be a recognized citizen of Alabama.That somehow now that he is in office all non Christians have a choice , either become Christian or what? will they be forced out? Jailed? What?
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@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
21 Jan 11
Kinda sexist too, I mean I wouldn't be his "brother" in any case. He's an idiot, and if he actually tried to pass some laws that discriminated against non-Christians, I would hope that people would fight him all the way to the Supreme Court (also vote him OUT).
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jan 11
I know one, freedom to disregard ant G-d. I don't think G-d would write in any of His religions that a person has the right Not to follow Any of them and Still be protected by law.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
They're still mixing a lot of religion into their politics in Iran.
What values can you name which are not in any way religious and therefore can be imposed on the people by a non-religious government? Freedom of choice - no I think God likes that. Helping the poor - definitely not! Making murder illegal - no that's in the 10 commandments!
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
20 Jan 11
Church and state should always be separate. They do not mix. If one is in politics then he will need to keep his religious views to himself when acting in a political manner. If one is religious then he should keep his political views to himself when acting in a religious capacity.
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
I don't have a problem with someone having strong moral views or helping people but religion can be a problem. As you know there are thousands of religions with contradicting beliefs. So if one is going to be a leader in the community he cannot push his religious views on others. That's why I say that religion should be taught in the home and in places of worship and not in schools. Schools can teach tolerance and accommodating and respecting different religious views but not any religion in particular.
There are thousands of contradicting Christian religions and that's why it is best for it to be kept out of the governmental arrangement.
Sorry but church and state cannot mix!
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@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
For your next trick, separate electrical energy from magnetism or space from time?
Don't you want politicians to have strong moral views and stand up for what is right?
You can't not have a religion. Your religion is the sum of your moral views and beliefs about the paranormal. Therefore atheism and agnosticism are religions.
Politics and religion are impossible to separate. If a Christian leader has some bright idea about how to help his poor subjects, should he not do it because helping the poor is part of Christian teaching?
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
19 Jan 11
That is why I do support the seperation of religion and state. I think that everyone has the right to their religous beliefs but I will not be forced either. I will not have a person that puts their pants on the same way that I do every morning say that I am less or wrong for not following their example...no matter what that means. Even if I believed the exact same thing they did...I would not show them agreement if they stood in front of people and acted as though their way was the only way and anyone else was less.
I think that sometimes people take a good thing and make it in to what they need it to be. I think that by standing in front of people and stating that just goes to show that he is not the "christian" that he claims to be anyway. Ewwww...that burns me a new one.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jan 11
Me too. I first was livid . But now? Knowing that he tip his hand . The ACLU and a focus group that looks into the mistreatment of Jews is watching him , I feel better. I was ready to boycott Alabama and help get all the non Christiand out of the state! When I heard this , I first thought of Nazi Germany and how it started slowly and then grew!But it won't happen here.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jan 11
I'm 8 minutes away from the big fun, D.C., in Northern VA. This is why I know when politicians are lying, when their mouths are open ,lol!! This statement angered and then scared me for about 10 minutes! Then I thought of all of us who strongly disagree will stop him before he starts. Exposure is a Wonderful thing!
@JenInTN (27514)
• United States
20 Jan 11
I live in Tennessee and for a short time I lived in Alabama too. It is the norm in these areas to be "devoted" so to speak. They don't call this the "bible belt" for nothing..I'll tell you that..lol. Religion is a pretty strong persuader for some when it comes to the vote. I think it should be more based on what they do for the people and not what they say about people.
What part of the US are you in?
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
23 Jan 11
The statement given, and the claims you made, don't seem to add up. You seem to be implying many things that are not eluded to in the statement.
" If you have not accpted Jesus as the Savior, you are not my brother ."
That is a theologically sound statement, reflected in Biblical belief.
Where in that statement did he claim he intended to make non-christians second class citizens, or push for a Christian-only state?
I think you are getting a little worked up over nothing. It's not like he was saying it was the duty of Christians to slaughter non-christians like some Islamists have said.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
23 Jan 11
He wouldn't say that. but that does not mean he wouldn't Want to do it. The statement is fine if he were a regular citizen or a preacher but he is a governor of a state! i don't think he meant it the way it came out but... Many people would never believe that Germany would fall into Nazi rule! It by baby steps. I'm glad He said what he said so All o us can see Exactly what he meant.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
23 Jan 11
No I am not. I am equating people who say they are christian but then turn around and try to force me and others to become Christians. I Know Jesus could and Can take No for an answer, But these bullies can't. Real Christians are not tyrants.I am not anti religion. I'm against loosing fromm of choice. i Choose not to be Christian , period. I really don't care about the history , I am interested in the present. As long as non Christians are treated As well , not Better, as Christians here in the United States , I'm fine.
