Baptism of children is ridiculous and false! Agree / Disagree?

@rifnee (1713)
Indonesia
January 22, 2011 4:08am CST
Baptism of infants and children were otherwise inconsequential is misleading, because it is not biblical. People should only be baptized if the person is able to show that he was faithful. How could a child or infant can show she was faithful? To talk alone was not enough. Read the bible from beginning till the end, no one verse that support or include the child or infant baptism. Do those who perform baptism of children / babies, really just wanted to play safety course, if something happens with the minimum child has to passport and visa entry permit into heaven. Though baptism will not be able to save the child / infant. It's called "pure deception"!
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
22 Jan 11
Since I'm not a religious person, I'm not too concerned with the implications of baptism. But as far as I can see, this is a harmless thing. They hold the baby, dump some water on baby, say words around baby. It's less taxing for the child than ramming a bottle into its mouth. So it's a tradition that's really victimless as far as I can tell. If I was a baby and had to make a call when it comes to "tradition," I would choose baptism over circumcision!
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@rifnee (1713)
• Indonesia
26 Jan 11
choose baptism over circumcision, Perhaps one alternative to replacement.lol
• India
22 Jan 11
love that thought... choose baptism over circumcision ;) Cheers!
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• United States
22 Jan 11
Many may argue you that fact, on the count of their belief, me personally I agree with you a hundred percent, but if it was up to me I would, I call it the " it was the thought that count procedure". Hey you at least tried, i mean there gotta be some kind of good deed for attempting I would say. Another point of argue is the whole "God knows your future before it happens" so you can kinda say he wanted it to happen so in that case no one is at falut even if were wrong in OUR eyes for doing so. Think about it.
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@rifnee (1713)
• Indonesia
22 Jan 11
Okay, I understand about your opinion, I do not intend to do in this debate, I just want to get insight from other people about this case, because the principle of each person is different. Have a nice day, God bless u. .. my friend.
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@jhartana (1084)
• Australia
23 Jan 11
As a devoted Christian, to be honest I don't see something wrong with it. I was surprised when most people here tend to disagree with baptism of baby and children. I do agree that they still too young to understand however it's only ritual. Just my opinion and I respect those who disagree. Everyone has different view.
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@jhartana (1084)
• Australia
23 Jan 11
Correction: As a devoted Christian, to be honest I don't see something wrong with it. I was surprised when most people here tend to disagree with baptism of baby and children. I do agree that they still too young to understand however it's only ritual. Just my opinion and I respect those who agree thinking that it is ridiculous. Everyone has different view.
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@la_chique (1498)
22 Jan 11
I would never baptise my infant baby into any religion. What I plan on doing instead is approaching ministers and leaders of as many different faiths as possible, and asking them to write a religious message to my child, blessing them in their own religion, then when the child is old enough, I will give them the book, and tell them that they are allowed to follow whichever faith they choose to, and that its OK not to have a faith if they find that they do not believe in the teachings of any religion. After attending a christian baptism lately, I was actually appalled that the unmarried, non-religious parents were forcing this upon their 3 month old baby, and was even more disgusted as I was reading along with the sermon that they perfomed an 'exorcism' on the baby to absolve it of its sins. For goodness sake, its a little baby, done absolutely nothing wrong in its entire life, and was already being "absolved of sin". Absolutely ridiculous. All I could do was sit there and watch. Didnt join in with the prayers, or sing any of the songs. It all felt rather cult-y and like everyone was chanting along. All I felt that was missing were pitchforks, and a fire to dance around.
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@deebomb (15304)
• United States
22 Jan 11
Infant baptism is not mentioned in the bible.
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• United States
23 Jan 11
"Infant baptism is not mentioned in the bible." Neither is myLot, but we all still use it.