@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
19 Jan 11
Mr Bentley's idea of "making everyone's life better" may, unfortunately, involve making sure that everyone subscribes to his particular brand of Christianity. He very likely genuinely believes that, if you haven't accepted Jesus into your heart, you haven't taken advantage of the benefits and blessings that God has freely offered.
This argument is paralleled by the one that says "The Government offers benefits to those in particular need (unemployment and housing benefits, for example). If you choose not to apply for them, you are rejecting the Government's offer to make things better for you." Of course, the difference is that the Government makes the information and the benefits available but you aren't pressured or made to feel a second class citizen or less of a member of your nation if you don't take up the offer.
I haven't seen the reports of this speech, so it's hard to determine whether what you say is actually what Mr Bentley intended to convey or whether it is an inference drawn by an unsympathetic media source. I have so often seen articles which report such statements 'selectively' and even take quotations from it and juxtapose them completely out of context.
If Mr Bentley really intended to convey that he would not represent all American citizens in his State equally, then I think that he should take time out to re-read the American Constitution!
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
19 Jan 11
I meant to point out (after my first paragraph) that I don't believe that Jesus considered anyone as 'not His brother' - whether they accepted Him or not. In fact, His parables and His actions would suggest that He considered EVERYONE to be His brother (or sister).
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
19 Jan 11
I suppose that it's significant that the statement was made in a church (I still haven't had access to the report or to the speech itself). I guess that a guy who is in a bubble suddenly finds himself having to relate to others outside the bubble, he is in a quandary.
I would probably agree with you that MOST American Christians are relatively harmless. Some of the ones we see here (and in other forums) are NOT representative. The same goes for politics, of course.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 Jan 11
American religion, as it pertains to politics, has little to do with anything "Jesus."
By and large, the hardcore Christians are a peaceful bunch. But they're still extremely particular about whom they'll associate with. A lot of them are in a bubble. Other than a touch of intolerance, though, they seem to be harmless. I don't see where it spills out into the public via policy that much anymore.
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
7 Feb 11
way to alienate your voting base,dude.
i bet anybody that is of a different religion that just voted for him is having second thoughts.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
7 Feb 11
And is watching him like a hawk. One false move and he will be out.There will be protests or a class action suit by the ACLU.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
20 Jan 11
Right in the Bible Belt too...Imagine that. Lets see, we have the muslims in the midwest, Texas, Michigan, NYC, Mass, etc. We have the christians in the Bible Belt and elswhere. When does the war start...I need to know when and where so I can move out of the way in time.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jan 11
I need to know so I can help make the underground railroad to get Non Christians to safety.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
sarahruthbeth22, are you more frightened of the Christians or the Muslims? Why?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jan 11
Neither! Real Christians and Muslims don't try to get me to become what I am not.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
20 Jan 11
If this is what Gov Robert Bentley said then it is he who has to make his own life better. Even before Jesus incarnated on Earth there have been hundreds of incarnations of God who were born to help the suffering people and rescue them from the miseries of this worldly life.All religions have the incarnations of God as their founders and their main aim was the upliftment of mankind.All religions carry the same message but it is their followers who start differntiating and create tussles,fights and wars, with each one saying that his religion is superior than the others.It is time that people understood that there is only one God and the different incarnations are nothing else but a part of him. So Gov Bentley should retract his statement otherwise he will have to face the wrath of his subjects.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jan 11
Not his subjects but others who see his statement as bias and dangerous.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jan 11
Graptopetalum, all religions teach tolerance. There is one Being and many names and forms. One Superior Being with as many forms needed to teach as many people as possible.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
veejay19 - you are expressing beliefs that are contrary to my religion and saying that I am very wrong in believing that God has only one incarnation! I think if you bothered to study, even several religions, you will discover that they don't all teach the same thing.
@alottodo (3056)
• Australia
20 Jan 11
I always believe that religion and civil government should be separated...one has nothing to do with the other...if any one has her/his own belief that is their own choice.... the government is there to protect the country and it's citizends not to preach religion!.
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jan 11
These days it is special interest groups. Granted some could be religious but for a politician to remain in office , he/she has to follow the money.