@la_chique (1498)
22 Jan 11
Sorry, forgot to add though, that you are incredibly wrong when you say that the bible does not mention baptism. It does an awful lot. I mean the christian bible anyway. St John the Baptist baptised Jesus remember, and there are many many instances of people being baptised right throughout the bible. The attached website gives quite a good few references. (Christian baptism only by the way, as I dont really have experience of other faiths). http://www.religioustolerance.org/bap_bibl.htm
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@jaiho2009 (39141)
• Philippines
22 Jan 11
hello, It sounds ridiculous to people who knows the truth,but for those who believed in it,it's not ridiculous. We don't have to laughed at others beliefs,we are not perfect. Even people who knows the truth and read the Bible still commit sin. Sometimes those so-called righteous are the most sinners one. Not only child baptism is the basis of truth in a religion/belief. Religion/Bible is so complicated. " a lifetime is not enough to fully understand even a droplet of wisdom in God's ocean of knowledge "
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@rifnee (1713)
• Indonesia
26 Jan 11
Yup you're right, this is the truth in a religion, or maybe a tradition in a smaller environment. We do not discuss a sin, but more towards the freedom of a newly born human being, and it is absolutely right, I do not view this case applies to the baptism of my baby, but more likely to see other people doing infant baptism to others, for example: baptism in hospital, the baptism in the orphanage. Everyone has different views and I agree with that, I appreciate the difference. We just want to pour the contents of our minds without debate.
• Philippines
22 Jan 11
I agree to you very much. Baptism of infants is not biblical. I wonder why most religions does the same thing. In my religion, we are only being baptized after a test. There will be a test that will test our faith, recognition, and understanding to God and the bible. Infants cannot really show their faith, as they were just born without knowledge. There is no such thing as a passport to heaven. Our way to heaven is being decided by God; without any human activities involved. Hmm. That is my opinion because that is what I believe.
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• Philippines
22 Jan 11
And also the Bible says that Jesus was baptized in Jordan. The true baptism method is dipping or soaking the whole body in water, not just the forehead.
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@rifnee (1713)
• Indonesia
22 Jan 11
It's a very sad reality, as the development era, things like this still being done in the community.
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• Canada
25 Jan 11
I don't think it's true that most religions practice infant baptism. Most religions don't have baptism at all. An increasing number of Christians, and churches, are rejecting infant baptism in favor of adult baptism.
@urbandekay (18278)
22 Jan 11
Of course, those that condone it do not understand what Baptism is all the best urban
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@lisa0502 (1724)
• Canada
22 Jan 11
I think that I would have to agree with you. I think people should wait until their children can make an opinion on their beliefs. Too many people are baptised into a religion then when they get older they do not agree with it. Such as myself. But I have yet to find one that I agree with enough to belong to it.
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@nakula2009 (2325)
• Indonesia
24 Jan 11
Baptism of children is not appropriate if to faith, since the baby still does not understand what's what. Baptism is only valid if the concerned who would receive the baptism of penance power of Jesus and believe he will be saved by faith. When the baby Jesus in his dedication to God by his mother Mary in the Temple to the God Father of religious teachers and teachers there to bless the baby Jesus. Perhaps the Catholic Church once more practical thought gus only: Dedication plus baptism so that her baby is safe. I had an interesting experience as a father. My daughter is three, but her naughty little when they ask for forgiveness. Up to go around my wife and I made them. After praying at the idea came to submit to God in the Church for the dedication to God. Strangely, after returning from the dedication my children totally changed to be more obedient and not naughty before. So I think there is usefulness Child Dedication Service and There is a divine power that protects the child's antecedent submit to God by her parents ..
@madteaparty (2748)
• Japan
22 Jan 11
I agree that baptism in babies and small kids should stop. Christian parents nowadays baptize babies who can't even talk, like a way to force them into a religion when the kids still don't know what a religion is. It's a way do deceive the kids, and no religion should be forced in anyone, kid or adult. The person in particular should perform baptism only if he or she wants to and believes in that faith, and not forced by fanatic parents.
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• Indonesia
25 Jan 11
Historians of religion named August Neander writes about the first century Christians, "The practice infant baptism is not known at this time. Only in the period (at least certainly not earlier than) Irenæus [± ± 120/140- 200/203 M], there are signs of infant baptism, and the fact that infant baptism was first recognized as a tradition of the apostles in the third century is evidence who even oppose rather than support the recognition that infant baptism comes from the apostles. "-History of the Planting and Training of the Christian Church by the Apostles, 1864, pp. 162. infant baptism is no biblical basis.