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
So if those in government shouldn't be led by their own consciences and moral values, on what grounds should they make decisions?
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
20 Jan 11
I read about this words from yahoo. This is speech of the so called governor of Alabama.
This man did not think what he must say to the public. He forget about the constitutions where he should follow as a ruler or governor.
What he thinks about himself. He's religion is the true religion? In fact if he really read the bible. His religion did not found in the bible...
He must be thinking wise is such particular cases. Because it will make people around that state being fear of discrimination to other religions...
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
25 Jan 11
His religion did not found in the bible, my friend. Even if you read the bible from the beginning to end...
The different from his religion from the bible is that. He is a personalities claiming to be in good religion. While the bible is a holy scripture that teach where to find the true religion to belong too...
If you still not convince to my explanation. Just read the bible and if you found that all religion are belong to our Lord Jesus Christ...tell me what verse in the bible you find it...
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
Can you explain how the Governor's religion differs from the Bible, I don't know much about him?
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
21 Jan 11
That's fine but if you were in office , would you Purposely disregard the needs of non Christians?
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
ebuscat - Doesn't John 1:1 say "... the Word [Yeshua] was God."
What do you think Yeshua meant when he said, "Before Abraham was, I am"?
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
If he'd said, "Biologically speaking most people aren't my brothers," would there have been an objection? This is pretty much stating the obvious. I don't even know if he has any biological brothers. We'll probably expect the governor to have a somewhat different relationship with his biological brother than with most other people but we'd still expect him to try to do his job for the benefit of all in his state.
As has been pointed out by others, the governor's statement was Biblically correct.
The Bible says, "Love your neighbor as yourself." Therefor the governor should treat all well, even if they're not his brothers.
I really think people are overreacting.
How would people react if he wasn't a Christian and made some statement to the effect that those who didn't follow his religion weren't "his brother"? Would there have been the same sort of fuss?
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
23 Jan 11
I would if he were an elected official and went on to say he Wants Everyone to be his brother. It implies that somehow he will use his office to make all the people who are not of his religion join .
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
24 Jan 11
It also implies that he will disregard any person who isn't of his religion.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
19 Jan 11
I don't know if we should take that as not representing people who aren't Christians, but I agree with the rest of your post.
Furthermore, for a Christian, he doesn't seem to know his Bible teachings very well. Christ never once said that only those who accept Him as their savior are brothers... in fact, one of the few things He said with perfect clarity is that we are all brothers.
I think the first requirement of accepting Christ's teachings should include accepting what He taught. ;~D
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 Jan 11
I'd heard about this jerk on the news and in my opinion, someone like him had no business running for office or having any involvement in politics! He obviously has no knowledge of the Constitution or of what his duties as governor should be.
If I lived there, I'd already be campaigning against him and if they have a recall law in Alabama I'd be trying to get a movement going for that.
Annie
@Graptopetalum (1807)
• Canada
23 Jan 11
I don't know the context or what he meant by it. Biblically speaking, it does make sense.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
19 Jan 11
If he governs in the way that people "aren't his brothers" unless they're subscribing to the exact same religion he is, then it's obviously a problem.
However, this seems more like a guy trying to win favor with Christians by acting devoutly religious.
I'm so cynical of politicians that I honestly don't believe they believe in any "god," or at least they're not interested in living up to holy principle. They only try to convice the god-fearing bloc they are.
The "you are not my brother" line isn't really an implication of anything other than you, me, and anyone else not subscribing are no brothers of his. To that, my simple response is so what?
I don't need to be the guy's brother. Who does? And if he's planning on catering to only those he considers brethren, he's a schmuck and should be out of there.
He's probably a schmuck anyway, despite comments like these.
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@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
20 Jan 11
this may be the best thing to happen to non Christians in Alabama. Now there are groups looking to see how they are treated. This faux pas may save civil rights in Alabama. He could have said nothing but governed like Christians are the only citizens that matter.
@mythociate (21432)
• Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
20 Jan 11
That is not the statement of a man-of-God, but of a man-of-church or man-of-mankind.
I understand, as Lord Jesus Christ separates Our Father's flock from Our Father-in-Law's flock ; but the Myo- (divine command) outweighs that of anyone humanity can name.
The closest we can get to godliness is to follow the one who is most-godly; this dude I heard about who was convicted, executed and reborn. Maybe that's what he meant when he said 'Christian' (whether he knew it or not)---'a family-member of The Anointed.'