• Indonesia
22 Jan 11
Baptism of children is not appropriate if to faith, since the baby still does not understand what's what. Baptism is only valid if the concerned who would receive the baptism of penance power of Jesus and believe he will be saved by faith. Perhaps the Church think it is more practical at the same time: Dedication plus baptism so that her baby is safe.
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• United States
23 Jan 11
Jesus commanded his Apostles to go out and BAPTIZE ALL. In those days it could have been many months before an Apostle got back around to a city to Baptize, so the families would ALL be baptized together. You say there isn't anything in scripture to support Baptizing kids, where does it support specifically NOT doing this? And my i ask, what side do you want to err on?
• Canada
25 Jan 11
Presumably the leaders of the local church carried out baptisms when the apostles weren't around. The Bible says that people should repent and be baptized, so you shouldn't be baptized if you're incapable of repenting. Under Jewish law men become adults at 13 and women at 12, this may have been taken as youngest age for baptism but it doesn't say.
• United States
26 Jan 11
First it was given as 2 commandments. REPENT. Be Baptized. Not be baptized ONLY if you repent. It wouldn't make sense would it if it was 1 commandment. IT would then defy the purpose of both. You are tactfully trying to support YOUR position. But it is just YOUR position for nowhere in scripture does it support YOUR position. Jesus says Suffer (come)unto me little children. And that in order to enter heaven one must do so with the faith of a little child. There is much more to support the TRUTH than YOUR position.
• United States
23 Jan 11
I agree simply because people outlived their religion.
@AJ1952Chats (2332)
• Anderson, Indiana
23 Jan 11
The way that this is thought of in my church (United Methodist) is more like a ritual of dedication. It's not a baptism in the sense of an individual being mature enough to make a decision to follow Jesus. This is a ritual for the parents, godparents, other family members, and the congregation. It has to do with our promise to guide this child spiritually.
• Quezon, Philippines
23 Jan 11
Even Jesus Christ was baptized when He was 30 years old. If we really are a follower of Jesus Christ, we should be doing every little detail that He did, may it be literal and more on the spiritual aspect. Churches that still practices child baptism are false churches, and their teachings are false also.
• United States
23 Jan 11
I'm a non-denominational Christian, so I follow faith by the Bible, not by a man-made church, and I have to say I agree with you. The very act of baptism is so special and like a "step" closer to Jesus. The reason people get baptized is to promise God that yes, they dedicate their lives to Him. If we read the Bible and see what's written about baptisms, we begin to realize that in society today, we're baptizing people as children so they never feel they "need" to be baptized as adults--when it truly matters! I was baptized as a child...yet I didn't fully understand what it meant for "Jesus to come into your heart" until I experienced it at nineteen. So...I made a promise as an infant to dedicate my life to Jesus, even if I didn't ask Him to be a part of it until I was nineteen? Please! I think it's a nice gesture that people baptize their kids...they mean well, yet they forget to reference the one source that started it all: the Bible. I'm not going to go toting Bible verses, and I don't blame the Christians who haven't read these parts of it yet...heck, I've only read a number of books of the Bible, not all of them! To baptize children simply isn't right if you follow the definition of baptism, so quite frankly, it just doesn't make sense.
• United States
23 Jan 11
Haven't you overlooked something? It seems to me the Bible speaks of bringing the newly born to the church to have them blessed by the Rabbi, as Jesus himself was. In Christian copy of that law there is baptism. It is supported in both Old and New Testaments.. Even were you correct in your silliness, let me ask a question..Having the opportunity to do otherwise would you insure only yourself and expect your children to wait until they could insure themselves to get coverage?
@gengeni (3308)
• Indonesia
24 Jan 11
How can parents teach children to be united with Christ without uniting through baptism ...? Humans are free to choose the food they consume, but when the baby was his mother who gave him to eat ... what is good according to the mother .... Baptism is not just a revenue stamp that replaces circumcision .... because Jews who remained uncircumcised Christians as Jewish culture and was baptized as well .... a number of tribes in Indonesia who have a culture of circumcision if so .... what is baptized Christians, there are two stamps an indelible ... not dong ....! Circumcision in the Jewish religion is different from circumcision within the meaning of Christianity ....( I mean ....)